If they were such god awful characters, they wouldn't be remembered and loved by millions of people, recreated in various media, or even have this very video.
The Ultimate Nerd Debate: Solved. Superman vs Goku, the definitive battle to the death
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He has a relativistic punch thing that's like 200 plus 7 zeroes the force needed, in megatons, to destoy Earth. And that's AFTER the reboot where he could do stuff like:
The real loser of the fight would, somehow, be krillin
You know, if his sneeze has enough power to destroy a solar system, it is probably traveling at such high speed that it traveled back in time and started that space plague.He has a relativistic punch thing that's like 200 plus 7 zeroes the force needed, in megatons, to destoy Earth. And that's AFTER the reboot where he could do stuff like:
Superman is a monster.
What we also need to realize is that that panel, more than showing off the incredible power of his sneeze AND speed to get to a distant solar system in instants, is showing us how Superman is fucking omniscient. Not only did he know instantly WHERE to find a "dead solar system" he KNEW it was dead and WHY. He's supposed to be in his 30s!!
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They ain't real. This is all hypothetical crap and who wins totally depends on who the authors are. I say the same thing about ESPN when they do the "Which historical NFL team is better?" debates. It's just...a case of utter futility.
And I think Superman is a terrible character as well, not because he's a bad guy or the his powers are so overpowered, but because the storytelling is always disjointed and uneven because he IS so powerful they continually have to shoehorn in ways to make the threat seems even remotely threatening.
It's like the Hulk, but the Hulk works because he's persecuted and gets screwed over all the time and gets into fight reluctantly.
They ain't real. This is all hypothetical crap and who wins totally depends on who the authors are. I say the same thing about ESPN when they do the "Which historical NFL team is better?" debates. It's just...a case of utter futility.
And I think Superman is a terrible character as well, not because he's a bad guy or the his powers are so overpowered, but because the storytelling is always disjointed and uneven because he IS so powerful they continually have to shoehorn in ways to make the threat seems even remotely threatening.
It's like the Hulk, but the Hulk works because he's persecuted and gets screwed over all the time and gets into fight reluctantly.
I think it's unfair to call Superman terrible character because most writers don't get how to write for overpowered gods. Read All Star Superman or Superman For All Seasons and tell me that's the character's fault.
And yeah, the point of DEATH BATTLE! is to solve these nerd debates in a fun, funny way.. while still scouring thoroughly over the character's history and writing. There are rules, no preparation, removing of morality objections on killing (but not other character traits) etc. It's just a fun video. (that ultimately proves Superman would kick Goku's ass, period, cough)
Maybe some of you guys would me more inclined to watch the long-ass thing if you knew one of the "hosts" and creators is It'sJustSomeRandomGuy, from "Hi I'm a Marvel.. and I'm a DC" YouTube fame.
I really wish people would lay off calling Superman a bad character or that he sucks, yadda yadda yadda. You don't see me going on and on about one of your favourite characters and saying how much they suck, do you? In fact, I will rarely - if ever - say that any particular character sucks. The character doesn't suck. The writer presenting the character may not be good at it.
Just because YOU don't like them doesn't mean they suck.
Just because YOU don't like them doesn't mean they suck.
I get where you're coming from, dude, but I don't think you should take it personally either. If people can debate things like Jesus' existence respectfully why would you get your feathers ruffled about someone not liking your favorite character?
He's fallen victim to bad writing, just like every character has. Buy he has the misfortune of being THE super hero, the big one, numero uno, and for that he gets much more exposure, making the cases of bad writing more obvious and easy to criticize. He is the United States* of comics, of course some people are going to hate him.
*except with less waterboarding
Because they're just throwing out statements like "he sucks" or "he's too powerful."
I could, for example, say I don't like Batman because all he sucks or because he's "perfect" because he's prepared for anything. I could also say I don't like the character because really, he's just a scared little boy lashing out at the world with his toys.
FYI: I do actually like Batman. I own many of his comics. But I'll take the Boy Scout from Krypton over the psychologically damaged nut in the bat suit any day.
I could, for example, say I don't like Batman because all he sucks or because he's "perfect" because he's prepared for anything. I could also say I don't like the character because really, he's just a scared little boy lashing out at the world with his toys.
FYI: I do actually like Batman. I own many of his comics. But I'll take the Boy Scout from Krypton over the psychologically damaged nut in the bat suit any day.
It also has MasakoX from Dragonball Z Abridged, who voices Goku (among others). They also got the a few of the others from that series.
Yes, you certainly can, and I wouldn't see why even the most devoted Batman fan would get offended cause YOU don't like him. Why is it so personal for you? Dude, it's not your dad we're dissing. The character is important to you for very valid personal reasons, no one can touch those.
You think Supes would mind? He'd LAUGH at their faces. Do so too.
... Or is it?
Oh, I'm not really taking it personally. It just bugs me that whenever the topic of Supes comes up that all some can say is that he sucks or he's too powerful or unrelatable when that can't be any further from the truth. Anyone who thinks Superman's even all about the powers doesn't get the character.
Well, he does kinda. He has whatever bat gadget he needs, he could do more good for Gotham with his money than his fist, and he puts children in harms way by dressing them up and having them fight the joker.
OH SHIT, WHAT DID YOU DO!? WHY WOULD SAY THAT?!
Well, this certainly went to a weird place in the course of two pages. I'll have to watch the video later, but I do remember Wizard Magazine had this What If a looooooooong time ago. Found a scan of it.
Can we all just agree the dudes from DEATH BATTLE! did an incredible job with this video? Look at the all the other DEATH BATTLES!, they're 8min long and use 2-D graphics for the fight. You can tell the production value and time devoted for this was increased exponentially, they were thorough as hell.
They even had that magic stick think Goku uses hurt Superman cause it's magic. I HAD'NT EVEN THOUGHT OF THAT. I was truly impressed, and as far as I'm concerned the debate has been completely and utterly put to rest.
They even had that magic stick think Goku uses hurt Superman cause it's magic. I HAD'NT EVEN THOUGHT OF THAT. I was truly impressed, and as far as I'm concerned the debate has been completely and utterly put to rest.
Oh yeah, getting back on topic, the video itself was really cool. I kinda wish they skipped the first 15 minutes or so, going through each of the character's stats. Those are already available to view separately and were released a week or so ago.
Also, while the fight itself was fun and inventive, it wasn't really well written. I say this mostly because there was nothing really organic to the fight, but more like a shopping list someone was checking off as they went along. "Magic? Check. Kryptonite? Check. Super Saiyan forms 1-4? Check."
Also, while the fight itself was fun and inventive, it wasn't really well written. I say this mostly because there was nothing really organic to the fight, but more like a shopping list someone was checking off as they went along. "Magic? Check. Kryptonite? Check. Super Saiyan forms 1-4? Check."
I hadn't seen any of it, so I think those 15 minutes were crucial.. but I also loved the battle, I think they made a great job of showing each characters' traits (besides the not killing, of course), and they would have NOT been able to get away without that checklist, cause you KNOW nerds would jump on ANY thing they missed and point out what's why their favorite character lost. They had to show everything.
Besides, the fight is really just for fun, the battle's result is decided before.
One of the rules of DEATH BATTLE! is they remove any moral objections to killing.. then it wouldn't be DEATH BATTLE! Besides, the battle's conclusion is irrelevant to the setting, they did go off after a while to uninhabited places.
(can you tell I love to write the name like that? DEATH BATTLE!)
OK, you guys convinced me to watch the video. Utter Bull Shit, this is no death match Goku refused to kill Supes when he had the chance. If the gloves were supposed to be off, then leave the Kryptonite out of the fight.
Did you watch the long explanation on how Goku has a big weakness in WANTING to have his rival be at his strongest, always? They...addressed that directly. If he'd known Superman's powers were INCREASED by a blue sun, he'd taken him to a blue sun. The battle is to the death, they remove moral qualms about killing, they don't change other traits like Goku's philosophy of actually fighting HIMSELF and his own limits.
They also could have had Superman fight dirty and lobotomize him while he wasn't even Super Saiyan 1. But that's not what Superman is about either.
So Goku did not fight to win. Supes did. Goku was fighting for fun and Supes kills the planet... Their rules need more stabilizing.
Or let Freiza power up to his highest power. Well, at least he did it for TWO crust-filled pizzas. According to Dragonball Z Abridged, anyway. Which is the only DBZ canon now, in my mind.
...deathmatch, do what you can to win. Like I said leave out the Kryptonite, and the magic pole, then they can continue the love of Supes.
Your logic is appalling in it's utter nonexistence. Read the rules, the only character traits removed are the objections to killing, not the strategies they'd use to get it. Goku would have killed Superman, he wasn't doing it for "fun", he just wouldn't have done it if he didn't felt it was against Superman's very best.
I realize you're just following me around and disagreeing with everything I say anyway, so I'll just ignore you and get on with it.
I realize you're just following me around and disagreeing with everything I say anyway, so I'll just ignore you and get on with it.
Uh, look in the mirror. Who started with the X barrage? And disagreeing with every thing I say.
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