I disagree with some of the points he made, and remain unconvinced. Honestly, it's like like they've given up on us gamers. I feel quite let down with the whole runaround they've given us.
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GasBandit
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And the wails of buyer's remorse could be heard as far as Alpha Tucanae.
Yep. Frank that game sold solely on name. As the Xbox will. Unlike Diablo 3, the Xbone will be returnable for a different system (PS4).
Considering they've actually admitted that DIII sales were only "okay" but didn't get beyond that (yes, one can argue that, as per usual, their expectations were unrealistic), I'd say they felt a sting. More-over, the RMAH is suffering because there's less people playing DIII now than there were playing DII just before DIII release. That's saying something.
Xbox One Launch Day edition is selling well, but the PS4 has the rest of the top ten dominated and it's moving up in the rankings. You don't see a One game until you hit #25 and then the rest of the One launch titles are doing worse than the PS4 camera. This does not bode well for Microsoft.
Everyone I know got D3 for free from being a WoW subscriber.
I'm sure it still sold a fuckton on name alone, though.
Necronic
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For now, but realistically that is probably going away. XBone is just the first step in that. Not a well managed step, mind you, but its a step. I don't see why they shouldn't look to make that step in this generation of consoles considering that the next gen may be another decade away, which is too long imho.
While I don't think that they executed the delivery of this system well, I don't think that the problems raised are that significant really, and most of this backlash seems like the same old tired gamer hyperbole. People are literally arguing that MS is going to use the Kinnect to spy into your house for the government. Yeah.
While I don't think that they executed the delivery of this system well, I don't think that the problems raised are that significant really, and most of this backlash seems like the same old tired gamer hyperbole. People are literally arguing that MS is going to use the Kinnect to spy into your house for the government. Yeah.
I work for a large Telco in B.C. and I've been accused a number of times of being sent by the police to spy on customers. I even had a customer try to convince me that our TV boxes had cameras in them so we could spy remotely.
In regards to the XBone, I don't think most people with high speed internet have enough upstream bandwidth to spy. I know that it takes ~5.5Mbps for a HD stream on our system with mp4 compression. Most of our customers only get ~3 upstream, kinda hard to spy without bandwidth.
In regards to the XBone, I don't think most people with high speed internet have enough upstream bandwidth to spy. I know that it takes ~5.5Mbps for a HD stream on our system with mp4 compression. Most of our customers only get ~3 upstream, kinda hard to spy without bandwidth.
The better question is, if they had the ability to spy, why would they bog down the whole thing by having it stream in HD? Our lives are not a netflix sitcome. A high resolution security camera can easily stream from a network to a 3g phone, with enough data to know who the person is, what they are doing, etc... If they did spy on us using the camera is would likely do such in a lower resolution format.
I think the whole "They're going to be spying on us!" anger drowns out some other important issues. As said before, it's an easy fix. Turn it around or put a cap on the camera.
What I wonder about it how they'll handle accounts that have been hacked, and all the games sold off. Or someone getting their account banned. This won't affect just one game, but all of them. A better system would be to authorize it once and call it good, like windows or office. If you do want to sell a game, it can connect and de-authorize your local game.
What I wonder about it how they'll handle accounts that have been hacked, and all the games sold off. Or someone getting their account banned. This won't affect just one game, but all of them. A better system would be to authorize it once and call it good, like windows or office. If you do want to sell a game, it can connect and de-authorize your local game.
I still think it's stupid that we even have to do that. Even then, it does not stop the fact it keeps listening for sounds. I know "Oh but your phone does this too!", but frankly, I never liked that either, even more now with the whole NSA scandal that hit the news for awhile now.
It's why I use apps to disable most of the internal ability for my phone to listen in, and even that I think is frankly stupid that I even have to do that.
In the end though they decided I am not the type of person they want to sell towards, that is their choice. I know many others like me that will be turned off by the whole "idea" of possible invasion, more then the actuality of it. All the other crap they are doing ain't helping either.
The problem is that for it to work right, it has to always listen. The whole point of the interface is that you don't need to ever touch the console if you don't want to. Like you said though, if you're going through the trouble to disable all that stuff on your other devices, this won't be for you no matter what. It's what is supposed to set this console apart from all the others.
I just think it's setting it apart in the wrong direction. Thus one of the reasons it's getting panned so heavily. They already have the monopoly on the Kinect system in general, so why make it so having the camera attached is required to even use the thing? Allow us to unplug it when we wish to use the general interface, and this wouldn't be a problem.
Before I was laid off, my employer had security cameras installed in the store that streamed real time, high definition video back to the home office in real time, so they could watch the stores at all times (as well as call and harass any employee that didn't look like they were working hard enough). It bogged down the network so much that it made our jobs near impossible, as all of the software we used was also streamed from a main server.
Apparently the pages have been blown to hell thanks to server loads but it looks like MS is redacting most/all the DRM bullshit.
Here's a pastebin of the giantbomb article: http://pastebin.com/17PG0dEf
Supposedly MS made it official but the page is currently dead: http://news.xbox.com/2013/05/qa
Here's a pastebin of the giantbomb article: http://pastebin.com/17PG0dEf
Supposedly MS made it official but the page is currently dead: http://news.xbox.com/2013/05/qa
GasBandit
Staff member
I think you meant retracting, not redacting? To redact something would be to censor or block out some information.
More like Xbox 180, am I right?
Yeah, retracting.
GasBandit
Staff member
Well, good for them. I am actually a little surprised... I kind of expected them to ride that pony all the way off the cliff, because nobody could make the kind of design decisions they had made unless they intentionally wanted their console to bomb.
Now they just need to announce two versions... one 100 dollars cheaper that has no kinect.
Now they just need to announce two versions... one 100 dollars cheaper that has no kinect.
I'm guessing it's to push adoption of the motion and voice tech. Requiring it to always be attached will get more people to at least try it, and developers know they can build their games around the idea that every unit will have it attached. It looks like you can now leave the xbox unplugged from the internet now to ensure nothings being sent.[DOUBLEPOST=1371677291][/DOUBLEPOST]
I have a feeling they thought they'd get backed up by the publishers. They probably saw the backlash and didn't want to touch it with a 10 ft pole. If the publishers won't back them, there's no reason to keep it in.
I really don't get why they didn't just go for a one time authentication.
They did, now.
I meant for every game install, like most PC software is. They could have offered discs that don't need to be authenticated to rental companies at a jacked up price.
I feel for the kids who don't want their younger siblings peeking into their room and going "Xbox off". My younger siblings would have done that.
Oh man I totally would have done that!
That's your fault for having such a horrible family!
We'll see how they handle it. From the sounds of it it will be able to detect who is actually playing the game, and it may be able to weed out voices that are different from that person. We won't know how good those controls are until it reviewers get their hands on it or it's released.
I really don't think the technology has been perfected to that level. In fact, a number of the things Microsoft is putting into the Kinect part of this are experimental. I know you don't get anywhere without trying new things ... but they can try them on someone else. I'm not buying.