[Webcomic] PVP Discussion
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So, I've casually followed PvP off and on over the last 10 years. Never posted on any forums, but I'm laughing enough at recent developments that I'll post now:
1.) Table Titans is the worst shit ever.
- Seriously. How consumed is Kurtz by his ego that he thinks that a comic like TT is going to have any success at all? Abysmally slow update time, combined with a story that just isn't compelling at all. It's honestly almost jerkcity.com levels of bad - except no one tries to make a primary living off jerkcity.
2.) Mary Cagle might have stockholm syndrome.
-Reading this thread really hammers home that point. Kurtz somehow roped in someone that has way more talent than him, and has her stuck doing labor intensive work on projects that suck (under the guise of being a mentor). No doubt her compensation for those projects is nil compared to anything he himself gets out of it. Even from afar, I feel like anyone who can reasonably evaluate talent has to feel very comfortable watching/hearing about their setup. He's definitely holding her back and exploiting her.
3.) The comic never recovered from the idiotic decision to get away from video game based content.
-Comics like penny-arcade (and to a lesser extent cad) were started in the same period PvP was and hit massive success. PvP was on the same path of success by being in that same group, and then inexplicably decided to switch to a bad office gag strip.
4.) Updating the strip on time.
- When your primary means of supporting yourself is a web comic, how do you manage to not keep a buffer several weeks long? A few days long? What the fuck?
1.) Table Titans is the worst shit ever.
- Seriously. How consumed is Kurtz by his ego that he thinks that a comic like TT is going to have any success at all? Abysmally slow update time, combined with a story that just isn't compelling at all. It's honestly almost jerkcity.com levels of bad - except no one tries to make a primary living off jerkcity.
2.) Mary Cagle might have stockholm syndrome.
-Reading this thread really hammers home that point. Kurtz somehow roped in someone that has way more talent than him, and has her stuck doing labor intensive work on projects that suck (under the guise of being a mentor). No doubt her compensation for those projects is nil compared to anything he himself gets out of it. Even from afar, I feel like anyone who can reasonably evaluate talent has to feel very comfortable watching/hearing about their setup. He's definitely holding her back and exploiting her.
3.) The comic never recovered from the idiotic decision to get away from video game based content.
-Comics like penny-arcade (and to a lesser extent cad) were started in the same period PvP was and hit massive success. PvP was on the same path of success by being in that same group, and then inexplicably decided to switch to a bad office gag strip.
4.) Updating the strip on time.
- When your primary means of supporting yourself is a web comic, how do you manage to not keep a buffer several weeks long? A few days long? What the fuck?
I agree, granted Mary Cagle's Kiwi Blitz isn't the best thing in the world, its still great and LEAGUES above what PvP is now. Of course almost ANY webcomic is leagues above PvP but its still a great comic.
GasBandit
Staff member
Welcome to the fold, new guy.
He's referring to the DnD stories that users submit I believe. Those are updated five days a week.
Also: (from the new readers section of TT)
"Table Titans - The online comic that started it all! Every Tuesday & Thursday"
Started it all?
Isn't that sort of statement reserved for like.. Things that have been around a while? ...And started other things?
That explains so much...
figmentPez
Staff member
Not exactly a handicap. I mean, collectively Valve software can't count to three, and look how well they're doing.
Biggest problem with this storyline is that it was a weak premise to begin with, and it's essentially been hammering the same punchline repeatedly for the last week and a half. Making one joke into a multi-strip story arc is just awful writing.
Comics can either do in depth story arcs with occasional punchlines (see: the guest arc that just finished), or they can do once a day gags with new material each day. In this arc, PvP somehow managed to combine the very worst of both styles.
Comics can either do in depth story arcs with occasional punchlines (see: the guest arc that just finished), or they can do once a day gags with new material each day. In this arc, PvP somehow managed to combine the very worst of both styles.
Following Gabe and Tycho somewhere else like an overenthusiastic puppy? Sure it does.Now now, doesn't that sound like the Tastemaker...
So once again Lucille is the fucking voice of reason, even though that role used to be covered by Jade and she is a pointless character.
Zappit
Staff member
Dude, when you're a TRUE tastemaker, you're not even into it when you start it.Now now, doesn't that sound like the Tastemaker...
Mate, when you are a TRUE tastemaker you don't strut around pronouncing it loudly.
figmentPez
Staff member
Good, we can love her on the way to the death camps.[DOUBLEPOST=1360965449][/DOUBLEPOST]I guess PvP now runs Tuesday through Thursday.
Dave
Staff member
Not death camps, just neutering facilities.
Same thing right?
GasBandit
Staff member
I don't see how this site makes enough money to support him any more. Really.
I will NEVER understand how someone so bad at doing his job can still be considered one of the top comics on the web. I know he's getting by on his relationship with Gabe and Tycho, but COME ON GUYS. Cut the dead weight loose, snatch up his servant "protege" while you can, and promote HER.
Dave
Staff member
http://www.pvponline.com/comic/2013/02/15/to-catch-the-predator
I know hotlinking is bad and as soon as he gets his site fixed I'll change this...but his url is borked. Here's today's.
edit: He fixed it.
I know hotlinking is bad and as soon as he gets his site fixed I'll change this...but his url is borked. Here's today's.
edit: He fixed it.
That predator joke was just okay. JUST okay.
figmentPez
Staff member
Maybe I'm overanalyzing it, but it didn't make sense. Sexual predators on the internet are too much a part of pop culture for Brent and Francis to be unaware of them. They both know Pedobear and Chris Hanson jokes. So, all that's left is them messing with Cole by pretending to not know what he's talking about, and there's not enough set-up for that to work for me.