It's not the hat's fault. It's the fault of the hipster assholes in t-shirts, cargo shorts, and mandals doing it WRONG.
cosplay does NOT equal Consent
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figmentPez
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So, it's okay to stereotype men by the way they dress? This is the even bigger irony involved in the situation. Feminists crying out "I see you looking at me, assuming I'm a slut because my bra strap is showing! Stop stereotyping me Mr. cargo shorts! I know exactly the type of guy you are because you tuck in your t-shirt and wear sandals!"
Fuck you. I wear cargo shorts because I actually put stuff in those pockets, and they're comfortable. I tuck in my shirt because I wear pouches on my belt for my sunglasses and cellphone. I wear sandals because they're comfortable in hot weather. Fuck you if you assume something about my political or social views because of my clothing. If my clothes are clean and appropriate to the situation, you can fuck off with any further judgement. Unless you're interviewing me for a job situation, you're damn fool to be judging me based on my fashion sense.
Seriously, judging people based on their clothing, and then trying to pawn off the responsibility on some third party that the judged don't know and may have never knowingly interacted with... Who is the real hipster asshole in that situation?
hipster really does just mean "a person I don't like", doesn't it[DOUBLEPOST=1382119876,1382119839][/DOUBLEPOST]
whoa, projecting much?
Necronic
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I don't think its a symbol of sexism. I think its a symbol of socially maladaptive behavior.[DOUBLEPOST=1382123013,1382122820][/DOUBLEPOST]
uhm. Yeah absolutely. If someone dresses like they don't care about their appearance I will make assumptions on that. Same if someone clearly cares too much about their appearance. Or if they wear salmon trousers. Clothes say a LOT about you.
I have dressed pretty slovenly lately since I have no self-esteem and hate myself and my life.
Necronic
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I look like I'm homeless from time to time because v0v it feels comfortable. I have no problem with that, but I also know people will wonder if I'm homeless, so I avoid going to a nice restaurant dressed like that. Same with Pez's outfit. I would look at that and say "well he's comfortable and possibly a high functioning autistic engineer" (ala my dad which wears exactly what you described) and that would be it. The problem with "Teh Fedora" is that someone has made the concious decision to wear that AS A FASHION STATEMENT. Its not because it is comfortable. It is because, for some insane reason, they think that it makes them look cool. Let me stress insane. Teh Fedora is something worn for other people to see. Its fashion. Its not funciton. Its not comfort. Its image. And its insane to wear something like that for image when everyone around you says its very unfashionable.
ed/TLDR: The fedora is worn by people who care about their outward appearance but do not care what other people think of it, which is the ONLY REASON to care about your appearance. There's something wrong with that. That's like delusional narcissism.
ed/TLDR: The fedora is worn by people who care about their outward appearance but do not care what other people think of it, which is the ONLY REASON to care about your appearance. There's something wrong with that. That's like delusional narcissism.
GasBandit
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The world will judge you by what you wear. "Clothes make the man," so they say. It is up to you whether you care that the judge you or not. But anyone who has ever dressed up for a wedding, funeral, or job interview and later claims that clothes are no reason to judge someone is fooling themselves, because they know they would judge someone who showed up to one of those events dressed inappropriately.
Re: Funeral attire.
I go to a fair number of funerals, geneally because I'm the one presiding. The number of people (old and young and inbetween) that seem to think that blue jeans and sneakers and sweatshirts are appropriate is truly disgusting. I'm all about compassion and comfort and such, but seriously, show some respect for the grieving family you mouth-breathing troglodyte. Ug.
Outside of funerals and (most) weddings, wear whatever the hell you want. I don't care, and I'm not going to comment on it either (unless it's freaking fabulous and I want to know where you got the thing, whatever that may be).
I go to a fair number of funerals, geneally because I'm the one presiding. The number of people (old and young and inbetween) that seem to think that blue jeans and sneakers and sweatshirts are appropriate is truly disgusting. I'm all about compassion and comfort and such, but seriously, show some respect for the grieving family you mouth-breathing troglodyte. Ug.
Outside of funerals and (most) weddings, wear whatever the hell you want. I don't care, and I'm not going to comment on it either (unless it's freaking fabulous and I want to know where you got the thing, whatever that may be).
Thank god we've moved the topic from women being sexually harassed to being all about men and the hard lives they live maybe being seen as creepy when they wear a shitty hat
Oy! I was deliberately gender neutral.
GasBandit
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Wasn't referring to you!
So in other words, fashion isn't subjective, whatever you say goes? I don't even wear/own a fedora and think your hated of them is extreme. It's not really insane for someone to like the look of something just because you don't. It's not something " everyone says is very unfashionable". For example, the main character on White Collar on USA, a smooth, stylish conman type, has a trademark fedora. And that's without referencing older, even bigger names that popularized them *cough*Indiana Jones*cough*.
Everyone agrees sexual harrasment is bad, there's not a lot to discuss there. Which makes it prime material for a derail.
Damn dude, calm down.
figmentPez
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I think clothes say far less than facial expressions, and most people I know are regularly wrong about judging the facial expressions of others. Just because clothes are an indication, doesn't mean that they are an absolute, or that people have any idea what they actually mean. From my experience judging that "cargo shorts = misogynist" is about as accurate as assuming that "longhorn sweatshirt = college student". There may be areas of the country where the only people wearing burnt orange longhorn logos are University of Texas students, but not here. You're as likely to see someone wearing longhorns because of a middle school with the same mascot, or a general family affiliation with the college, as you are to see an actual student wearing it.
People like to think that they can judge others by their appearance very quickly and easily, but in my experience most people are wrong far more often that they're right.[DOUBLEPOST=1382135886,1382135726][/DOUBLEPOST]
You've never been treated badly because of prejudice? Shit, I'm a white male and I've received poor treatment because someone judged me based on appearances. I know that such judgment is part of this world, but I don't like to see the concept promoted as acceptable and accurate.
figmentPez
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Yes, people will judge others by what they wear, that doesn't make it always good or always right to do so. There are usually well-established social guidelines for how to dress for these standard social events (though there are exceptions. My sister specifically requested that people not wear black to her funeral, but instead dress as if going to the contemporary worship service, a dress-casual situation. Some showed up in suits, some in polos, and none were judged for it by my family.)
The difference is that there is no societal standard that says that "cargo shorts = misogyny" or "fedora = MRA" it's a minority view held by a meme on the internet, and even on the internet the most famous casual fedora wearer I know of is Linkara, who is a vocal feminist. (That's ignoring characters like Indiana Jones and Neil Caffrey.) Judging someone for wearing cargo shorts, when shorts aren't otherwise an inappropriate fashion choice, is like judging someone for wearing a pinstripe suit to an afternoon wedding, because everyone knows that pinstripes are only for business. It's a sick game that people with too much money play, taking fashion that far and using it as a weapon. It happens, but it's not right, and it only reveals who knows and plays the game, not who actually has good character.[DOUBLEPOST=1382137102,1382136834][/DOUBLEPOST]
Well, apparently, everyone agrees that a woman dressing in skimpy clothes does not mean that she's a whore. Despite the fact that a woman wearing next to nothing and standing on certain street corners is a social cue that one is, in fact, a whore. Which is a good thing, because judging people based on their clothing alone, and no other factors, is pretty damn stupid.
However, for some bizarre reason, this logic doesn't seem to carry over to other areas, and I'm baffled as to why.
GasBandit
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figmentPez
Staff member
Back to being relevant. Look, she has her cleavage on display, that clearly means she wants me to stare at her breasts and not at her face, right? She's wearing a corset, that means she's a whore right? I'm allowed to judge people based on what they wear, and then treat them according to my flawless judgement, right?
FAIL EDIT/Appendum: Didn't even mean to help derail the thread, well not that much lol
On topic of the thread, I really want to know how the person who creeped out Lady Vader delivered his(assuming) line that it made the list of the inappropriate comments. The look on Loki and Thor's face is the most appropriate capture for the theme of that link, Loki's derision and disgust paired with Thor's "I NEED AN ADULT."
On topic of the thread, I really want to know how the person who creeped out Lady Vader delivered his(assuming) line that it made the list of the inappropriate comments. The look on Loki and Thor's face is the most appropriate capture for the theme of that link, Loki's derision and disgust paired with Thor's "I NEED AN ADULT."
Lighten up, Francis. I was saying I don't care what people are wearing and judging them by it is wrong no matter who the target is.
HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAH
Cmon, you really think Charlie has any clue how the real world looks? When in his entire posting time here did it seem he did? It's why he doesn't go out much.
I know, but I promised to give him the benefit of the doubt. It's not an easy promise to keep, but damn it I'm gonna try.
I'm sorry that I don't take the minor inconveniences of white males seriously.
figmentPez
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And that, right there, is why it sucks so much to have a chronic illness. Unless it's a big name like cancer, people laugh at anyone who is in pain but doesn't look sick.
i agree that white male privilege is an illness that must be cured, but i don't think i follow your thread