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E3 2013 - Official Thread
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With FF XV (which I hope we finally see), Kingdom Hearts 3, huge support for indie developers, Grand Theft Auto V, and a huge double deuce to Microsoft, Sony has officially won this generation.
It does kinda suck that you'll have to pay to play online, but the fact that they're adding it in with their PS Plus, I have no problem with that. I doubt many will complain with all the free games and discounts they'll be getting.
It does kinda suck that you'll have to pay to play online, but the fact that they're adding it in with their PS Plus, I have no problem with that. I doubt many will complain with all the free games and discounts they'll be getting.
One of my favorite pics to come out of E3 so far:
ThatNickGuy - The pay-to-play online is like $5 a month though right? That's what I read?
ThatNickGuy - The pay-to-play online is like $5 a month though right? That's what I read?
Same as XBL Gold and what PS+ is now, 60 bucks a year.[DOUBLEPOST=1370920950][/DOUBLEPOST]
Well, the last two anyway, Witcher 3 and UNF UNF UNF Watch_Dogs UNF UNF UNF.One of my favorite pics to come out of E3 so far:
ThatNickGuy - The pay-to-play online is like $5 a month though right? That's what I read?
Isn't Plus $50 right now? So it'll be $10/year more, but still with free triple A titles about once a month. Still don't see anything to complain about there.
Also tons of great indie games offered up for free on +.
So, what's your thoughts on the design of the console itself. I kind of wish it was square.
The part that shocks me is how small it is compared to the One. It's got comparable architecture inside, they use a lot of the same components. Why is the One such a monstrosity? Hopefully it's more compact size won't make for heat issues.
The part that shocks me is how small it is compared to the One. It's got comparable architecture inside, they use a lot of the same components. Why is the One such a monstrosity? Hopefully it's more compact size won't make for heat issues.
Welp.. XBOX DONE[DOUBLEPOST=1370921487][/DOUBLEPOST]
Looks sleek. I like it. Greatest controller ever. Looks perfectly fine. No Spycam looking at me sleep. That's a positive thing, I think.
One word, Italics.So, what's your thoughts on the design of the console itself. I kind of wish it was square.
Looks sleek. I like it. Greatest controller ever. Looks perfectly fine. No Spycam looking at me sleep. That's a positive thing, I think.
Yup. And if you already have Plus, it carries over. So any PS1 games you got for free, they'll work. I assume that's not the same for the ones I bought on PSN, like anything from Telltale or Double Fine or other games like Limbo won't carry over. That's still one of the things holding me back from getting a PS4.
Regarding this issue. I've seen this multiple times about all the new consoles. Quite frankly, I have no idea how people thought that their games would port over to the next generation console at all. Unlike PCs, which have a common coding architecture, each console has it's own coding language that it works in, and that developers (Note, that's DEVELOPERS) would have to completely re-code a game to work on a new system. There should be no expectations for a developer to go back and re-code a game for backwards compatibility when it means zero profit for them.
Also, regarding backwards compatibility in general. Why do people suddenly expect this after one generation of consoles had it? I don't seem to recall bitching about my SNES being unable to play NES games.
They said it was a new episode, so I'm assuming it's like a one-episode sequel to the first one.
It's an in-between single episode.
It says at the end of the video that it's DLC for season one.
I guess it's just that they're digital copies that I can't carry over. At least with Steam, I can carry those over from PC to PC. I'm not even remotely an expert on computer mechanics or hardware or how it works, so I honestly don't understand how or why there's something hampering them being ported from PS3 to PS4.
But it really comes down to the digital rights issue. I bought those games. But now the only way I can play them is on my PS3. And honestly, I had planned on trading my PS3 to afford to get a PS4 because I have limited funds when it comes to this sort of thing. The fact that I won't be able to do anything with those digital games is the sort of thing that I've been worried about when it comes to digital rights.
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And Wikipedia is already being changed to reflect the news:
But a lot of those indie games were also ported to the PC. In fact, the vast majority have been. Could it not be possible, then, to port them from PC to PS4?
Basically this. The only way we're gonna see PS3 ports is as remakes later on down the line, mainly because of how hard it is to program for and because of the chips architecture. They would literally need to stick the chip in the PS4 to do it right now and that would add an easy $100 to the price.
That's probably how it's going to happen. You might see a bunch of PC to PS4 (and 360 to PS4 ports because the 360 version is basically a PC version specced for the 360).
The underlying physical hardware may be much the same, but the OS and APIs between the game and the hardware are going to be so different that it isn't just a matter of recompiling it, it's just as much a porting effort for go from windowsX86 to PS4X86 as it was to go from cell to x86. You really have to rewrite the game engine to fit the different APIs.
Think of everything as layers. You have the game on top, the OS with it's API's in the middle, and the hardware on the bottom. Change any of the three layers, and you have to port the game, it's not just a recompile and tweak.
Maybe I'm confusing something here, but how is this a digital rights issue? You bought a PS3 game for us on the PS3. You say the only way you can play them is on your PS3 and I see nothing wrong with being forced to play a game on the system it was designed for. It is nice and certainly a good move for system developers to include backwards compatibility, but I don't see it as a rights issue.
That's true, I guess. Maybe it was just wishful thinking.
I guess I was just hoping those games would carry over. And who knows, maybe they will eventually. Maybe we'll see a newer version of Journey or something.
My PS2 is still hooked up for just that reason.
See, the only reason that the first disk based systems were able to allow backwards compatibility is because the games from the PS1 and xbox could basically be emulated on a graphing calculator. The next generation, however, was a huge leap forward in graphics, and had to use new APIs and architectures. As I said previously, the ps1-ps2 era were really the first time that backwards compatibility even existed. It was a nice bonus, but only possible due to the downright archaic structure of the previous system and the new use of DVDs as a storage medium for games.
As for the digital rights issue, it was stated already, but it bears repeating. Those games were purchased for use on a specific console. Asking developers to go back and recode all those games is like asking a developer to go back and code Arkham City for Windows 98
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xboxdone.com currently redirects to a PS4 on Amazon.
I still don't like the split directional pad on PS controllers. It contributed to me selling my PS1 and skipping the PS2. Fortunately, my PS3 games make more use of the dual analog sticks (and using the split pad as another set of action buttons, if used at all), so hopefully for me that carries over into PS4 games.
Edit to add: I mean I hated using the split button directional pad to move my character. I always had trouble moving diagonally, having to hold down two buttons instead of using the inner corner of a plus sign (like on Nintendo controllers).
Edit to add: I mean I hated using the split button directional pad to move my character. I always had trouble moving diagonally, having to hold down two buttons instead of using the inner corner of a plus sign (like on Nintendo controllers).
That analogy doesn't work because Arkham City had never been previously played on Windows 98. It'd be more like asking LucasArts to code Grim Fandango to work on current generation PCs.
The point, is that it's a completely different OS. You'd be daft to expect a developer to recode a game from the ground up and not get paid for it.
The conclusion being someone needs to invent the equivalent of Dosbox for Playstation.
It exists, that's why you can play all your PS1 games on all the PS systems. A PS1 emulator can be run at no cost or effort.
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