[News] The USA Police State will never satisfy its lust for beating, gassing, and imprisoning minorities

SpecialKO

SpecialKO

Image of entry wounds as described by Dr. Baden and Prof. Parcells.



It's not conclusive as to what happened by itself, of course, but it seems very easy to envision that being shot with his hands up could be a possible outcome.[DOUBLEPOST=1409192739,1409192540][/DOUBLEPOST]Image of people with their hands up.



Sorry, I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here. It seems perfectly possible, purely from the reported location of the wounds, that someone could have been shot like that from the front with their hands up.
 
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Dubyamn

sixpackshaker said:
hold you hands over your head, and tell me how somebody standing in front of you can shoot the front of your arms.
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Odd how in all of the other ass covering the police have done they haven't seized on this. You have any quotes from experts with actual knowledge in the field saying that you can't get hit in the bicep and forearms with your hands up?

The "eye" witness was involved in the attack on the officer.
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Amazing how they let him go right after the shooting then. And still haven't charged him with anything. Giving him the same benefit of the doubt the officer is getting I guess.
 
DarkAudit

DarkAudit

Zero Esc said:
Ferguson PD says they do not have records of journalists having been arrested.

Oops?
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Sort of like how Al Jazeera debunked the FPD chief's live press conference in mid sentence. The moment he claimed no journalists were gassed, they put up a split screen of their crew being gassed and their equipment being dismantled by the FPD.

The truth will eventually come out (I hope), but the FPD has no credibility left.
 
Necronic

Necronic

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Zero Esc said:
Jon Stewart showing Fox News making asses of themselves

... sorry, regarding this story in particular. That description could link to any number of Daily Show clips.
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I know we have a fair number of republicans here, and I don't want to include you in this statement, because I don't think it applies to you.

But your party is racist. I'm not saying all your members are. I'm not saying you are. But your party is. Your spokespeople are. I just don't see any other conclusion after this (and frankly so many other issues), especially in the context of the Bundy standoff. The complete ignorance of white privilege that I saw in that video is just appalling.
 
Tiger Tsang

Tiger Tsang

Necronic said:
I know we have a fair number of republicans here, and I don't want to include you in this statement, because I don't think it applies to you.

But your party is racist. I'm not saying all your members are. I'm not saying you are. But your party is. Your spokespeople are. I just don't see any other conclusion after this (and frankly so many other issues), especially in the context of the Bundy standoff. The complete ignorance of white privilege that I saw in that video is just appalling.
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Nixon's Southern Strategy is alive and well.

This seems appropriate.

 
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Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

I'm only racist against people from New Jersey.

It's okay, my best friend is from Jersey.







(This post is a joke, but she actually is from Jersey.)
 
Necronic

Necronic

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stienman said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/28/opinion/nicholas-kristof-is-everyone-a-little-bit-racist.html?_r=0
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I mean that's totally true. We are all racist. And those of us who are white will always have to accept the existence of white privilege. But that's exactly the problem with the republican info-tainment machine. They don't think it exists at all. Where lots of us reflect on the fact that race is an issue and struggle with it on a daily basis through introspection and self-awareness the republican info-tainment method is to plug their ears and go "na-na-na-na its not real!"

That's what differentiates the ubiquitous racism that exists in all of us as outlined in that article, and the actual racism that existed in that John Stewart video. That's one of the things wrong with the republican party.

That said I just heard a great interview with Paul Ryan this morning and I may be a fan.
 
Charlie Don't Surf

Charlie Don't Surf

Necronic said:
a great interview with Paul Ryan this morning and I may be a fan.
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either you're A) talking about a different Paul Ryan B) he gave an interview where he said the exact opposite of everything he's tried to actually pass and push legislatively or C) you're a gigantic piece of shit. I'm pretty sure it's not C. That little stain of humanity should be treated with the same respect as the Westboro Church.


ANYWAYS

if you want to read about how shitty police and our "justice" system is, here's some light reading

http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a29775/cecily-mcmillan-grad-school-to-jail/

I didn't cry my first night in jail.

By the time I got through the 12 hours of intake — the lines, the fingerprints, the strip search — it was 4 a.m. In a dorm with 50 women, I lay on a cot smaller than a twin bed, with a mattress so thin, I could feel the cold metal beneath my back.

I didn't feel much of anything emotionally, except a vague sense of resolution. At least I knew my fate now. I was a convicted felon.

I had spent two years awaiting a trial, accused of assaulting a policeman at an Occupy Wall Street protest in New York City in March 2012. As I remember it, the officer surprised me from behind, grabbing my right breast so forcefully, he lifted me off the ground. In that moment, my elbow met his face.

At the time, I was a graduate student at The New School for Social Research and volunteering as a union organizer, in fact helping police negotiate contracts. I was studying nonviolent movements and had been inspired by pacifists like Bayard Rustin, the activist who helped Martin Luther King Jr. My arrest was the opposite of everything I stood for.

I remember someone pushing me to the ground, my face hitting a grate. Next thing I knew, I was strapped to a gurney, my skirt up above my hips. I had bruises across my body and a handprint on my chest. Officers were joking about my "Ocupussy." I learned later that I had been beaten on the head, triggering a seizure. Videos posted online showed people shouting "Help her!" amid the seizure while the cops stood by. The first time I saw those videos, I watched in horror — I couldn't believe that I was the person going through that ordeal.

At the trial, I sat trying to appear calm as I got ripped apart. Prosecutors said I had inflicted the injuries on myself. They said I hadn't immediately mentioned being grabbed — but I was completely disoriented after the seizure. The judge didn't allow evidence that my attorney wanted to show the jury, including a range of videos of the incident. I was found guilty and sent to Rikers Island to await my sentence. My lawyer Marty Stolar, a human-rights expert and watchdog for Occupy who had taken my case for free, was so shocked at the verdict that he was visibly shaken.
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That feeling didn't last long. On my third or fourth night, I sobbed, my face buried in the frayed blanket. I couldn't let anyone hear. Crying at night makes the correction officers, or COs, slam on the lights and shout, then everyone is awake and furious. But something funny happened that night too. A woman started singing softly, "Wimoweh, wimoweh." Others joined in: "In the jungle, the mighty jungle, the lion sleeps tonight." Women in their teens, in their 80s, were singing that song. It felt like a warped summer camp. I realized, we're all in this together.
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Being polite will also get you in trouble. I learned that during a battle to get my medication for ADHD. Everything in prison is about waiting and obstruction. You spend hours waiting in lines — for a mail pass, for the phone — only to be denied for some arbitrary reason. I knew that without my meds, the upheaval in my life would spark an anxiety attack, which could be mistaken for a tantrum, getting me sent to solitary. Thanks to friends who raised a ruckus with public officials, I got the medication. But when I was meeting with the pharmacist, I couldn't hear him, because a CO was shouting in the hall. I called out, "Sir, I'm sorry, but I'm having trouble hearing."

Mistake. "Are you telling me to shut up?" he yelled, launching into a tirade. Later, when I stood up to leave, I apologized. He barked, "You white bitch, I told you to shut the fuck up!" My eyes went to his badge. "You want to see my badge?" he yelled. He rammed it into me, sending me flying backward. You are supposed to be able to report grievances, but I never said anything. I was afraid of retaliation.
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That's not to say the indignities weren't rampant. People often ask if jail is like Orange Is the New Black, but I see nothing similar in incarceration and entertainment. Every day in jail, you are belittled and berated. There's no library, no computers or cell phones. A TV blasts Criminal Minds. I went through a surreal fight for weeks just to get a pair of sneakers so I could run around the yard.

Before and after seeing visitors, you have to strip naked and squat to prove you aren't hiding contraband. And on random nights, guards burst into the dorm in full riot gear. You line up while 50 women are strip-searched and X-rayed in a special chair. Next, you return to your bed and hold up the mattress while the officers dump out the two blue buckets where you keep personal items, confiscating whatever they feel like. It looks like a tornado hit the room.
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For me, the medical situation was a nightmare. When I tried to get my birth-control shot, I was told I had to get a Pap smear. I was warned the examiner might be "handsy." I was told I might have cervical cancer. I did not. I lost a friend called Jack, who died after coughing up blood for days. She should have been in the infirmary ... better yet, a hospital.

Over the weeks, I recognized how strong these women were to survive in such an oppressive place. You get a sense of how common the female experience is. Every woman I met had been sexually assaulted. And they were all on the phone every day, running families from behind bars, reminding husbands and children to pay bills. I learned about myself too. As a student, I was always busy theorizing about society, but in Rikers, I was part of a society. I listened and made friends and became more in touch with myself and other people.

My release came after 58 days. I lost 17 pounds. Now I'm on probation for five years. As a felon, I can't vote for the next seven years. My lawyer is appealing my conviction.

Even being set free became a trial. On the day of my release, my friends on the outside had helped me set up a press conference across the Rikers Island bridge, to speak for the women in jail. But a CO told me he had been ordered to drive me to a subway station 45 minutes away. I protested but no one would help, so that's where I ended up.

I borrowed a stranger's phone to call my friends, who brought me back to the bridge. I gave my press conference, describing how the women were treated. These women had sustained me, becoming my friends, my confidantes and advocates. And now I am their advocate. I walked into Rikers Island as part of one movement and left as part of another.
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Espy

Espy

Charlie Don't Surf said:
either you're A) talking about a different Paul Ryan B) he gave an interview where he said the exact opposite of everything he's tried to actually pass and push legislatively or C) you're a gigantic piece of shit. I'm pretty sure it's not C. That little stain of humanity should be treated with the same respect as the Westboro Church.
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I heard a speech on NPR awhile back, and I came a little late to it so I didn't know who it was talking but I was like, damn, this guy is a conservative/Republican but he's talking about social issues and reaching across the aisle in a way that impresses me, he must be really hated by everyone in his party.

It turned out to be Jeb Bush.

And then I remembered that oh yeah, politicians will say all kinds of crazy shit that sounds good but then has zero impact on what they actually do.
 
Necronic

Necronic

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What impressed me in the interview was that it was the first time I heard a major republican (especially with Tea Party roots) say "you know, maybe we shouldn't be crapping all over the poor all the time, I think it may be hurting our electability". Its smart, which is something I don't see in a lot of politicians these days. This is, of course, not saying that he actually means it or that he will follow through with anything, but its really interesting to see a republican with that big of a name breaking ranks. If nothing else I give him credit for having the stones to put himself out there with a statement that is going to be roundly criticized by the Tea Party and its PACs. This was the jist of the interview iirc:

http://www.npr.org/2014/08/29/343434942/rep-ryan-calls-for-culture-of-inclusion-to-tackle-poverty

Anyways. Would I vote for him based on this? Of course not, its not nearly enough. But Christ Christie (pre-pratfall) really made me hungry for a moderate republican candidate, and to see a one-time Tea Party no-goodnick say something like this makes me hopeful that we may see one. Maybe not in him, but maybe in others?

John Huntsman 2016?
 
GasBandit

GasBandit

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Necronic said:
John Huntsman 2016?
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Maybe, but only if Huntsman flips a couple of his stances, such as his support of Cap and Trade legislation, and his support for obamacare/stance that health care is a right.

Even if he does all that though, I'll still be voting Libertarian, as always. I'll be futilely putting my dissent on record at every stage of the ship sinking so long as the charade continues in our duopoly.
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

GasBandit said:
We apologize for the Obama interruption, we now return your nation to its regularly scheduled Bush/Clinton dynasty wars.
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I really don't see Chelsea running any time soon. She's actually done a pretty good job of staying out of the lime light. Jeb will, because he's already made it clear he wants to.
 
GasBandit

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AshburnerX said:
I really don't see Chelsea running any time soon. She's actually done a pretty good job of staying out of the lime light. Jeb will, because he's already made it clear he wants to.
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Hillary this time, Jeb next time, and that gives Chelsea 16 years to prepare for her coronation.
 
SpecialKO

SpecialKO

This is why I hope that Ben Carson (or Huntsman or whomever) and some Democrat-not-Hillary (I'm not impressed by the current field) end up as the nominees on their respective tickets. It won't change much, and I don't even dislike Hillary at all, but I despise the idea of political dynasties playing hopscotch with the Presidency. The more Presidents in the immediate future not named Bush or Clinton, the better.
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

GasBandit said:
Hillary this time, Jeb next time, and that gives Chelsea 16 years to prepare for her coronation.
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I don't see Jeb beating Hillary and I ESPECIALLY don't see him beating an incumbent Hillary. That's 8 years for the Republican Party to get it's ducks in a row and MAKE an electable candidate instead of just relying on the Bush name... because frankly, that is all Jeb has.

2024 is going to be an interesting year in American politics because it's going to be first election we see "new wave" presidents. It's also going to be around the point (I'm thinking 2022) where Gen Xers start getting seats in Congress because the Boomers aren't going to be strong enough as candidates anymore. You're going to see a pretty big swing in politics around that time... almost as big as the one we're going to get in the 2040's when millenials start hitting the political scene.
 
PatrThom

PatrThom

Isn't it becoming standard policy to kill all dogs present in order to remove their influence?

I am asking this as a serious question...whether dogs are considered "threats" and therefore SOP would roll this into the neutralization of any such "unpredictable" threat prior to engaging the situation.

--Patrick
 
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