[News] The USA Police State will never satisfy its lust for beating, gassing, and imprisoning minorities
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I kind of doubt that, but even if it was the case, I don't expect he was drug tested.
If the dash cam hadn't caught this, I can only imagine what story would've been concocted.
If the dash cam hadn't caught this, I can only imagine what story would've been concocted.
Watching the video might help you discuss the video
. The private property thing is null to this situation; if there was a seatbelt violation, it would've been observed before the guy got out of his car, so likely it was spotted earlier and off the property, if it happened. Like you said, an off-property violation can be pursued onto property. Getting onto private property isn't like crossing the border.As for high alert, if the officer was concerned for his safety to that degree, his instruction could've been "hands behind your head" or "hands on the vehicle". Or maybe even give himself a minute to figure out what he wanted the guy to do to cause the least amount of danger to the officer. Not, "show me your stuff" and then when the guy reaches for the stuff, not shout "out of the vehicle" while the guy's already out, and then not firing before the guy has a chance to figure out which contradictory instructions to follow, and then not continuing to fire while the guy's hands are raised over his head of his own volition.
Not to mention, usually with traffic stops, the other driver is still in their seat while the officer is outside the window. A normal traffic stop puts an officer in far more danger than this officer was, back at his vehicle.
The officer's orders and actions are a fucking mess. Does anyone know how long this guy has been on the force?
just another outlier, one bad apple
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/jon-burge-ex-chicago-cop-who-ran-torture-ring-released-prison
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/jon-burge-ex-chicago-cop-who-ran-torture-ring-released-prison
Damn, I want to still get paid after I get caught using my position of power to torture, murder, and falsely imprison poor people. When's the next academy class?
Not really. If they put you in Gen Pop, you tend to be dead in a few weeks. The real hell is reserved for the ones that go into protective custody and basically spend their term in solitary.
Police should support comprehensive prison reform. Then when they get caught breaking the law, they wouldn't be subject to that living hell.
Police supporting it does not equal it going into effect. The American prison system is a business; do you really think a business gives a shit what the police think?
Probably just as much as the plantation owners cared about the people who piloted the ships.
--Patrick
Therein lies probably the biggest issue with the American justice system.
I was operating in a wild, fantastical hypothetical world where cops are ever even charged with crimes.
Well, since the subject sprang up because of one getting out of jail, logic would dictate at some point he was charged with at least one crime and found guilty, thus went in jail. I don't think he just wandered in and thought, "This would be a nice place to spend the next four years." I get the source of your hyperbole and it pisses me off too, but it's contradicted by your own article eight posts up.
we're through the looking glass
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Here are some more interesting stats:
From a public survey (not police self-reporting, though the survey was administered by the DOJ):
- in 2008 there were 17.6 million reported traffic stops, or 8.4% of the driving population
- Simply being stopped does not correlate to race. This makes sense anyway, because you try to identify the race of a driver through modern UV coated windshields. Roughly 8% of all reporters reported being stopped from each self-identified race.
- 5% of that 8% developed into searches. For those playing along at home, that's 0.4% of the stopped people.
- Black drivers were 3x as likely as white people to be searched, and 2x as likely as hispanic drivers.
From here it seems that of the high death on the job death rate of police officers, more than half of those deaths occurred during traffic stops.
If it sounds like I am defending the police, I guess I am in a way--though not directly. I think it's strange when any group is characterized by the actions of a few. Those actions are terrible. I'm in no way condoning any of them. But for me, it does beg the question. To properly assess how widespread the problem is, we do need to put it in a statistical perspective. That's the only way to be sure that there really is a "blue wall", or that the police really are suppressing the public both in general and on average more than any other subgroup of our society. Objectively, these stats show that a huge percentage of drivers get pulled over. They show that a large percentage of officers are killed at traffic stops. They show a racial and gender bias in searching, particularly toward black men. These stats seem on par with the deep-seated racial biases in this country, which are terrible, but don't seem specific to police. The police are able to combine this racial bias with power to create institutionalized racism, and to engender sheer terror given their armed and armored status, no doubt.
From a public survey (not police self-reporting, though the survey was administered by the DOJ):
- in 2008 there were 17.6 million reported traffic stops, or 8.4% of the driving population
- Simply being stopped does not correlate to race. This makes sense anyway, because you try to identify the race of a driver through modern UV coated windshields. Roughly 8% of all reporters reported being stopped from each self-identified race.
- 5% of that 8% developed into searches. For those playing along at home, that's 0.4% of the stopped people.
- Black drivers were 3x as likely as white people to be searched, and 2x as likely as hispanic drivers.
From here it seems that of the high death on the job death rate of police officers, more than half of those deaths occurred during traffic stops.
If it sounds like I am defending the police, I guess I am in a way--though not directly. I think it's strange when any group is characterized by the actions of a few. Those actions are terrible. I'm in no way condoning any of them. But for me, it does beg the question. To properly assess how widespread the problem is, we do need to put it in a statistical perspective. That's the only way to be sure that there really is a "blue wall", or that the police really are suppressing the public both in general and on average more than any other subgroup of our society. Objectively, these stats show that a huge percentage of drivers get pulled over. They show that a large percentage of officers are killed at traffic stops. They show a racial and gender bias in searching, particularly toward black men. These stats seem on par with the deep-seated racial biases in this country, which are terrible, but don't seem specific to police. The police are able to combine this racial bias with power to create institutionalized racism, and to engender sheer terror given their armed and armored status, no doubt.
He... Ass..
And will continue to happen.
Yep, another cop was shot at. Happens quite a lot.It's happening again.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/natio...-police-fatally-shoot-man-20141008-story.html
Everything is an assumption at this point.
Yeah, that news story basically boils down to "We have no idea what happened, so lets jump straight to outrage."
There wasn't a riot and no militarized police were brought in since it was happening in a white neighborhood.
You could also have suggested that all the police were lazy, or that they were all busy attending to hundreds of other crimes in the crime-ridden area, or that the department is horribly understaffed due to budget cuts. All are equally as plausible.
--Patrick
I don't see all cops are racist fascists in there. Way to be part of the problem!
Darren Wilson swinging in the town square even wouldn't change the minds of the people systematically repressed and sometimes literally beaten down for over 200 years by the white men in power.
GasBandit
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Good thing there aren't any of those.
Yeah. After 200 years you'd think they'd literally have enough trouble standing up under their own power. Or breathing.
--Patrick
Dave
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Man, this is a GREAT article. By a guy you may have heard of. Frank Seripco.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/10/the-police-are-still-out-of-control-112160.html
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/10/the-police-are-still-out-of-control-112160.html
Everyone should read this article.
EDIT: You know, you wonder why more police don't step up, and then you read stuff like this.
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Welp...
Columnist for the conservative paper in Charleston calls Michael Brown an "animal that needed to be put down," then redacts that line, then deletes the entire post in hopes of saving his job...
It didn't help.
Columnist for the conservative paper in Charleston calls Michael Brown an "animal that needed to be put down," then redacts that line, then deletes the entire post in hopes of saving his job...
It didn't help.