[Comics] DC's new 52 (Comics; Nick, help!)

Covar

Covar

As a fan of the Legion of Super-Heroes I find this whole frustration over wanting Batman Beyond to be the definitive future of DC amusing. As a Batman fan who reads multiple books and likes the Bat-family I find it insulting.
 
Espy

Espy

Regarding the Tim Drake thing: A Lonely Place of Dying is still one of my favorite Batman arcs. Tim Drake was awesome.
 
Espy

Espy

Not sure if you are responding to my last post Bowie, but A Lonely Place of Dying was Tim's origin story back in the early nineties. Totally worth picking up if you are into Tim Drake. Plus Jim Aparo!
 
Covar

Covar

Bowielee said:
I do have to admit that I haven't really read any of the Bat Family books since Battle for the Cowl.
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N52 Nightwing is surprisingly good. The whole traveling with Haley Circus around the country solving crimes bad tv premise that they were suggesting was the book, was really just an arc. Not so much solving crimes as solving a particular crime. That involved the circus. The books been generally solid, and Kyle Higgins has a good handle on writing Dick.[DOUBLEPOST=1377610685,1377610411][/DOUBLEPOST]
Espy said:
Not sure if you are responding to my last post Bowie, but A Lonely Place of Dying was Tim's origin story back in the early nineties. Totally worth picking up if you are into Tim Drake. Plus Jim Aparo!
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You're getting a bonus like for Jim Aparo.

A Lonely Place of Dying tends to get bundled in trades with Death in the Family, and I believe that is the case with the current Death in the Family trade in print.
 
Bowielee

Bowielee

Espy said:
Not sure if you are responding to my last post Bowie, but A Lonely Place of Dying was Tim's origin story back in the early nineties. Totally worth picking up if you are into Tim Drake. Plus Jim Aparo!
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I was responding to Covar's post. I read the Batman related books pretty heavily in that era.
 
Espy

Espy

Gotcha.[DOUBLEPOST=1377619872,1377619780][/DOUBLEPOST]
Covar said:
N52 Nightwing is surprisingly good. The whole traveling with Haley Circus around the country solving crimes bad tv premise that they were suggesting was the book, was really just an arc. Not so much solving crimes as solving a particular crime. That involved the circus. The books been generally solid, and Kyle Higgins has a good handle on writing Dick.[DOUBLEPOST=1377610685,1377610411][/DOUBLEPOST]
You're getting a bonus like for Jim Aparo.

A Lonely Place of Dying tends to get bundled in trades with Death in the Family, and I believe that is the case with the current Death in the Family trade in print.
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Oh, I only have them as separate trades. You know, the funny thing about Jim Aparo, his art... it's not my favorite style, his men all kind of look the same and everyone looks rigid but... for some reason... I'm just drawn to anything he does. Even when those little details bug me he just... I dunno, he just DOES comic book art. And it's perfect.
 
ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

It's apparently more about the character getting married than about her being gay and married. Of course, that doesn't help at all and certainly makes for a PR nightmare for DC.

This editorial regime in both companies has gotten worse over the years, even before the new 52. Before, editors were quality control, making sure that Superman doesn't purposely blow up an orphanage or something. Now, they're telling the writers what to write, even when a crossover isn't involved. Creative freedom for creative teams in the two big companies is a thing of the past.
 
Covar

Covar

Considering Batwoman's just a publicity stunt I'm honestly surprised that they didn't want her to have a wedding.
 
ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Covar said:
Considering Batwoman's just a publicity stunt I'm honestly surprised that they didn't want her to have a wedding.
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Ehhhh, she might have started as a publicity stunt (due to how DC's PR department promoted her), but when the character was actually introduced, she was a really great, well-rounded character. You can thank Greg Rucka for that, who has a history of writing really great, fleshed out women characters.
 
Covar

Covar

She was nothing but terrible in 52, and I'd bother to read her book if she was actually a part of the Bat Family.
 
ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Covar said:
She was nothing but terrible in 52, and I'd actually care to read her book if she was actually a part of the Bat Family.
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Wow, then you're really missing out. Her solo book is fantastic. And honestly, she has really, really loose ties with the Bat Family. She's not a part of crossovers and her solo book rarely has any appearances with the rest of the Bat Family.

....which might be part of why editorial is trying to force off the current creative team.
 
figmentPez

figmentPez

Staff member
So, DC is holding a contest Break Into Comics With Harley Quinn. One of the images required to be drawn for entry is:

PANEL 4
Harley sitting naked in a bathtub with toasters, blow dryers, blenders, appliances all dangling above the bathtub and she has a cord that will release them all. We are watching the moment before the inevitable death. Her expression is one of “oh well, guess that’s it for me” and she has resigned herself to the moment that is going to happen.
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Harley Quinn, nude and about to commit suicide.

I don't have any words for how messed up this is.
 
Bowielee

Bowielee

What the hell DC... what... the... hell...

I'm glad my interest in DC comics is only marginal at best. Even more so since the New 52.[DOUBLEPOST=1378522078,1378521897][/DOUBLEPOST]
Covar said:
She was nothing but terrible in 52, and I'd bother to read her book if she was actually a part of the Bat Family.
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Are you sure you don't mean Countdown? Her comic in 52 was one of my favorite parts of 52.
 
Bowielee

Bowielee

Speaking of DC wankery, this month is "Villains Month"with a ton of variant cover comics with 3D motion covers.

It's like the 90s all over again. Why is DC trying to revive the worst age in comic book history?
 
Bowielee

Bowielee

Because it was jogged in my memory in another thread, I just want to pimp out Animal Man and Swamp Thing again. Those books are astoundingly good and would have worked in the original continuity or the rebooted continuity just as well.

The Rotworld crossover was simply great.

Read them....


Read them NOW.

Disclaimer: I've only read through the last 2 issues after rotworld, so I don't know how the last few issues have been.
 
ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

First, Batwoman's amazing creative team is leaving because DC didn't want the main character to get married. Not because it was a same-sex marriage, but because they want all their heroes to be swinging singles.

Now they have even more controversy:

http://multiversitycomics.com/news/artists-respond-dcs-harley-quinn-contest/

Last week, DC offered up a contest to break into comics by drawing a page for the upcoming “Harley Quinn” #0, which would feature multiple artists auditioning to Harley directly to be her new artist. The scene, whose intention was to be a humorous portrayal of events in Harley’s life, featured Harley contemplating suicide by various different fashions for four different panels, including one in which she was naked in the bath — and naturally, some people didn’t find it so funny.

Bad week to be a female character in the DC universe.
 
Gryfter

Gryfter

ThatNickGuy said:
First, Batwoman's amazing creative team is leaving because DC didn't want the main character to get married. Not because it was a same-sex marriage, but because they want all their heroes to be swinging singles.

Now they have even more controversy:

http://multiversitycomics.com/news/artists-respond-dcs-harley-quinn-contest/

Last week, DC offered up a contest to break into comics by drawing a page for the upcoming “Harley Quinn” #0, which would feature multiple artists auditioning to Harley directly to be her new artist. The scene, whose intention was to be a humorous portrayal of events in Harley’s life, featured Harley contemplating suicide by various different fashions for four different panels, including one in which she was naked in the bath — and naturally, some people didn’t find it so funny.

Bad week to be a female character in the DC universe.
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Well good on Palmiotti for owning up to the mistake and apologizing but editorial should've looked it over before this went public. It speaks volumes that no-one there stopped and said , "Uh hey guys... is this panel with her nude and about to commit suicide in a tub really appropriate?"
 
Espy

Espy

I expected the "apology" to end like this:

"So since you little shits didn't like our awesome idea we are going to start a NEW "52 Weeks" event, where every week we brutally kill off a different female character! Now, check out some tits!"
 
Covar

Covar

I read that and thought it was clearly misrepresented. Bad joke? probably depending on the artist, but not the "DC perverts are sitting in their offices waiting to masturbate to the incoming pages to suicide porn" people wanted to make it out to be based on a single panel absent of dialog (which is key).
 
Espy

Espy

I don't think anyone thinks they are a bunch of perverts masterbating to this stuff, I think they are part of a culture that revels in misogyny and objectification and are totally unaware of it. If there WAS some "context" that makes this not misogynistic the fact that they wrote up the contest and no one went, "Hey this could be really easily construed as horrible" shows that, at the very least, they are amazingly ignorant.
 
ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

There's some kind of upcoming Bat-book crossover called GOTHTOPIA. This is quite possibly the stupidest story title since MAXIMUM CLONAGE.

It sounds more like some underground Goth fetish nightclub.
 
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