[TV] Winter HAS COME! - A Game of Thrones

Nah, she will be in there. I have a feeling she's got a big part to play in the future of the books.
That depends if the writers feel the same. I know Martin is there, but I don't know how much he wants slipping out about what's actually going to happen in the unreleased books. If he leads the show along too much to follow their tune, it may cut down on book sales. He may want to let the show go off on its own, as the showrunners seem to be taking it to an extent already.
 
I didn't get that from watching the episode, not having read the books. Is he joining Tyrion in bailing on King's Landing? I thought it was more a general, aw shit moment.
It's both. "What have you done?!" he asks to Tyrion. And upon realizing, decides it's time to gtfo.
 

GasBandit

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I didn't get that from watching the episode, not having read the books. Is he joining Tyrion in bailing on King's Landing? I thought it was more a general, aw shit moment.
Varys is a smart mofo. They only ring that bell when someone super important has been murdered and the city is to be locked down. Tyrion was suspiciously late leaving Jaime and getting to Varys, so it doesn't take much to realize that on his way out the door he killed either Tywin or Cersei or both. And in such a circumstance, he knows Jaime would not keep quiet about who else helped Tyrion escape. So. It's time to not be in King's Landing any more. And remember who Varys has been seen colluding with in the past who is across the narrow sea.
 
So....he needed more of a reason to go see/kill his father than he already had?
Problem is, he only went for the crossbow after he saw Shae... and he had no way of knowing she was there.

And just going to see his father makes no sense if he actually wanted to escape, unless he already was planing to kill him.


Bronn said it in the tent the first night with Shay. "I would kill the man that did that to me."
And then they totally ignored the reason why Bronn said that... imo that was a waste.

I dunno, I think the scene stood on its own.
I'm not really saying it didn't, just that it made more sense, and Tyrion came off way more justified in the book.


But you have to understand, I never read the books, so I don't have the same perspective as you do. That difference of perspective may be a real gulf.
Well, like i said, it's more about no longer having any hope of hearing Dinklage say "Where do whores go?"...

Yeah, no one I know who hasn't read the book questions his motivation for seeing Tywin there even if they are weaker than in the book.
Well ask them this, if Shae wasn't there, do they think Tyrion would have killed Tywin? And if not, what would he do after leaving, since there's no way Tywin would let him leave. I mean it's not that bad of a plot hole (people do stupid tihngs all the time), but it is a pretty obvious plot contrivance.[DOUBLEPOST=1403308645,1403308165][/DOUBLEPOST]
So. It's time to not be in King's Landing any more. And remember who Varys has been seen colluding with in the past who is across the narrow sea.
Or maybe they're saving money on actors and not having Illirio come back... because Varys actually going with Tyrion is gonna cause some problems... at least if he doesn't come back in time for the next time he shows up in the books.

Then again around this time in the books we get to see that both Varys and Littlefinger are the real chessmasters, while in the show they seem to be more at the whim of happenstance...
 
I hope he does end up with Tyrion. That would be fantastic.

Plus, for all we know, Martin has told them he ends up with Tyrion and they are just speeding things up a bit.
 
The books very much lead you to believe that he is in Kings Landing working his mojo, and Tyrion is left to play with his cohorts across the sea.

Then in a blink he reappears and whammo!

Another one bites the dust!
 
"The Princess Bride was a really good movie, but you know what it needed? More beheading and incest! Hmmm... I think I'll write a book..."

-George RR Martin, circa 1987
 
"The Princess Bride was a really good movie, but you know what it needed? More beheading and incest! Hmmm... I think I'll write a book..."

-George RR Martin, circa 1987
But it didn't take him that long to write a book back then :p.

(Seriously, two year gap, two year gap, five year gap, six year gap ... so with this trend, we can expect Winds of Winter in 2018, and A Dream of Spring in 2026.)
 
He disappeared, but never is it mentioned how or where. It certainly never showed him

sailing away!
pretty sure he pops up again in Dances with Dragons? suggesting that he's gone into hiding but has remained in King's Landing. or am I imagining things? I should re read the last two books...
 
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pretty sure he pops up again in Dances with Dragons? suggesting that he's gone into hiding but has remained in King's Landing. or am I imagining things? I should re read the last two books...
Dance with Dragons
You're revealing a surprise from the epilogue :p. He shows up in the last couple pages of the book to kill Kevan Lannister.
 

GasBandit

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The one on the right is a little too perfect... AND TOO YOUNG.
The one on the right is 18 as of february. Not that it isn't silly to assert that she was any less schtuppable in January. Not to channel Icarus or anything, but the way we handle legal age is pretty silly. It'd even make more sense if we went with the general rule of creepiness (minimum age for your date = (your age/2)+7).
 

GasBandit

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Well, I had hoped that the TV series wouldn't make the mistakes the books were making, and here they're making mistakes all their own.
 
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