The Zoe Quinn sex-for-reviews scandal

Reverent-one

Reverent-one

Tinwhistler said:
http://tmi.kotaku.com/the-indie-game-reality-tv-show-that-went-to-hell-1555599284

Article written 3/31. Grayson allegedly told his boss that he didn't sleep with Quinn until 4/1. A lot of people find this a tad convenient and are skeptical.
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That's about all the developers who participated in the Jam, and I doubt he's slept with all of them. Moreover, the video's claim is that Grayson gave her game favorable coverage, and this great injustice is what started all this. Which, as Frank pointed out, isn't true.
 
Tinwhistler

Tinwhistler

Reverent-one said:
That's about all the developers who participated in the Jam, and I doubt he's slept with all of them. Moreover, the video's claim is that Grayson gave her game favorable coverage, and this great injustice is what started all this. Which, as Frank pointed out, isn't true.
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I am barely following Quinn or the claims about her. I just happened to know that's one of the articles that people point to when they call "bullshit" on the "grayson slept with quin after he wrote about her". Based on the alleged timing, things do look a little fishy there. And while it was an article ostensibly about "all the developers" and not just Quinn, reading it just now I note:

Zoe's name is mentioned 8 times in the article, sometimes as Zoe, sometimes as Quinn, sometimes her full name, and twice as "Depression Quest creator Zoe Quinn".
Adriel Wallick is mentioned 3 times. No mention of her game(s).
Robin Arnott is mentioned 3 times.
JonTron is mentioned 4 times, but mostly in a paragraph detailing how he and Zoe Quinn were butting heads.

Even when named, most of these people only got a passing mention.

You know who wasn't mentioned by name? Russell, Ben, Yuliy, and Tom (the Arcane Kids). Nor are the "group of USC students" who were in the jam. Any of the surprise YouTube personalities (besides JonTron). Any of the other "16 competitors in total, divided into four teams."

There is a strong focus on Quinn in the article. After reading the article, the only person who I could be sure of who they were was Zoe Quinn. And wouldn't you know, the article ends with a two paragraph (nearly 12% of the article length) kumbaya quote/advertisement from Quinn about how she wants to start her own game jam and be a steward and ambassador for indie games.

I think people can be forgiven if they think this article's a bit of a Quinn puff piece.
 
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LordRendar

LordRendar

Damn,you have been lurking that long? crazy. But ok, I have been stalking these dorks longer then I care to admit.

Which I just did. >.<
 
Celt Z

Celt Z

LordRendar said:
Damn,you have been lurking that long? crazy. But ok, I have been stalking these dorks longer then I care to admit.

Which I just did. >.<
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I did say in my introduction I was around (lurking) when Scott announced the Image Forum, so yeah... it's been a while. :oops:
 
Frank

Frank

Alright, if that's the super unethical positive sleeping with her coverage that they harp about, that's cool, I guess. I'll move onto the 14 articles in one day comment. This guy on Neogaf has better info on that misinfo.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=132616610&postcount=7856

There weren't 14, and most of those were basically also rans linking to the Golding blog or the Leigh Alexander piece. Also, they took several days/
 
Null

Null

I don't know if any of allegations about Zoe Quinn's sexual liasons are true. I don't especially care. But she does have an awfully high amount of name recognition and media profile for someone who, when you get right down to it, has only produced one mediocre indie game. I mean she gets more mention by name than Notch, and that's kind of absurd.

What is true is that gaming journalism has become fatally compromised by developer entanglements, and that is bad, in general, for gamers who want objective news and reviews.
 
Bowielee

Bowielee

Null said:
I don't know if any of allegations about Zoe Quinn's sexual liasons are true. I don't especially care. But she does have an awfully high amount of name recognition and media profile for someone who, when you get right down to it, has only produced one mediocre indie game. I mean she gets more mention by name than Notch, and that's kind of absurd.

What is true is that gaming journalism has become fatally compromised by developer entanglements, and that is bad, in general, for gamers who want objective news and reviews.
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Well, she does NOW. She'd have been relegated to a blip on the radar if this whole thing hadn't exploded. Kinda makes me wonder why all these conspiracy theorists don't question whether or not the guy who started this whole shitstorm wasn't doing it on purpose to boost her career.
 
Bowielee

Bowielee

Hey, they pretty much mention Charlie specifically :p

Let them gain enough influence in an online community, and they will poison it for anyone who wants to talk to other fans of their favorite shows, movies, or books—or games—without relentless hectoring about “privilege” and “oppression.”
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PatrThom

PatrThom

I don't think I've heard the word "hector" used as anything other than a proper noun. I honestly thought they'd mistyped "heckle."

--Patrick
 
Dave

Dave

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I read today that we should not buy the new Borderlands game because the main author doesn't support GamerGate. Fuck them. The whole GamerGate thing is fucking stupid and I'm not boycotting anything because of those whiney bitches on either side.


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Bowielee

Bowielee

Are they referring to Anthony Burch? I'd look at all the stuff on Hey Ash before claiming that he's on either side of the fence. He's done just as much jacked up writing as he has social justice stuff.
 
GasBandit

GasBandit

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Meh, it's clear Burch's boss doesn't agree with him and subtly tried to get him to shut up, but the dude is a raging multislot cockholster and hates reason even more than he hates looking presentable.
 
Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

They've pretty much eliminated any chance for her to do anything. Any time she wants to try, there will be death threats and they know those threats will work. The odds of one of these neckbeards actually doing a damn thing is almost nil. If everyone who got death threats stopped what they did for them, no one would do anything controversial.

She's told them that they have control of her life. This was a mistake she's going to regret, because now the moment she does stand up, it's going to be seen as a challenge, and things will escalate.
 
Reverent-one

Reverent-one

Zero Esc said:
They've pretty much eliminated any chance for her to do anything. Any time she wants to try, there will be death threats and they know those threats will work. The odds of one of these neckbeards actually doing a damn thing is almost nil. If everyone who got death threats stopped what they did for them, no one would do anything controversial.

She's told them that they have control of her life. This was a mistake she's going to regret, because now the moment she does stand up, it's going to be seen as a challenge, and things will escalate.
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Anything in terms of public appearences maybe (assuming that things don't die down in a few months/years and she goes back to it), but the death threats haven't stopped her from doing her videos, so clearly saying they've stopped her from doing "anything" is inaccurate.

EDIT: Actually, according to the article, she's gone on stage after getting death threats before, so simply getting a death threat isn't enough to automatically stop her. It sounds like the difference between this time and the others is the security at the location.
 
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