GasBandit
Staff member
The one bright spot in this molasses-in-january episode.
One less whore to monologue at. So now littlefinger has to monologue at a eunuch.
North_Ranger
Staff member
Wow... That was brutal.
I still don't understand why people had such a bug up their arse about her, though. Okay, she wasn't in the books, but she was a decent way for the more important characters to discuss various plot points instead of just yammering to themselves - like Grand Maester Pycelle did in the first season. Honestly, she wasn't that bad of a character.
I still don't understand why people had such a bug up their arse about her, though. Okay, she wasn't in the books, but she was a decent way for the more important characters to discuss various plot points instead of just yammering to themselves - like Grand Maester Pycelle did in the first season. Honestly, she wasn't that bad of a character.
I caught that as well. French sleeves, wut?[DOUBLEPOST=1367883384][/DOUBLEPOST]
She took TV screen time. She wasn't essential to the plot.
I actually thought about it and she wasn't that bad. She was a named character who was a whore and in scenes like when Cersie had her beaten it was a more powerful scene than if it was somebody we didn't know or when the gold cloaks killed the baby. She was a bit of the connection to that scene.
She wasn't a great character and there was probably too much effort and time used up trying to make us care about her but with the show's hatred of adding extra characters she did a passable job.
I disagree.
There are specific characters have have been taken out of the book to accommodate her screen time and she's was using the story parts of several of them to be a sort of bridge. It's not like she's doing a great performance or the character was surprisingly interesting, she was plain, UN-interesting and many other characters suffered from it.
IMHO, I would have like to have seen Atayaya and so forth as the books are full of colorful with many memorable minor characters that could have used some screen time.
Heck, even some major characters could have used some screen-time but Ros was involved in a 3 to 5 minutes per episode and when HBO provides us with short season of 10 hours to view or so, those minutes add up.
Anyways, I'm happy she's dead.
There are specific characters have have been taken out of the book to accommodate her screen time and she's was using the story parts of several of them to be a sort of bridge. It's not like she's doing a great performance or the character was surprisingly interesting, she was plain, UN-interesting and many other characters suffered from it.
IMHO, I would have like to have seen Atayaya and so forth as the books are full of colorful with many memorable minor characters that could have used some screen time.
Heck, even some major characters could have used some screen-time but Ros was involved in a 3 to 5 minutes per episode and when HBO provides us with short season of 10 hours to view or so, those minutes add up.
Anyways, I'm happy she's dead.
I also don't like the whole "exposit to whores" thing the show had use of her for. I hope that aspect of the show dies with her.
Dave
Staff member
And wasn't Joffrey detestable enough on his own without them trying to make him look like a serial killer? Why didn't they just show him ordering his guards to beat the crap out of Sansa like the books? He'd still be hated, but for reasons that were actually in the book, not made up for HBO.
Look like a serial killer?
It's clearly said in the books that he's killed many people over time - Arya's friend in the marsh, Ned, obviously, Sansa's chambermaid, civilians who made jokes about him,... I haven't seen the episodes yet, so can't comment what he did in the show, but he's plenty of a serial killer in the books too
Ros owns, cool misogyny though ITT
Yeah the books were overflowing with cool minor characters but the show isn't. They have been merciless in cutting out minor characters from the books. I mean look at the bloody mummers just a group of guys with no real distinction from the rest of the troops. Robert's bastard that they took from Storm's end was instead replaced with Gendrydespite the insanity that makes for the timetable.
It's part of the conversion process of making a book which is overflowing with awesome minor characters into a TV show with only so much screen time available. You eliminate some characters and condense others. Roz was a character who came out of it and any screen time "wasted" on her would have been taken up building up another minor character that they would then throw away. Course I had hoped that the screenwriters were planning something bigger for her and her arc than this.
Ros stood in for many many minor characters, or provided a sounding board for what would otherwise be internal monologue for a lot of major characters. Now that there ARE a lot more minor characters and lot less general exposition (for a generally more action-packed season), her character isn't super-necessary other than to really nail home what assholes Joffrey and Littlefinger can be.
Yeah, that's the reason.
North_Ranger
Staff member
But neither did she suck. I'm by no means saying she was a great character; I just don't particularly understand the amount of hate she gets. Except that some people apparently get mad at women who show their tits.
....which begs the question why they bother watching anything made by HBO
....which begs the question why they bother watching anything made by HBO
GasBandit
Staff member
I didn't like her because she was manufactured from whole cloth and, as Jay said, took up screen time that could have been devoted to other characters (or used to include characters that were in the book but omitted).
And I'm saying that as a guy who has a well known "thing" for redheads.
And I'm saying that as a guy who has a well known "thing" for redheads.
I don't understand why it's so bad that some characters were not transferred from the book, and what's so bad about a character made for the show. If you think the character is poorly constructed, I get that. But it sounds like you just object to the mere notion that a character be made for the show.
GasBandit
Staff member
It's the same reason I didn't like the Warg Rider scene, or their attempt to fudge a love interest between Aragorn and Eowyn in Two Towers. When you're trying to translate a story from one medium to another, I can forgive leaving something out because time is a consideration. I can forgive altering something to a degree because it works better in the medium. But what I don't like is those in charge of the transference deciding to add in something because they think it'd be better to have XYZ in the story. That's where I draw the line. It's a short step from Roz to Mary Sue.
In the books though, the one Cersei had beaten and the prostitute with the baby DID have names and were established characters and did have established relations with Tyrion.
and Ros has an established relationship with Tyrion
My point wasn't that she didn't, but rather the "Because she has a name and established character she's the better choice to use for those scenes" is an argument that doesn't make sense.
Makes perfect sense if you are a cable television show producer.
I think you missed my point entirely.
The show's writers have been Merciless in cutting out characters.
There are no bloody Mummers, there is no Robert Bastard in Storm's End there is no crippled Tyrell brother, no Davos's sons no Dolouros Ed and no Frey that traveled with Brianne and Jaime.
Because characters need backstory which requires screen time. Therefore The mummers are just Bolton troops, the crippled brother is done away with entirely and Brianne and Jaime travel alone. Adding in the whore for Cersie to beat would require more screen time, adding in a madam to scream as the gold cloaks killed the baby would require screen time.
It's not a perfect exchange and personally I would have rathered the characters in the books but in the end Roz wasn't a bad use of screen time. Certainly not the horrible character that most seem to think she is.
