[Movies] The Avengers 2
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Oh, I am really liking how Ultron himself is shaping up for it. James Spader is sounding like a good match. I think a moment I really like is his last line in the trailer of "There are no strings on me", having compared the Avengers to puppets all tangled in strings, unwilling to really change the world.
Is "spoilertacular!" a word?
Dave
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And it's an apt comparison considering this origin of Ultron.
Oh yeah, I'm ready for this movie.
I did catch that. Actually, I had read the reports from Comic-Con about it, and the idea of Ultron saying "I've got no strings on me" sounded sort of fun what with the Pinocchio reference and Disney owning Marvel.
Now, actually hearing James Spader's delivery of that line? That really sold me.
I remember watching an interview where someone asked Chris Evans what he thought of James Spader as Ultron, and while I don't remember the exact words, he said the performance was terrifying. I am starting to see what Chris Evans meant.
Also about some scenes in the trailer.
They have one shot of Ultron in what appears to be that Hydra base seen at the end of Winter Soldier while SW and QS walk up behind him. I think when he first becomes sentient he is too damaged to do anything, but Hydra collects him and rebuilds him, only for him to turn on them and obliterate the facility. He takes SW and QS to be his lackeys for whatever reason.
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That's a pretty effective trailer
Also, looks like
Hulk/Banner is going to lose control somehow, maybe Ultron gets in his head or it has something to do with them all feeling Stark betrayed them (Thor grabs him at one point as well).
Trailer was awesome, but it's probably time for me to stop visiting this thread again so there can still be some surprises in the movie.
Surprise! Ultron is in it.
I like to imagine some scenes, like the rather large one implied at the end, are just a red herring, but trailers these days are rather bad about throwing out all the damn twists these days. Just can never be sure anymore.
I'd say that's a big leap of logic, isn't it? Next thing you know you'll be telling us the Avengers are in it too.
Psht, yeah right, Ultron and the Avengers?
So what do people think of Ultron's redesign? Most of the promotional material like the very first teaser and that huge poster with the hundreds of Ultrons used his more classic design, but you can tell from the last scene they are trying to go for a a more human faced feel, very reminiscent of the Transformers from the Bay movies. I hope at the least we get a scene with the classic design, even if just used for his robot army.
I think, based on the trailer, it looks like they're going with a more human-like face for Ultron himself (most likely due in part to the MoCap they did with James Spader), while his robot army looks like they'll have his classic look. Honestly, I don't think it looks that bad. If they can maintain some level of creepiness from the uncanny valley of his "sort-of-human-but-not-quite" face, I'm sure it will work.
Probably not a popular opinion, but I'd rather not see much Black Widow or Hawkeye on screen. Their characters are super-boring, IMO. I'd rather have a Ms. Marvel and another Avenger. I am glad to see Scarlet Witch too.
BW got better thanks to a big part in Cap 2, but overall I agree. They haven't gotten a whole lot of characterization, Hawkeye especially, and if they don't get more in this movie they're going to be boring background characters like they were in Avengers 1, and just not stand out at all.[DOUBLEPOST=1414082390,1414082197][/DOUBLEPOST]
I like it. I've heard the TF comparison in other places, but really I don't think it's that bad as the overall composition of Ultron in the trailer is smooth/sleek, whereas Bay's 'bots are kind of a big mess of moving parts and random pieces of metal.
Also, keep in mind this trailer's movie is nearly what, 6-7 months away? Odds are a lot of the CG is going to look better come release day.
By the way, did anyone notice Andy Serkis in the trailer? Based on his look, some are speculating that he might turn up as Ulysses Klaw.
See, I don't know if that would work in a movie. If Ultron keeps being beaten down, he comes off as more of a punching bag than a serious threat. "Well, it's been 16 minutes since the last big fight scene, time to get beaten up by the Avengers again." It works in a TV series, where you can have defeats and victories over the course of a season, but not repeatedly in a 3-hour movie. I mean, if you've seen Ultron lose 6 times already by the third act, he no longer reads as a credible threat.
The whole point is that no matter what they throw at him, he can't be fully defeated. Each time he comes back even stronger then the last, which makes him feel more threatening.
Not to mention he can't be defeated the same way twice. I don't need it 6 times or anything, but I think 3 would drive the point home, breakup the three act structure a bit, and hopefully show the Avengers being tactical and not just falling into the solution.
I expect we'll probably see no more than three variations of Ultron. We've got his early, cobbled-together appearance, and we've got a Vibranium build that's most likely what we see near the end of the trailer (I say that because I remember reading somewhere that there is a sequence of the film set in Wakanda).
ugh, I just realized that you're probably right
Yeah, the movie can illustrate how big a threat he is if he's demonstrably stronger every time he comes back.
Round 1: Captain America solos Ultron, smashing Ultron's head off with his mighty shield.
Round 2: Ultron comes back, Cap tries to hit it with his shield, shield bounces off (or breaks). Iron Man is needed to defeat Ultron.
Round 3: Ultron comes back again, with an army. Iron Man tries to defeat Ultron, fails completely, and gets knocked around. Thor/Hulk come in and smash Ultron into the ground. Rest of the Avengers deal with the robot army. All's seemingly well now, until Ultron's hand bursts out of the rubble. "You didn't think it'd be that easy, did you?"