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Apr 26, 2013#1

Cheesy1

Let's get this ball rolling:

Joss Whedon Adds New Comic Book 'Brother-Sister Act' To Film

Apr 27, 2013#2

Hailey Knight

The Wonder Twins!

:awesome:

Apr 27, 2013#3

ThatNickGuy

Quotemander Prime said:
The Wonder Twins!

THAT'S DC, NUMBSKULL!

Apr 27, 2013#4

Covar

Thought those two were tied up in the X-Men license (for some reason)? Including She-Hulk would be awesome (dreaming).

Apr 27, 2013#5

ThatNickGuy

Covar said:
Thought those two were tied up in the X-Men license (for some reason)? Including She-Hulk would be awesome (dreaming).

Apparently, since they also have very strong ties with Avengers (arguably stronger than X-Men), it's one of those "DIBS!" kind of things. Whoever can get them on screen first gets to use them.

Apr 27, 2013#6

Charlie Don't Surf

Marvel is getting the ball rolling already, airing commercials for their commercials for this movie!

Apr 27, 2013#7

Frank

That's so bizarre that Magneto's kids are in the Marvel Studios universe and not the FoX-Men universe.

Apr 27, 2013#8

IronBrig4

Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver? Not bad.

What I'm really hoping is that Guardians of the Galaxy leads to a Nova movie. If that's ever announced the first two words out of my mouth will be "blue blazes!"

Apr 27, 2013#9

ThatNickGuy

I should say that, as much as I love Rocket Racoon, it's sad that he'll make his big screen debut before Flash, Wonder Woman, or Martian Manhunter. And maybe Aquaman.

Apr 27, 2013#10

Tress

DC just cannot get their shit together. They had two good Superman movies a few decades ago and caught lightning in a bottle with the Nolan/Bale Batman films. Everything else they've done (non-animated) is embarrassingly amateur.

Apr 27, 2013#11

Frank

Oh come on, the first Burton Batman movie is why there's superhero movies now.

Apr 27, 2013#12

ThatNickGuy

Ehhhh, I don't know about that. I think Blade, followed by X-Men, and then especially Spider-Man had more of a hand in giving us all the superhero movies we have today.

Apr 27, 2013#13

Frank

The mad snapping up of superhero properties by the studios happened after the massive buzz and success Batman had in 1989. I know a lot of you folks are younger than me, but those of you my age or older can't be forgetting the fucking insane crazy anticipation for Batman. Everyone was nuts for it. The superhero genre was all but dead until Batman. You can dislike it all you want, but you can't deny it's success.

Apr 27, 2013#14

ThatNickGuy

Oh, I won't deny its success at all. Though I will admit the Burton movies have not aged well.

That said, while we did get a slew of superhero movies, there were only a handful that were of any great quality. Sure, we got Ninja Turtles, Darkman, The Rocketeer, but for every one of those, we got quite a few stinkers, too. The quality ration of good to bad didn't really start until after Blade.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_superhero_films

Apr 27, 2013#15

Gilgamesh

Keaton's Batman may have revived the Superhero movie genre but after 2 films, it killed it again too.

Apr 27, 2013#16

Frank

Gilgamesh said:
Keaton's Batman may have revived the Superhero movie genre but after 2 films, it killed it again too.

Almost, for sure, but the studios bought up all those rights during those times. That's when the X-Men rights were picked up and James Cameron finally let go of his stranglehold on Spider-Man.

Apr 27, 2013#17

Bowielee

It's also fair to say that Batman would never have been made had the Christopher Reeve Superman movies hadn't done so well.

As to DC, really, they should have been poised to do what Marvel did years ago. They've been owned by WB for quite some time, they don't have to worry about liscencing all over the place because they never had to split their properties to multiple studios like Marvel did. All around, DC has done a piss poor job of making a coherent universe for their movies. As much as I love the Bale Batman movies, they don't feel like part of a larger universe like the Marvel Studios movies do.

What I'm really excited about is the fact that they said after they do their super mega-star movies in the marvel universe, we'll start to see wierder properties. I can't wait for the Dr. Strange movie.

Apr 27, 2013#18

Frank

Bowielee said:
It's also fair to say that Batman would never have been made had the Christopher Reeve Superman movies hadn't done so well.

As to DC, really, they should have been poised to do what Marvel did years ago. They've been owned by WB for quite some time, they don't have to worry about liscencing all over the place because they never had to split their properties to multiple studios like Marvel did. All around, DC has done a piss poor job of making a coherent universe for their movies. As much as I love the Bale Batman movies, they don't feel like part of a larger universe like the Marvel Studios movies do.

What I'm really excited about is the fact that they said after they do their super mega-star movies in the marvel universe, we'll start to see wierder properties. I can't wait for the Dr. Strange movie.

Well, really, they're already going with some of the weirder shit with GotG. I'm really stoked for that.

Apr 27, 2013#19

Covar

Bowielee said:
It's also fair to say that Batman would never have been made had the Christopher Reeve Superman movies hadn't done so well.

As to DC, really, they should have been poised to do what Marvel did years ago. They've been owned by WB for quite some time, they don't have to worry about liscencing all over the place because they never had to split their properties to multiple studios like Marvel did. All around, DC has done a piss poor job of making a coherent universe for their movies. As much as I love the Bale Batman movies, they don't feel like part of a larger universe like the Marvel Studios movies do.

That's because the Marvel Studio movies were produced by studio created by Marvel for the purpose of having control (and profits) of their properties on the big screen. Any movie based on a DC property is going to be produced by Warner Bros. a movie company that owns the rights for the DC properties because they bought them. It's kind of unfair when people blame DC for this as WB has all the control in the process.

Apr 27, 2013#20

Bowielee

Covar said:
That's because the Marvel Studio movies were produced by studio created by Marvel for the purpose of having control (and profits) of their properties on the big screen. Any movie based on a DC property is going to be produced by Warner Bros. a movie company that owns the rights for the DC properties because they bought them. It's kind of unfair when people blame DC for this as WB has all the control in the process.

DC is a division of WB now. Look at the animated universe. It doesn't run into an liscencing issues because they're all under one roof. Of course DC doesn't have direct studio control, but it would be extremely easy to pull characters together. Particularly given the success that Marvel Studios has had, WB is just plain stupid to not follow suit.

Apr 27, 2013#21

Frank

Bowielee said:
DC is a division of WB now. Look at the animated universe. It doesn't run into an liscencing issues because they're all under one roof. Of course DC doesn't have direct studio control, but it would be extremely easy to pull characters together. Particularly given the success that Marvel Studios has had, WB is just plain stupid to not follow suit.

That's not entirely true, they run into infighting issues too(the Batman character embargo on Justice League).

Apr 27, 2013#22

ThatNickGuy

The problem with DC being owned by Warner Bros is honestly WB themselves. For one, they have no flipping idea how to make a superhero movie that isn't Batman. They wanted the new Superman to be dark, dark, dark, which had me worried but the latest trailer has my hopes up. Two, they don't seem keen on just making a good, fun superhero movie like Marvel is all willing to do. They seem wanting to make big budget arthouse movies ala the newer Bat-movies.

They seem afraid to just let the superhero stuff go nuts and have fun. Then again, I suppose they attempted that with Green Lantern and they completely fell flat on their face.

EDIT: I agree that the lack of spin-off division devoted just to making the movies like Marvel has is a distinct problem. Look at the animated division. They've done an amazing job. I'd love to see Bruce Timm have his own live-action division for all things DC, but I read somewhere that Timm has no interest in anything live-action and firmly believes animation gets a bum rap. Which I agree on, but if it meant we get Timm doing live action, I wish he'd make the sacrifice.

Apr 28, 2013#23

Shawn

I wish Marvel movies were all sunshine and rainbows.
Then I remember the Fantastic 4 movies and weep rivers.

Apr 28, 2013#24

Bowielee

Shawnacy said:
I wish Marvel movies were all sunshine and rainbows.
Then I remember the Fantastic 4 movies and weep rivers.

That movie wasn't produced by Marvel Studios, both were produced by Fox.

Apr 28, 2013#25

Shawn

Bowielee said:
That movie wasn't produced by Marvel Studios, both were produced by Fox.

Well... it certainly makes sense now.

Apr 28, 2013#26

Bowielee

Fox currently owns the rights to Spider-Man, X-Men, Daredevil, Fantastic Four, Deadpool, Ghost Rider, and I believe a few others. It really sucks.

Apr 28, 2013#27

Shawn

Bowielee said:
Fox currently owns the rights to Spider-Man, X-Men, Daredevil, Fantastic Four, Deadpool, Ghost Rider, and I believe a few others. It really sucks.

I was under the impression that Disney had the rights to Spider-Man and they were responsible for the reboot.

Apr 28, 2013#28

Bowielee

Sorry, Sony owns the rights to Spider-Man.

Disney owns Marvel.

Apr 28, 2013#29

Shawn

Bowielee said:
Sorry, Sony owns the rights to Spider-Man.

Disney owns Marvel.

Sounds like Disney has a hand in the films though.

Apr 28, 2013#30

Frank

Bowielee said:
Fox currently owns the rights to Spider-Man, X-Men, Daredevil, Fantastic Four, Deadpool, Ghost Rider, and I believe a few others. It really sucks.

The rights to Daredevil just reverted to Marvel.

Apr 28, 2013#31

Bowielee

Shawnacy said:
Sounds like Disney has a hand in the films though.

Not Spider-Man, they don't have the movie rights to the character. Sony can do whatever they want with him, movie wise. They make money off the movies via licensing fees and merchandising, but beyond that, they have nothing to do with them. They really don't have anything to do with the current Marvel movies beyond financial backing and distribution. Marvel Studios is backed by Disney, but they don't fall under the Disney movie production umbrella. Marvel Studios is basically Avi Arad's show.

Apr 28, 2013#32

Hailey Knight

ThatNickGuy said:
The problem with DC being owned by Warner Bros is honestly WB themselves. For one, they have no flipping idea how to make a superhero movie that isn't Batman. They wanted the new Superman to be dark, dark, dark, which had me worried but the latest trailer has my hopes up. Two, they don't seem keen on just making a good, fun superhero movie like Marvel is all willing to do. They seem wanting to make big budget arthouse movies ala the newer Bat-movies.

They seem afraid to just let the superhero stuff go nuts and have fun. Then again, I suppose they attempted that with Green Lantern and they completely fell flat on their face.

EDIT: I agree that the lack of spin-off division devoted just to making the movies like Marvel has is a distinct problem. Look at the animated division. They've done an amazing job. I'd love to see Bruce Timm have his own live-action division for all things DC, but I read somewhere that Timm has no interest in anything live-action and firmly believes animation gets a bum rap. Which I agree on, but if it meant we get Timm doing live action, I wish he'd make the sacrifice.

Someone being good at animation doesn't mean they'll be good at live action. See: Andrew Stanton, director of Finding Nemo and Wall-E, taking on John Carter. Now, I like that movie and it's still good, but the reason the budget was so high and there were so many bumps in the road development-wise is because Stanton planned it out like he was doing an animated film and caused a lot of headaches for Disney. The nice thing about animated films is that you can make everything at once. You don't have to worry about a 30-day shoot, feeding and housing actors and extras, etc.

So I'm not saying Timm wouldn't make a good movie, but WB would likely bring the hammer down either while he was making it, thus stifling his vision, or afterward, killing a lot of potential with comic book movies from their company.

At this point, I don't really care what WB does with the DC property. Marvel was smart--they hired the right people to do work that made sense for those filmmakers. WB wants what's popular. It's like comparing Pixar and Dreamworks from a few years ago, before Dreamworks started making really good animated films. Pixar would get voice actors to match their vision; Dreamworks would get name actors to do their voices. Marvel gets people who get their material; WB wants people who are popular.

Apr 28, 2013#33

AshburnerX

Bowielee said:
Fox currently owns the rights to Spider-Man, X-Men, Daredevil, Fantastic Four, Deadpool, Ghost Rider, and I believe a few others. It really sucks.

They also own the rights to the X-Men, as well as mutants in general. So Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver probably aren't going to be mutants, unless Marvel and Fox came to a deal.

The Fantastic Four deal excludes Silver Surfer and Galactus because of a deal Marvel made to let Fox keep the FF rights. Don't be surprised if they show up in the Guardians of the Galaxy movie.

Expect to hear stuff on Ghost Rider 3 soon, though Nicholas Cage already said he won't be involved. This means the franchise will ether be reverting to Marvel or a deal will be made.

Unless that Deadpool movie is in production, it's likely the rights will be reverting to Marvel soon.

Apr 28, 2013#34

Hailey Knight

AshburnerX said:
Unless that Deadpool movie is in production, it's likely the rights will be reverting to Marvel soon.

Oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please

Apr 28, 2013#35

AshburnerX

Quotemander Prime said:
Oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please

I'm just going by the time frame... the last Fantastic 4 movie was released the same year as X-Men Origins: Wolverine, which depicted Deadpool (kinda). If they were willing to make a deal to extend the rights on one, that probably meant that the rights were being threatened by inaction. This means that Deadpool, as a character, is probably going back home unless the upcoming Wolverine 2 movie resets that timer.

Apr 28, 2013#36

Bowielee

Y'know, if they did another FF movie/reboot under Marvel Studios, I'd love to see a story involving Namor. It's perfect for adaption to the big screen due to the romantic triangle with Sue/Namor/Reed.

I just wish Spider-Man would revert to Marvel Studios. Imagine a Spider-Man movie written by Joss Whedon. If anyone would be able to write his banter well, it would be him. All his protagonists have their bad guy fight banter down to a science.

Apr 28, 2013#37

Tress

I could never get into Namor. What's the appeal? Did I just not see any good storylines?

Apr 28, 2013#38

Bowielee

Tress said:
I could never get into Namor. What's the appeal? Did I just not see any good storylines?

I think he was best when he was a Villain. His imperious attitude lends itself far better to villainy than to heroism. Plus, for a while, he kind of had Sue Storm wrapped around his finger.

Apr 28, 2013#39

Charlie Don't Surf

Personally, I'm ecstatic to see Spider-Man as far away from Whedon's film career as possible.

Apr 28, 2013#40

Gilgamesh

Charlie Don't Surf said:
Personally, I'm ecstatic to see Spider-Man as far away from Whedon's film career as possible.

All the more reason for anyone to look forward to it actually happening

Apr 28, 2013#41

bhamv3

The Amazing Spider-Man was pretty decent, I thought. Well, apart from the inconsistent and often perplexing Lizard.

Apr 28, 2013#42

Bowielee

I've already said my piece on ASM. I'm still baffled by people liking that movie.

Apr 28, 2013#43

Frank

Gilgamesh said:
All the more reason for anyone to look forward to it actually happening

But it won't. Ever.

Bowielee said:
I've already said my piece on ASM. I'm still baffled by people liking that movie.

And this too.

Jul 21, 2013#44

evilmike

The main villain in Avengers 2 isn't going to be Thanos...

Jul 21, 2013#45

Hailey Knight

I hope they're doing this for a good reason and not just to tie in with the recent comic storyline, because I was really looking forward to Thanos.

Jul 21, 2013#46

Covar

Thank Goodness. An Avengers villain for an Avengers movie. Plus now we'll get Wasp and Ant/Giant Man.

Jul 21, 2013#47

ThatNickGuy

Step 1: Tease Thanos.
Step 2: Use Ultron, instead.
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Fuck ton of profit, anyway.

Oh, who am I kidding? I'll be seeing this bad boy ASAP, anyway. I have faith in Whedon.

Jul 21, 2013#48

DarkAudit

ThatNickGuy said:
Step 3: Shawarma

Jul 21, 2013#49

ThatNickGuy

/thread

Jul 21, 2013#50

Zappit

Thanks gets teased for Guardians of the Galaxy, and we get one of the all-time great Avengers villains instead?

I have no problem with this. Ultron frikkin' rocks.

Jul 21, 2013#51

Tiger Tsang

Hell yeah!

*plus Thanos is probably getting more build-up in GotG.

Jul 21, 2013#52

Gilgamesh

Thanos does seem the better villain for the final part of the Trilogy, since all these movies seem to be made with a 3rd movie in mind.

Jul 21, 2013#53

Frank

FUCK YEAH ULTRON!

Age of Ultron is fucking awful, but that doesn't mean shit. I want Ultron main villain movie right now DIRECTLY IN MY VEINS!

Ultron's my second favorite Marvel villain.

Just sayin'.

Jul 21, 2013#54

IronBrig4

Henry Pym built Ultron, meaning we'll see Ant Man. That also means Wasp.

Jul 21, 2013#55

Tress

Frank said:
Ultron's my second favorite Marvel villain.

Who's the first?

I'm tentatively excited. Ultron is a fantastic villain as well as being a classic Avengers antagonist... but they had better not try do a movie version of the Age of Ultron storyline. That arc was shit, and it would be even worse if they tried to transport it to film.

Jul 21, 2013#56

Necronic

I really hope they play up the abusive Pym angle.

Jul 21, 2013#57

Sparhawk

IronBrig4 said:
Henry Pym built Ultron, meaning we'll see Ant Man. That also means Wasp.

Whedon has already said that Pym will not be in the movie, and it's not following the "Age of Ultron" series.

Jul 21, 2013#58

Tress

Sparhawk said:
...and it's not following the "Age of Ultron" series.

Oh thank goodness.

Jul 21, 2013#59

AshburnerX

I desperately want to hear something about Runaways. The movie was supposed to come out in 2012 and I don't think they've ever officially come out and said it's been canned. Some news would be good, especially considering it's one of the few Marvel properties that didn't get terrible. It got weird, but not terrible.

Jul 21, 2013#60

ThatNickGuy

AshburnerX said:
I desperately want to hear something about Runaways. The movie was supposed to come out in 2012 and I don't think they've ever officially come out and said it's been canned. Some news would be good, especially considering it's one of the few Marvel properties that didn't get terrible. It got weird, but not terrible.

I stopped reading it after Vaughan left. From what I've heard, it sounded like the right call.

Jul 21, 2013#61

Bowielee

I just recently started reading Runaways through Marvel Unlimited, WHY DID I NOT READ THIS BEFORE?

Jul 21, 2013#62

AshburnerX

It's great right up til the end of the 2nd or third arc, then it gets weird and never recovers because Marvel seemed to think they should become an actual super hero team and not just a bunch of kids with powers trying to live away from just about anyone who would control them.

Really, I blame Joss Whedon. His stuff wasn't bad but it just completely changed the tone of the series for a while and it just never went back to normal.

Jul 21, 2013#63

ScytheRexx

Really glad they are going with Ultron. I really want the Avengers to be grounded on Earth for the most part. Thor and Guardians of the Galaxy can get into the whole universe part of the series. I was worried that either we would have AVENGERS IN SPACE or Thanos come down to Earth and pretty much suck because he couldn't do any big power plays. Ultron will fit better and has always been a classic enemy to the Avengers.

Though I am actually DISAPPOINTED that the second one will not have Pym. Can we at least get Wasp darn it?

Jul 21, 2013#64

Bowielee

I'm kind of concerned that without Pym, what Ultron's origin is going to be. He doesn't even have to be Ant Man, Yellowjacket, Giant Man, or any of the other fifty names he's gone by, just at least have him be the creator of Ultron.

Jul 21, 2013#65

ScytheRexx

Bowielee said:
I'm kind of concerned that without Pym, what Ultron's origin is going to be. He doesn't even have to be Ant Man, Yellowjacket, Giant Man, or any of the other fifty names he's gone by, just at least have him be the creator of Ultron.

Long ago they made a movie called "Next Avengers" about the Avengers having children, who are being raised by Tony Stark in the arctic after nearly the whole world was taken over by Ultron. In that movie they made no mention of Pym developing Ultron and instead said that Tony Stark developed him entirely. They might go that route. The recent cartoon even implied that Ultron was a combination of Pyrm and Tony's work.

Actually they did already set it up a bit in Iron Man 3, considering Tony had developed suits that could walk and fight on their own using the Jarvis AI. Maybe the story will go that with him "retiring" from his role as Iron Man, he makes another "suit" using a new sentient AI, which goes on to become Ultron.

Jul 21, 2013#66

Bowielee

Next Avengers was fucking terrible.

Jul 21, 2013#67

bhamv3

ScytheRexx said:
Long ago they made a movie called "Next Avengers" about the Avengers having children, who are being raised by Tony Stark in the arctic after nearly the whole world was taken over by Ultron. In that movie they made no mention of Pym developing Ultron and instead said that Tony Stark developed him entirely. They might go that route. The recent cartoon even implied that Ultron was a combination of Pyrm and Tony's work.

Actually they did already set it up a bit in Iron Man 3, considering Tony had developed suits that could walk and fight on their own using the Jarvis AI. Maybe the story will go that with him "retiring" from his role as Iron Man, he makes another "suit" using a new sentient AI, which goes on to become Ultron.

I could see this happening. Plus, it would allow RDJ to take a centerpiece role in the movie, which seems to suit both RDJ and the studio just fine.

Jul 21, 2013#68

ScytheRexx

Bowielee said:
Next Avengers was fucking terrible.

But it had Hulk with a beard! How awesome was that?

Jul 22, 2013#69

BananaHands

We should make a MCU thread and merge all of these! I want to comment on everything!

Jul 22, 2013#70

Sparhawk

I think it works better as separate threads since there are multiple release dates and discussion on one movie just flows better.

Jul 22, 2013#71

Frank

Since it's a big movie, I know Tom Kane won't do the voice, but he should. The Next Avengers (despite being unbelievably terrible) had him doing the voice and it was the only redeeming part of the movie.[DOUBLEPOST=1374535761][/DOUBLEPOST]

Tress said:
Who's the first?

Dr. Doom

Jul 22, 2013#72

bhamv3

Frank said:
Since it's a big movie, I know Tom Kane won't do the voice, but he should. The Next Avengers (despite being unbelievably terrible) had him doing the voice and it was the only redeeming part of the movie.[DOUBLEPOST=1374535761][/DOUBLEPOST]

Dr. Doom

How pissed are you at what the Fantastic Four films did to him? I mean, seriously, Julian McMahon.

Jul 22, 2013#73

Tress

bhamv3 said:
How pissed are you at what the Fantastic Four films did to him? I mean, seriously, Julian McMahon.

Fantastic Four films? What are you talking about? They never made any.

Never.

Do you understand?

Jul 22, 2013#74

Charlie Don't Surf

Julian McMahon owned and was the best part of those movies

Jul 23, 2013#75

Bowielee

I kinda agree with charlie. I don't know why everyone hated Julian McMahon so much as doom. He was significantly arrogant and calculating for me.

Jul 23, 2013#76

Tress

Bowielee said:
I kinda agree with charlie. I don't know why everyone hated Julian McMahon so much as doom. He was significantly arrogant and calculating for me.

I agree. He did a solid job. But the rest of those movies were terrible, and I prefer to pretend they didn't exist.

Jul 23, 2013#77

bhamv3

Bowielee said:
I kinda agree with charlie. I don't know why everyone hated Julian McMahon so much as doom. He was significantly arrogant and calculating for me.

He did the best he could, but I felt he was horribly miscast. Arrogant and calculating, yes, but without any of the presence and gravitas of a major villain like Doom.

Though, of course, when it comes to miscast people in the Fantastic Four, we have Jessica Alba...

Jul 23, 2013#78

Ravenpoe

bhamv3 said:
He did the best he could, but I felt he was horribly miscast. Arrogant and calculating, yes, but without any of the presence and gravitas of a major villain like Doom.

Though, of course, when it comes to miscast people in the Fantastic Four, we have Jessica Alba...

To be fair, I don't know if Jessica Alba's poor performance was because of her acting ability, or simply very poor directing. I honestly haven't seen her in enough roles to get a judgment of her ability.

Jul 23, 2013#79

bhamv3

Ravenpoe said:
To be fair, I don't know if Jessica Alba's poor performance was because of her acting ability, or simply very poor directing. I honestly haven't seen her in enough roles to get a judgment of her ability.

I suspect poor directing has more than a little to do with it. The first movie was on TV recently, and I watched some of it, and I was struck by how much it felt like movie hackery. It was the cinematography, or the acting, or the effects, or the script, or something, I don't know. It just felt cheap and bad throughout.

Still though. Jessica Alba.

Jul 23, 2013#80

AshburnerX

Ravenpoe said:
To be fair, I don't know if Jessica Alba's poor performance was because of her acting ability, or simply very poor directing. I honestly haven't seen her in enough roles to get a judgment of her ability.

Poor directing. She's spoken out numerous times about how the director of the movies wanted her to just be a pretty face and basically refused to let her use her acting ability.

Jul 23, 2013#81

Gilgamesh

Anyone who thinks Julian McMahon did a solid job has never read a Dr.Doom book in their life.

Was he a good movie villain? Sure, he did some great acting as a villain.

Was he a solid/good Dr.Doom? Fuck no.

Jul 23, 2013#82

Bowielee

Gilgamesh said:
Anyone who thinks Julian McMahon did a solid job has never read a Dr.Doom book in their life.

Was he a good movie villain? Sure, he did some great acting as a villain.

Was he a solid/good Dr.Doom? Fuck no.

That there basically tells me that it wouldn't have mattered who was cast, you wouldn't have been satisfied with anyone.

Or, you're just kneejerk disagreeing with Charlie.

Jul 23, 2013#83

Gilgamesh

Bowielee said:
That there basically tells me that it wouldn't have mattered who was cast, you wouldn't have been satisfied with anyone.

Or, you're just kneejerk disagreeing with Charlie.

That made zero sense. Just because I think he made a good villain but not a good Doom suddenly that means noone can do a good Doom? Your train of thought is strange. There's different ways to play a villain, McMahon did a good one, just not a Doom style one.

Jul 23, 2013#84

Bowielee

Gilgamesh said:
That made zero sense. Just because I think he made a good villain but not a good Doom suddenly that means noone can do a good Doom? Your train of thought is strange. There's different ways to play a villain, McMahon did a good one, just not a Doom style one.

He was calculating, arrogant, manipulative, and self aggrandizing. I'm not really sure what books you were reading with Dr. Doom in them, but that pretty much is the character in a nutshell. The only thing that was extremely UN doom was the fact that they shoehorned in some love bullshit with Sue that is just... well, gross. But that's not the actor's fault, that's the writer's fault.

His performance in the second movie was way better because that didn't exist anymore.

Jul 23, 2013#85

Covar

watered down arrogance, hardly manipulative, and not that self-agrandizing. I have to agree with Gilgamesh, Movie Doom is hardly worthy of being called Doom.

Jul 23, 2013#86

Bowielee

Covar said:
watered down arrogance, hardly manipulative, and not that self-agrandizing. I have to agree with Gilgamesh, Movie Doom is hardly worthy of being called Doom.

It's sounding like you guys want some sort of over the top hammyness that would look stupid as hell on film.

Jul 23, 2013#87

Gilgamesh

Bowielee said:
It's sounding like you guys want some sort of over the top hammyness that would look stupid as hell on film.

No, but someone who genuinely strikes fear into his subordinates with a regal lord style to him instead of some evil CEO style villainy.

Jul 23, 2013#88

Bowielee

Gilgamesh said:
No, but someone who genuinely strikes fear into his subordinates with a regal lord style to him instead of some evil CEO style villainy.

See, there, you're blaming the actor for the shitty writing.

Jul 23, 2013#89

Covar

Bowielee said:
It's sounding like you guys want some sort of over the top hammyness that would look stupid as hell on film.

Considering this is in an Avengers thread about a sequel to a movie that did everything that "you can't do in a movie because it would look stupid as hell on film", yes. Doctor Doom chews the hell out of scenery and is chock full of over the top hammyness. That's a big part of what makes him the number one Marvel villain. Julian McMahon might has well been playing the Wizard.

Bowielee said:
See, there, you're blaming the actor for the shitty writing.

By that logic Halle Berry was a great Catwoman, it's not her fault the script was shit.

Jul 23, 2013#90

ThatNickGuy

Covar said:
By that logic Halle Berry was a great Catwoman, it's not her fault the script was shit.

She's a great actress, but there's only so much she could do with that writing.

But yeah, you know how Loki was in Avengers? Pompous, full of himself, believing that people should kneel before him because that's just how things should be? That's closer to what Doom should've been like. McMahon could've done that very well, and for what he was given, he acted well enough. But the way Doom was written was not Doom. He was closer to Lex Luthor.

Jul 23, 2013#91

Ravenpoe

Covar said:
By that logic Halle Berry was a great Catwoman, it's not her fault the script was shit.

Halle Berry gets big props for accepting her Raspberry award in person, though.

Jul 23, 2013#92

sixpackshaker

It takes a lot of people to make a terrible movie.

Jul 23, 2013#93

Charlie Don't Surf

Halle Berry was fucking AWFUL in Catwoman. I watched it. Everything about that was bad.

Jul 23, 2013#94

bhamv3

When I watched Catwoman, I couldn't even enjoy Halle Berry in a revealing catsuit. That's how bad the movie was.

Jul 24, 2013#95

IronBrig4

Dr. Doom is supposed to be hammy. In the comics he refers to himself in the third person and monologues every diabolical plan. "Dr. Doom now has the power to dominate the world and shape it to his will! You will all bow down and grovel, for your DOOM is at hand! Nyeh heh heh... nyeh heh heh! BAHAHAHA!!!" And yes, he's fighting Kiss in the below comic. The 70s must have been one hell of a decade.

Jul 24, 2013#96

filmfanatic

By the way, just to let folks know, there was a teaser clip to go along with the announcement of Age of Ultron.

Namely, it depicted Iron Man's helmet twisting and distorting into Ultron's head. They've said that Hank Pym won't be in it, so here's my theory at the moment:

Based upon Iron Man 3, I think that Tony Stark will create an Iron Man armor with its own artificial intelligence, so that there can still be an Iron Man to fight with the Avengers while he can focus his time on Pepper. Suffice to say that something goes wrong with the AI and results in Ultron.

Jul 24, 2013#97

ScytheRexx

filmfanatic said:
Based upon Iron Man 3, I think that Tony Stark will create an Iron Man armor with its own artificial intelligence, so that there can still be an Iron Man to fight with the Avengers while he can focus his time on Pepper. Suffice to say that something goes wrong with the AI and results in Ultron.

I totally called that a page back.

Jul 24, 2013#98

filmfanatic

ScytheRexx said:
I totally called that a page back.

Darn! Sorry about missing that.

Jul 24, 2013#99

ScytheRexx

filmfanatic said:
Darn! Sorry about missing that.

It's not like I have a monopoly on theories. Glad to see others think the same.

Jul 31, 2013#100

CynicismKills

Aaron Taylor Johnson (Kick-Ass) is Quicksilver. According to the recent cast-call, Stark will indeed be the creator of Ultron.

Jul 31, 2013#101

ScytheRexx

CynicismKills said:
Aaron Taylor Johnson (Kick-Ass) is Quicksilver. According to the recent cast-call, Stark will indeed be the creator of Ultron.

Having a Quicksilver without Magneto is going to be... weird.

Jul 31, 2013#102

Bowielee

ScytheRexx said:
Having a Quicksilver without Magneto is going to be... weird.

You mean because the character is almost exclusively defined by his daddy issues?

I'm obviously not the biggest Quicksilver fan, even if he was featured prominently in my favorite run of X-Factor.

Jul 31, 2013#103

ThatNickGuy

Eh, as I said before, Quicksilver is just as defined - if not more - as an Avenger as he is as Magneto's loin droppings. They could just have him and Scarlet Witch as former criminals looking to redeem themselves. That'd be the same as the comics, just without the mutant or Magneto connection. I think they can even use the term "mutant," but I don't know if the term is owned by Fox as well. But yeah, they could still be former terrorists or something, maybe even current terrorists at the start of the movie.

Of course, it'll be interesting to see what they do with him because, frankly speaking, he's not a very interesting character. Then again, I feel that way about the majority of X-Men characters. I find a lot of them very flat, defined by their powers or ethnicity. See: Gambit.

Jul 31, 2013#104

bhamv3

It'd be funny if they try to drop some not-so-subtle hints.

"Yeah, my dad was half German, half Irish. Died in a shootout in a tavern's basement, back in World War Two. Apparently he's also got some Spartan blood in him."

Aug 1, 2013#105

Frank

Quicksilver is great. He's a complete and total dick because all he wants to do is go 700 miles per hour at all times and everyone he knows mooooooooooooves sooooooooooooooooooooo sloooooooooooooooooow. I remember one line in an old comic where he described his life as being eternally in the slowest line of the DMV.

Aug 1, 2013#106

Bowielee

Frank said:
Quicksilver is great. He's a complete and total dick because all he wants to do is go 700 miles per hour at all times and everyone he knows mooooooooooooves sooooooooooooooooooooo sloooooooooooooooooow. I remember one line in an old comic where he described his life as being eternally in the slowest line of the DMV.

The bulk of his portrayal attributes his being a dick directly to his issues with Magneto, culminating ultimately in House of M where he uses his own sister to give his daddy the gift of power.

Aug 1, 2013#107

Shawn

Aug 1, 2013#108

klew

It seems that different movie studios have rights to certain characters and concepts. I recall earlier versions of Ultron being built of adamantium, is that still the case with Age of Ultron? Does Fox own the rights to adamantium and the word "mutants"? If Marvel is not going to have Hank Pym be the creator, I guess they change the material to vibranium, which does exist in the Marvel Studios Avengers universe. Then what about Quicksilver? Would he still be a mutant?[DOUBLEPOST=1375396506][/DOUBLEPOST]

AshburnerX said:
I desperately want to hear something about Runaways. The movie was supposed to come out in 2012 and I don't think they've ever officially come out and said it's been canned. Some news would be good, especially considering it's one of the few Marvel properties that didn't get terrible. It got weird, but not terrible.

http://io9.com/how-the-runaways-movie-that-never-happened-helped-to-fu-508826057

Aug 1, 2013#109

Bowielee

I am impressed that they were able to make the Iron Man armor look like the traditional Ultron.

Aug 29, 2013#110

Frank

James Spader is Ultron.

Meh.

Aug 29, 2013#111

Necronic

Who would you prefer?

Aug 29, 2013#112

Frank

Necronic said:
Who would you prefer?

I dunno, considering it's (probably) entirely a voice role it could be anyone really, James Spader seems like an odd choice there. I'm neither here nor there about it, which is why I meh'd it.

Aug 29, 2013#113

Necronic

Yeah, its weird to use someone so visually recognizeable for a voice role.. I saw your mention of Tom Kane on the previous page, would have been interestign. In fairness to Spader though, he doesn't have a bad voice. I never realized that until his stint on The Office. If he does a "Robert California" Ultron, that could be sseriously creepy.

Aug 29, 2013#114

Frank

Well, I knew Tom Kane wouldn't be voicing him as they don't cast voice actors in big movies. I guess, like with Affleck, I'll just wait and see. He doesn't have a terrible voice and obviously he did enough to win over the casting director. It's not like he's needed to add "star power" to the role since they've already got like 12 billion big name actors.

Aug 29, 2013#115

Necronic

More often than not the real make or break killer of one of these things isn't so much the actor, but the writing/directing. The discussion of Dr Doom on the previous page for instance. That was all writing/directing really. The actor is the only thing that will make a really good movie a great movie, but they are rarely what makes a movie bad.

edit: Not saying it isn't interesting who plays one of thse iconic characters.

Aug 29, 2013#116

Frank

Of course there could be so much modulation on his voice that he'll barely be recognizable, like Hugo Weaving in the Transformers movies.

Aug 29, 2013#117

evilmike

Perhaps this is a sign that Ultron will be more of a freak than you would normally expect for a main stream movie

Aug 29, 2013#118

Gryfter

This news does not bother me at all. Spader can provide a good deal of menace with his voice and from the FX of the first one, I am sure Ultron will look really cool. I have confidence that Whedon knows what he is doing.

Aug 29, 2013#119

drawn_inward

Yeah, I like Spader. He always seems villainous to me - more of a douchey villain, but a villain all the same.

Aug 29, 2013#120

BananaHands

There's no definite source, but there are rumors that Jarvis (Paul Bettany), in an attempt to hack Ultron, needs to make physical contact.

Vision, baby.

Aug 29, 2013#121

Anonymous

Spader and Bettany? Brokeback Avengers?

Aug 29, 2013#122

Dave

Sex, Lies and Artificial Intelligence?

Aug 29, 2013#123

ScytheRexx

Jarvis becoming the Vision would be wonderful.

Aug 29, 2013#124

Zappit

Necronic said:
Who would you prefer?

There is always only one answer for that question.

Tim Curry.

Aug 29, 2013#125

bhamv3

Zappit said:
There is always only one answer for that question.

Tim Curry.

I'd prefer Simon Templeman.

Aug 30, 2013#126

HCGLNS

I like Spader as Ultron. I take it as a sign that Ultron will be a corrupted version of Jarvis that takes over the Stark armour. Only because I am imagining Spader voice as a Bettanys voice going menacing instead of sarcastic.

Is Elisabeth Olson really going to be Scarlet Witch? That would make her quiet young.

Aug 30, 2013#127

filmfanatic

This just in: Bradley Cooper has been confirmed as Rocket Raccoon.

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=108375

EDIT:...Looks like the wrong thread. My apologies.

Aug 30, 2013#128

Bowielee

Y'know what I just realized? That movie poster isn't real, it's a deviant art picture.[DOUBLEPOST=1377913269,1377912915][/DOUBLEPOST]I don't see how people can think James Spader isn't perfect. An emotionless evil douchebag intent on destroying humanity. That's pretty much almost every role he's ever played.

Aug 31, 2013#129

Covar

I think Michael Shanks would a do a better job. :trolol:

Sep 25, 2013#130

evilmike

From Comic Con:

Sep 25, 2013#131

Ravenpoe

evilmike said:
From Comic Con:

Well, that was a quick takedown.

Sep 25, 2013#132

sixpackshaker

Why take down free advertising?

Sep 25, 2013#133

Shawn

sixpackshaker said:
Why take down free advertising?

Because Avengers 2 essentially sells itself.

Plus it's probably a recording of the footage. If Disney wants it to get out, they will release a high quality version themselves, and probably will.

Sep 26, 2013#134

ScytheRexx

Here it is again (at least I think, never saw the other one above), better quality. Looks like my theory that Tony Stark was going to end up being the creator of Ultron while attempting to make a AI to control his suit it pretty much a confirmed reality.

Sep 26, 2013#135

Bowielee

Fuck yeah, that was an Ultron ass looking Ultron!

Sep 27, 2013#136

Shawn

2015 is such a long wait.

Sep 27, 2013#137

ThatNickGuy

Shawnacy said:
2015 is such a long wait.

Psh! Speak for yourself. Now, could you pass me that screwdriver? I need a hand putting together this cryogenic chamber.

Sep 27, 2013#138

bhamv3

ThatNickGuy said:
Psh! Speak for yourself. Now, could you pass me that screwdriver? I need a hand putting together this cryogenic chamber.

Yeah, and then the next thing you know there's this guy in a lab coat and a dramatic voice, going "Welcome to the world of TOMORROW!"

Sep 27, 2013#139

Sparhawk

bhamv3 said:
Yeah, and then the next thing you know there's this guy in a lab coat and a dramatic voice, going "Welcome to the world of TOMORROW!"

He would be greeted by Walt Disney when he comes out of the chamber?

Just made me think about the promotional videos for EPCOT when they started the early ideas for that park.

Sep 27, 2013#140

Covar

Sparhawk said:
He would be greeted by Walt Disney when he comes out of the chamber?

Just made me think about the promotional videos for EPCOT when they started the early ideas for that park.

Haven't you ever heard of a little thing called showmanship?

Come your DESTINY AWAITS!

Sep 27, 2013#141

Sparhawk

I was just meaning what I typed, it made me think of The Wonderful Wold of Disney that used to show on Sunday nights, and they'd show the old promo reels that Walt made about EPCOT. (and of course the modern take of that with Tony Stark and his dad with the Stark Expo stuff in IM2) It's a happy memory for me, and Bhamv3's post made me this about that this morning.

Sep 27, 2013#142

sixpackshaker

Oct 3, 2013#143

Frank

Samuel L. Jackson dropped that Elizabeth Olsen (the younger sister to Mary-Kate and Ashley and with more talent than both combined) has been cast as Scarlet Witch.

Oct 3, 2013#144

Charlie Don't Surf

whoa, she's a really good actress

Oct 3, 2013#145

Gilgamesh

Frank said:
Samuel L. Jackson dropped that Elizabeth Olsen (the younger sister to Mary-Kate and Ashley and with more talent than both combined) has been cast as Scarlet Witch.

SCARLET WITCH?! YEEEEEEESSSSSS!

Jan 15, 2014#146

Gryfter

Baron Von Strucker is going to be in the next one and he has been cast.

http://io9.com/avengers-age-of-ultron-finds-and-casts-its-second-v-1502076286

Jan 15, 2014#147

CynicismKills

Rumor has it John Hamm is in talks to play Dr. Strange in the next phase of Marvel movies.

Jan 16, 2014#148

AshburnerX

CynicismKills said:
Rumor has it John Hamm is in talks to play Dr. Strange in the next phase of Marvel movies.

I've heard similar rumors about Johnny Depp for some reason.

Jan 16, 2014#149

Bowielee

AshburnerX said:
I've heard similar rumors about Johnny Depp for some reason.

That was brief and turned out to be unsubstantiated.

Jan 16, 2014#150

bhamv3

Bowielee said:
That was brief and turned out to be unsubstantiated.

Would've been interesting though. Imagine Depp's trademark cocky grin on Dr. Strange.

Jan 16, 2014#151

BananaHands

HAIL HYDRA

Jan 16, 2014#152

Necronic

That's a bit of a strange choice. Strange always struck me as someone who should be played by a Shakespearian actor.

I just can't see Hamm saying "By the hoary hosts of Haggoth!"

Jan 16, 2014#153

ThatNickGuy

Someone elsewhere on the net suggested Liam Neeson for Dr. Strange. Which I think would be awesome if he wasn't getting up there in age now.

Jan 19, 2014#154

Bowielee

Necronic said:
That's a bit of a strange choice. Strange always struck me as someone who should be played by a Shakespearian actor.

I just can't see Hamm saying "By the hoary hosts of Haggoth!"

I can definitely see him playing "pre-accident" Strange. Hell he practically WAS Don Draper before he became humbled.

Jan 20, 2014#155

BananaHands

Necronic said:
That's a bit of a strange choice. Strange always struck me as someone who should be played by a Shakespearian actor.

I just can't see Hamm saying "By the hoary hosts of Haggoth!"

Strange choice.

You son of a bitch.

Feb 7, 2014#156

filmfanatic

Looks like J.A.R.V.I.S. is getting an upgrade.

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=114568

Feb 7, 2014#157

evilmike

Although it sounds as if the movie is getting a bit crowded, it seems like a natural fit in the movie given the characters ties to Ultron and to the Scarlett Witch.

And now, Latino Review is reporting that another Marvel character will be in Avengers 2 -- Ms. Marvel. If this is true, and it's hard not to take it with a grain of salt considering they can't even get her name right in the article, I suspect the character will appear as Carol Danvers which provides a lead in to a Phase 3 project in 2017.

Feb 7, 2014#158

bhamv3

I feel like they're introducing characters just to kill them off. The Chitauri blew up New York? Yawn, they were up against civilians and beat cops with pistols. But if you see Ultron effortlessly murder a powerful superhero, now you know the shit's hit the fan.

Feb 7, 2014#159

evilmike

I can't imagine Captain Marvel would be introduced just to be killed off.

It does make sense to put her in Avengers 2 if, for no other reason, because the studio can claim bragging rights by getting her on the big screen before Wonder Woman.

Feb 7, 2014#160

Covar

evilmike said:
I can't imagine Captain Marvel would be introduced just to be killed off.

It does make sense to put her in Avengers 2 if, for no other reason, because the studio can claim bragging rights by getting her on the big screen before Wonder Woman.

That's not hard. Making a Captain Marvel movie would be far easier than any Wonder Woman movie. Simple reason? You can get 5 Captain Marvel fans in a room and get them to agree what kind of movie they would like. You ask 5 WW fans what kind of movie they would like and you'll get 5 different answers, ranging from WWII movie to Angry Lesbian who hates all men.

Feb 8, 2014#161

BananaHands

I'd really dig it if Carol Danvers is in Avengers 2, you know... just some ace pilot that gets a quick scene.

Aren't the Kree in GotG or am I making that up?

Feb 8, 2014#162

filmfanatic

BananaHands said:
I'd really dig it if Carol Danvers is in Avengers 2, you know... just some ace pilot that gets a quick scene.

Aren't the Kree in GotG or am I making that up?

I don't know to what extent we'll get the Kree, but I know the film's main villain will be Ronan the Accuser. Here, he's serving as an agent of Thanos.

Feb 8, 2014#163

BananaHands

filmfanatic said:
Here, he's serving as an agent of Thanos.

Hm.

Feb 8, 2014#164

filmfanatic

BananaHands said:
Hm.

Indeed. We'll have to see what happens. But aside from the question of the Kree, we'll also have the Nova Corps in the film.

Feb 8, 2014#165

BananaHands

BananaHands said:
There's no definite source, but there are rumors that Jarvis (Paul Bettany), in an attempt to hack Ultron, needs to make physical contact.

Vision, baby.

Aw hey my rumor bin was actually correct! 8)

That makes be bummed for what they told me about Cap 2.

Feb 11, 2014#166

evilmike

Filming is underway in Johannesburg.

Mar 18, 2014#167

filmfanatic

Marvel has released a few pieces of concept art, among them their concepts for Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver.

Mar 18, 2014#168

Ravenpoe

Too bad their dad can't be in the movie.

Mar 18, 2014#169

ThatNickGuy

I'd prefer a silver-haired Quicksilver, but it's still not bad look.

Also, I would've loved to see Wanda in her European gypsy look ala Busiek & Perez' Avengers run, but again, I'm okay with this look.

Mar 18, 2014#170

bhamv3

Does that Scarlet Witch pic remind anyone else of Sarah Michelle Gellar's Buffy?

Mar 18, 2014#171

HCGLNS

What no Hulk Buster?

Mar 18, 2014#172

filmfanatic

HCGLNS said:
What no Hulk Buster?

Actually...

Mar 18, 2014#173

sixpackshaker

It looks like Hulk Buster is in, concept art shown in the Marvel Special tonight. They even showed a bit of Ant-Man at the end of the show without mentioning the character.[DOUBLEPOST=1395195984,1395195941][/DOUBLEPOST]ninja'ed

Mar 18, 2014#174

AshburnerX

I'm pretty sure the Hulk Buster was in Iron Man 3 as one of the suits that Tony remotes in during the finale.

Mar 18, 2014#175

Sparhawk

They also showed a giant sized Hulk-Buster hand with repulsor as one of the props.

Mar 18, 2014#176

ScytheRexx

It makes sense to me that they would have Hulk and Tony fight, after how much they were presented as bros in the last one. Also, it seems Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are going to start out as antagonists.

I'd prefer a silver-haired Quicksilver, but it's still not bad look.

I bet the change was a big design choice. Not only does it mean not having to deal with wigs or dying, but it officially severs the biggest aesthetic cross over with his comic father, which they have to do considering it's right now impossible for both characters to exist in the same movie universe. Though it does make his name a little silly.

Mar 18, 2014#177

CynicismKills

MOTHER

FUCKING

HULKBUSTER

God I am super hyped now.

Also the Ant Man footage looked awesome! I loved the effect used for his size changing and how he used it in that fight.

Mar 19, 2014#178

Frank

ScytheRexx said:
It makes sense to me that they would have Hulk and Tony fight, after how much they were presented as bros in the last one. Also, it seems Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are going to start out as antagonists.

I bet the change was a big design choice. Not only does it mean not having to deal with wigs or dying, but it officially severs the biggest aesthetic cross over with his comic father, which they have to do considering it's right now impossible for both characters to exist in the same movie universe. Though it does make his name a little silly.

He still looks...I dunno, INFINITELY better than his X-Men movie counterself.

Mar 19, 2014#179

checkeredhat

Sparhawk said:
They also showed a giant sized Hulk-Buster hand with repulsor as one of the props.

Mar 19, 2014#180

BananaHands

Unf. Hulkbuster.

Mar 19, 2014#181

Fun Size

Someone elsewhere wondered if the Hulkbuster could be driven by Ultron.

I am intrigued.

Mar 19, 2014#182

ThatNickGuy

They could also briefly blame Tony for Ultron. Banner, in particular, feels betrayed because of how much he and Tony got along.

Mar 19, 2014#183

IronBrig4

My friends in Korea are saying that filming is about to start in our old neighborhood. Looks like Korea will be in Avengers 2.

Mar 19, 2014#184

Celt Z

I'm a teensy bit disappointed with Scarlet Witch's concept art. It's not bad, but I was hoping they would make her a little bit more super-hero-y. Obviously, they can't do a direct translation because it would look a bit silly, but tweak it a bit so it looks somewhere in the middle of "live-action believability" and "signature Wanda". Kinda like they did for ...basically everyone but Iron Man. Or maybe just work a little more red into the costume besides the jacket.

While I'm sure this was planned, I watched the special last night and it amuses me how much of Marvel Phase 2, as far as designs and characters, were included in LEGO Marvel Superheroes. I thought some of the character options and designs were odd at first, but it all makes sense now. And the irony that out of all the playable X-Men, Rogue was cut out of LMS, too.

Mar 19, 2014#185

CynicismKills

I think part of the problem, though, is most of the uniforms used in Avengers were pulled mainly from the Ultimate universe. Cap's costumes in Winter Soldier are also inspired by costumes he's used pretty recently in the 616. Scarlet Witch has never really had a costume that wasn't out there in X-Men spandex-land, save maybe for this one:

Spoiler'd for image size. Without the big cowl it might be useable, but then it's pretty much just street clothes.

Mar 19, 2014#186

tegid

Well, they had these costumes when they first joined the Ultimates. Not very memorable.

Mar 19, 2014#187

CynicismKills

Ah, forgot about those. Guess that proves your point, though, hah.

Mar 19, 2014#188

ScytheRexx

Considering they start out as antagonists, ones that likely will be like super powered street thugs, I think the outfits are fine. They are trying to make this one realistic, and I don't imagine Quicksilver trying to rob a bank in super bright silver spandex, or Wanda walking around in a cape. All that may come later when they are officially "super heroes".

Mar 20, 2014#189

Celt Z

I forgot to mention in my original post, the thing I'm happiest about in the concept art is that, hero or villain, at least they put her in an outfit that looks like he can run and move without worry of flashing someone. An actual shirt, a jacket, what appears to be legging under the skirt... good choices.

I was trying to find a bigger shot of the concept art, and I came across this. I think this would be an awesome direction to take Wanda's uniform (once she goes hero).
Although, maybe a change here or there in the details so she doesn't look like a red Mal Reynolds.

Mar 22, 2014#190

Frank

I seriously hope Quicksilver gets one of these moments in the movie:

Mar 22, 2014#191

bhamv3

Who's faster, Quicksilver or the Flash?

Mar 22, 2014#192

Sparhawk

bhamv3 said:
Who's faster, Quicksilver or the Flash?

Marvel published book or DC published book? :devil:

Other than that statement, I ain't touchin' that.

Mar 22, 2014#193

ThatNickGuy

bhamv3 said:
Who's faster, Quicksilver or the Flash?

Flash. He can tap into the Speed Force.

Mar 22, 2014#194

AshburnerX

Yeah, I'd say the Flash. He's completely defined by his speed, but Quicksilver is more defined by being Magento's son.

Mar 22, 2014#195

Bowielee

Quicksilver's not fast enough to run through time and dimensions, so yeah, Flash is way faster.[DOUBLEPOST=1395499395,1395499306][/DOUBLEPOST]I ALWAYS hated the Scarlet Witch's cowl.

Mar 22, 2014#196

mikerc

bhamv3 said:
Who's faster, Quicksilver or the Flash?

Quicksilver tops out at about Mach 10, the Flash can run faster than the speed of light (because screw physics, this is COMICS!).

In practical terms both run at the speed of plot.[DOUBLEPOST=1395501864,1395501718][/DOUBLEPOST]

Celt Z said:
I forgot to mention in my original post, the thing I'm happiest about in the concept art is that, hero or villain, at least they put her in an outfit that looks like he can run and move without worry of flashing someone. An actual shirt, a jacket, what appears to be legging under the skirt... good choices.

I was trying to find a bigger shot of the concept art, and I came across this. I think this would be an awesome direction to take Wanda's uniform (once she goes hero).
Although, maybe a change here or there in the details so she doesn't look like a red Mal Reynolds.

I have no problem with Scarlet Witch being a rule 63'd Mal Reynolds.

Mar 22, 2014#197

Covar

bhamv3 said:
Who's faster, Quicksilver or the Flash?

Flash, not even a contest. Even when they have crossovers it's not even close.

Mar 22, 2014#198

IronBrig4

Wanda's outfit kinda reminds me of Carmen Sandiego.

Mar 24, 2014#199

CynicismKills

Some set pictures of Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver have popped up, with special guest Hawkeye.

SW in streets isn't bad, I guess. QS would be alright if it wasn't for the Backstreet Boys-ish beard/bowl cut.

Mar 24, 2014#200

checkeredhat

CynicismKills said:
Some set pictures of Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver have popped up, with special guest Hawkeye.

QS would be alright if it wasn't for the Backstreet Boys-ish beard/bowl cut.

1) Backstreet Boys? I thought of BASEketball

2) I actually think it looks fine.

Mar 24, 2014#201

CynicismKills

Either way he looks like the man the 90's forgot.

Mar 24, 2014#202

Frank

Still looks better than the Days of Future Past version. Also, those outfits definitely look pre-Avengers super hero getups.

Also, not seen in those shots is the stand-in guy for Ultron. Even the stand-in looks pretty BA.

Mar 24, 2014#203

bhamv3

CynicismKills said:
Some set pictures of Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver have popped up, with special guest Hawkeye.

SW in streets isn't bad, I guess. QS would be alright if it wasn't for the Backstreet Boys-ish beard/bowl cut.

BEWBS!!!

In other news, I think they look fine. I'm sure with all the post-processing and special effects that'll go in, everything will be all right.

Mar 24, 2014#204

Ravenpoe

Frank said:

Why is Michael Bay's Megatron so sad?

Mar 24, 2014#205

CynicismKills

I'm going to pretend that's James Spader walking around in there, because that would be hilarious.

Mar 30, 2014#206

Frank

From the set of Avengers 2. Costume looks much better than Avengers thus far.

Mar 30, 2014#207

ScytheRexx

Looks like almost the same outfit from Winter Soldier, only going back to a few of his old color schemes and adding back more stripes.

Apr 29, 2014#208

evilmike

Robert Downy Jr has posted a few pictures to his Twitter account:

Apr 29, 2014#209

Hailey Knight

That table shot is adorable.

Jul 16, 2014#210

Gryfter

I'll just put this here....

Jul 16, 2014#211

filmfanatic

Gryfter said:
I'll just put this here....

That's a solid look for Ultron.

Also, I came across what exactly Entertainment Weekly has to report about the film. Apparently, Tony designs Ultron as a tool to help the Avengers and deal with incidents to help lessen the load for the team. However, things go wrong when Ultron decides that, in order to make the world safe, it's going to have to take control of it.

Jul 16, 2014#212

ThatNickGuy

Wantwantwantwantwantwantwantwantwantwant!

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filmfanatic said:
That's a solid look for Ultron.

Also, I came across what exactly Entertainment Weekly has to report about the film. Apparently, Tony designs Ultron as a tool to help the Avengers and deal with incidents to help lessen the load for the team. However, things go wrong when Ultron decides that, in order to make the world safe, it's going to have to take control of it.

*nods* So it's basically Ultron's origin minus Pym. Shame, but having Tony do it makes sense, too.

Jul 16, 2014#213

CynicismKills

Considering all the focus on his suits being able to auto-pilot in IM3 it makes sense, but it does suck we won't get the Pym angle as that's something pretty big for the character.

Jul 16, 2014#214

Espy

Looking good.

Jul 16, 2014#215

bhamv3

Is it weird for me to hope that Ultron turns out to be bigger than how he appears in that picture? Because I think that'd make him more imposing.

Otherwise, good look.

Jul 16, 2014#216

ThatNickGuy

bhamv3 said:
Is it weird for me to hope that Ultron turns out to be bigger than how he appears in that picture? Because I think that'd make him more imposing.

Otherwise, good look.

Size has never Ultron's strength, though.

Jul 16, 2014#217

filmfanatic

ThatNickGuy said:
Size has never Ultron's strength, though.

Yeah. Besides that, there's the army of Ultron drones that he's got goin' for him, so that's nice.

Jul 16, 2014#218

bhamv3

True true. I'll admit I'm not too familiar with Ultron, but if he's merely human-sized, I can imagine Hulk going all "puny robot" on him.

Jul 16, 2014#219

filmfanatic

bhamv3 said:
True true. I'll admit I'm not too familiar with Ultron, but if he's merely human-sized, I can imagine Hulk going all "puny robot" on him.

He is human-sized, but his body is generally made from adamantium (or at least the closest thing to it). So, Hulk might say "puny robot", but it's going to take a big beating to get a dent on Ultron.

Jul 16, 2014#220

Celt Z

ThatNickGuy said:
Size has never Ultron's strength, though.

That's what she said! :awesome:

(To break up the usual "prom night" schtick.)

Jul 16, 2014#221

sixpackshaker

Celt Z said:
That's what she said!

(To break up the usual "prom night" schtick.)

That's what Nick said.

Jul 16, 2014#222

ThatNickGuy

Celt Z said:
That's what she said!

(To break up the usual "prom night" schtick.)

To be fair, I don't think a prom night joke would fit there, anyway.

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filmfanatic said:
He is human-sized, but his body is generally made from adamantium (or at least the closest thing to it). So, Hulk might say "puny robot", but it's going to take a big beating to get a dent on Ultron.

While I have a feeling they can't legally use adamantium, they COULD have him re-make himself in Vibranium. Not only has it already been established via Cap's shield, but it could set up Black Panther for a future movie.

Jul 16, 2014#223

Gryfter

ThatNickGuy said:
To be fair, I don't think a prom night joke would fit there, anyway.

(Also, of course I don't notice until after it's been quoted that the sentence should have read "Strength has never been Ultron's strength.)[DOUBLEPOST=1405562778,1405562700][/DOUBLEPOST]

While I have a feeling they can't legally use adamantium, they COULD have him re-make himself in Vibranium. Not only has it already been established via Cap's shield, but it could set up Black Panther for a future movie.

As well as already being "discovered" by Stark in IM2.

Jul 17, 2014#224

filmfanatic

ThatNickGuy said:
While I have a feeling they can't legally use adamantium, they COULD have him re-make himself in Vibranium. Not only has it already been established via Cap's shield, but it could set up Black Panther for a future movie.

That makes sense, considering how Wakanda will be a location in the film, if I remember correctly.

Also, read some more of what Entertainment Weekly had to say. It turns out that Ultron isn't looking to rule. To him, the key to world peace is the elimination of the problem: namely, the human race.

Jul 17, 2014#225

Celt Z

filmfanatic said:
To him, the key to world peace is the elimination of the problem: namely, the human race.

Didn't we just do that with the Sentinels in Days of Future Past? I don't mind if that's the case, because XM-DoFP was full of plot-holes (though still enjoyable) and I'll trust Joss Whedon to make things more coherent. Hopefully.

(Edited because colons are only used for eyeballs now.)

Jul 17, 2014#226

filmfanatic

Celt Z said:
Didn't we just do that with the Sentinels in Days of Future Past? I don't mind if that's the case, because XMoFP was full of plot-holes (though still enjoyable) and I'll trust Joss Whedon to make things more coherent. Hopefully.

Well, the Sentinels aren't that geared for at least explaining their rationale in detail. Apparently, one example of dialogue from Ultron in the film is, "I know you're 'good' people. I know you mean well, but you just didn't think it through. There is only one path to peace: your extermination."

Also, Ultron is apparently going to have touches of Tony Stark's personality, sort of like how in the comics he was modeled off of Pym's brain patterns. I must say, it will be interesting to see how James Spader does as Ultron.

Jul 17, 2014#227

BananaHands

I just want a scene in this film where Thor gets knocked back by Ultron and drops his hammer, only for Cap to pick it up and hand it back to Thor. They don't even need to address this more than Thor looking somewhat confused before running back into the fray.

Jul 17, 2014#228

sixpackshaker

Cap is most worthy...

Jul 17, 2014#229

Hailey Knight

BananaHands said:
I just want a scene in this film where Thor gets knocked back by Ultron and drops his hammer, only for Cap to pick it up and hand it back to Thor. They don't even need to address this more than Thor looking somewhat confused before running back into the fray.

I would love that, except that my wife's reaction months ago when I told her Steve could pick up the hammer was overbearing giddiness, and I don't know if we can handle an internet population's worth of that.

Jul 17, 2014#230

filmfanatic

More news from Entertainment Weekly, this time about Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch. Specifically, they'll show up not only as antagonists to the Avengers, but they'll be working alongside Ultron.

Also, Joss Whedon has all but confirmed J.A.R.V.I.S. becoming the Vision.

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=120728

Jul 17, 2014#231

ThatNickGuy

I hope they're not introducing TOO many characters all at once. Between Ultron, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, Vision, all the characters from the previous film, possible appearances from second stringers like War Machine and Falcon (as rumoured), AND a possible cameo by Black Panther, this movie is starting to feel awfully crowded.

Jul 17, 2014#232

CynicismKills

filmfanatic said:
More news from Entertainment Weekly, this time about Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch. Specifically, they'll show up not only as antagonists to the Avengers, but they'll be working alongside Ultron.

Also, Joss Whedon has all but confirmed J.A.R.V.I.S. becoming the Vision.

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=120728

Considering Bettany was cast awhile ago as Vision, and has been voicing Jarvis, I think people knew that was coming.

Jul 17, 2014#233

AshburnerX

ThatNickGuy said:
I hope they're not introducing TOO many characters all at once. Between Ultron, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, Vision, all the characters from the previous film, possible appearances from second stringers like War Machine and Falcon (as rumoured), AND a possible cameo by Black Panther, this movie is starting to feel awfully crowded.

There's an image of Don Cheadle talking to the rest of the Avengers out there. He's definitely in the movie, but who knows if it's as War Machine.

Jul 17, 2014#234

Shawn

So maybe this had been covered but i take it the Quicksilver in the new X men movie is not the same as the one in the new film?

Jul 17, 2014#235

ThatNickGuy

Shawnacy said:
So maybe this had been covered but i take it the Quicksilver in the new X men movie is not the same as the one in the new film?

Since Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch (who made a brief cameo as Quicksilver's little sister in DoFP) are synonymous with BOTH X-Men and Avengers, they were apparently up for grabs for both studios. Some would argue they have stronger ties with Avengers than with X-Men, since historically, they spent more time with the Avengers for decades than with the X-Men.

Their relationship with Magneto was rarely brought up after they joined the team. They really broke away from his shadow for a long time. It'd be mentioned once in awhile or maybe when the Avengers crossed over or teamed up with the X-Men, but aside from that, they were their own characters. It wasn't until about ten years ago, when Marvel did Disassembled and House of M that they were tied in more closely with Magneto again.

But yeah, back to the original question? Basically, since they have strong ties in both franchises, they were kind of open for grabs. I thought it was a dibs thing, like whichever studio could debut them first had exclusive rights, but apparently not.

Jul 17, 2014#236

filmfanatic

ThatNickGuy said:
Since Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch (who made a brief cameo as Quicksilver's little sister in DoFP) are synonymous with BOTH X-Men and Avengers, they were apparently up for grabs for both studios. Some would argue they have stronger ties with Avengers than with X-Men, since historically, they spent more time with the Avengers for decades than with the X-Men.

Their relationship with Magneto was rarely brought up after they joined the team. They really broke away from his shadow for a long time. It'd be mentioned once in awhile or maybe when the Avengers crossed over or teamed up with the X-Men, but aside from that, they were their own characters. It wasn't until about ten years ago, when Marvel did Disassembled and House of M that they were tied in more closely with Magneto again.

But yeah, back to the original question? Basically, since they have strong ties in both franchises, they were kind of open for grabs. I thought it was a dibs thing, like whichever studio could debut them first had exclusive rights, but apparently not.

Actually, what had happened was that an arrangement was settled between Marvel and Fox on their film rights. Namely, Fox can use Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch but can't mention anything related to the Avengers, while Marvel Studios can use them but can't mention their relationship to the X-men or the fact that they're mutants.

Jul 17, 2014#237

ThatNickGuy

filmfanatic said:
Actually, what had happened was that an arrangement was settled between Marvel and Fox on their film rights. Namely, Fox can use Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch but can't mention anything related to the Avengers, while Marvel Studios can use them but can't mention their relationship to the X-men or the fact that they're mutants.

That's a pretty easy thing to do, then, since as I said, they're easily synonymous with both sides for different reasons. They can be mutants without ever being Avengers and they can be Avengers that have super powers without being mutants. Heck, I hear talk that since they can't use mutants, they're going to introduce The Inhumans into the Marvel film universe. Which, as luck would have it, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch have ties to.

Jul 17, 2014#238

filmfanatic

ThatNickGuy said:
That's a pretty easy thing to do, then, since as I said, they're easily synonymous with both sides for different reasons. They can be mutants without ever being Avengers and they can be Avengers that have super powers without being mutants. Heck, I hear talk that since they can't use mutants, they're going to introduce The Inhumans into the Marvel film universe. Which, as luck would have it, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch have ties to.

That is precisely what I think will happen. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. dropped plenty of hints related to the Inhumans near the end of the first season, and I mentioned earlier in the "Comic News" thread how in the comics there was the reveal of an Inhuman gene present in mankind. My bet is that Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are folks whose Inhuman genes have become active, thus giving them their powers.

Jul 25, 2014#239

evilmike

Marvel produced a series of concept posters for Age of Ultron which are available at SDCC. Here are the ones that have been released so far:

(via ComingSoon.net)

Jul 25, 2014#240

Celt Z

Has anyone tired assembling* them yet? I know it's missing Hulk, Thor, possible Fury, etc. but it looks like some of those link up already.

(*Heh heh.. "assemble")

Jul 25, 2014#241

Gryfter

Oooooo is that Vision floating in the air in the last one? Sweet!

Also the Hulk and Thor ones are missing but you can see where they connect (Hulk in the Black Widow one and Thor in the Quicksilver one).

Jul 25, 2014#242

Covar

VISION!!!!!!!!

Jul 25, 2014#243

CynicismKills

Digging the look of Stark's armor, too, hopefully that's the mainstay suit for the movie.

Also, to echo, VISION!

Jul 25, 2014#244

AshburnerX

Celt Z said:
Has anyone tired assembling* them yet? I know it's missing Hulk, Thor, possible Fury, etc. but it looks like some of those link up already.

(*Heh heh.. "assemble")

Hawkeye and Scarlet Witch have edges that connect, so yeah... it's all one big poster. Thing is, we're missing Hulk, Thor, and War Machine so you can't connect the rest of them.

Jul 25, 2014#245

tegid

They are all linked at the end of this gallery!
http://www.newsarama.com/21665-more-new-avengers-age-of-ultron-concept-art-posters.html

The poster seems to be complete minus the Hulk and Thor pieces

Jul 25, 2014#246

AshburnerX

tegid said:
They are all linked at the end of this gallery!
http://www.newsarama.com/21665-more-new-avengers-age-of-ultron-concept-art-posters.html

The poster seems to be complete minus the Hulk and Thor pieces

Can't get it to open, even after disabling adblock and noscript.

Jul 25, 2014#247

CynicismKills

Wanda staring right at the "camera" is a bit odd, but it's a pretty cool piece when it's all put together.

Jul 25, 2014#248

Sparhawk

AshburnerX said:
Can't get it to open, even after disabling adblock and noscript.

No problems opening it, could it be your java or flash needs updating?

Jul 25, 2014#249

AshburnerX

Sparhawk said:
No problems opening it, could it be your java or flash needs updating?

It might be Java. I keep getting errors when I try to update it.

Jul 25, 2014#250

filmfanatic

Here are the Avengers 2 posters (that we know of thus far) assembled.

Jul 25, 2014#251

ThatNickGuy

See, I guess I don't understand why they're bothering not to reveal the whole thing now. Hulk and Thor were obviously going to be in the new one. If anything, the shot of Vision is the bigger spoiler (even if it's been all over various news spots).

That said, I hope they plan on selling that poster, because I want to buy it.

On a related note, I'm curious to see how they're going to tackle and juggle the growing roster. It's a lot easier to do in comics, obviously. Heck, you can have a roster as big as 20+. I know adding only three members to the current six isn't a big leap, but it's still a 30% increase in people on-screen.

Jul 25, 2014#252

AshburnerX

ThatNickGuy said:
On a related note, I'm curious to see how they're going to tackle and juggle the growing roster. It's a lot easier to do in comics, obviously. Heck, you can have a roster as big as 20+. I know adding only three members to the current six isn't a big leap, but it's still a 30% increase in people on-screen.

Hulk an Thor will probably get the shaft again and NO ONE cares about Hawkeye. Vision is probably a last act trump card, so it's more like 4 characters with things that need to be addressed.

- What Cap's been doing since Cap 2. Widow too.
- What Tony's been doing since Ironman 3 (probably fucking up by building Ultron)
- Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch's story.

Jul 25, 2014#253

Ravenpoe

CynicismKills said:
Wanda staring right at the "camera" is a bit odd, but it's a pretty cool piece when it's all put together.

She's not staring at the camera, she's staring down at the ultronbot head she's asploding.

Also, my bet is they're hiding Thor because surprise, he's gonna be a woman now.

And Hulk is played by yet another actor.

*pretty sure neither of these are true, but I'm waging my bets now.

Jul 25, 2014#254

AshburnerX

Female Thor would be SUPER ballsy. I almost wish it would happen, if only so they can spend all of the next Thor movie explaining it.

Jul 26, 2014#255

Shawn

AshburnerX said:
Female Thor would be SUPER ballsy. I almost wish it would happen, if only so they can spend all of the next Thor movie explaining it.

"I felt like a Goddess in a God's body."

Jul 26, 2014#256

Sparhawk

Last two posters have been posted by... well everyone that's been posting them.

http://www.newsarama.com/21711-inte...ltron-concept-art-poster-the-whole-thing.html

Jul 26, 2014#257

filmfanatic

Here's the whole poster set together:

Jul 26, 2014#258

CynicismKills

I can't wait to see how they deal with Pietro and Wanda's powers. I was really surprised at how ridiculously cool the slo-mo scene was in DoFP, and I hope they can find a way to make this Quicksilver's powers seem as fun to watch.

Jul 26, 2014#259

ThatNickGuy

Oh yeah. I want that for a poster.

Jul 26, 2014#260

Espy

Poor Hawkeye. He looks like he's about to cry.

Jul 26, 2014#261

filmfanatic

Josh Brolin decided to show up to the Marvel Studios panel in style.

Jul 27, 2014#262

Frank

I bet Diane Lane's glad she divorced him before he got that.

Jul 27, 2014#263

Celt Z

Frank said:
I bet Diane Lane's glad she divorced him before he got that.

I was going to Brofist this comment, then I realized how innpropreate/ironic that would be...

Jul 27, 2014#264

ThatNickGuy

Buzz Aldrin has the Infinity Gauntlet. Your argument is invalid.

Jul 27, 2014#265

sixpackshaker

I want to read the rest of that T-Shirt

found it.

Get your ass to MARS

Jul 27, 2014#266

filmfanatic

So...looks like shit's gonna go down when Ultron throws down.

Jul 27, 2014#267

bhamv3

Hmm... that probably confirms Ultron's going to be made of vibranium.

Jul 27, 2014#268

filmfanatic

bhamv3 said:
Hmm... that probably confirms Ultron's going to be made of vibranium.

It will probably be one of the later versions of him in the film. I read a report talking about the Age of Ultron footage they showed and one of Ultron's earlier forms is made from an older Iron Man suit.

Jul 27, 2014#269

figmentPez

ThatNickGuy said:
Buzz Aldrin has the Infinity Gauntlet. Your argument is invalid.

Is that Tamara Krinsky on the right? Oh, yes, yes it is.

Jul 27, 2014#270

filmfanatic

...And now we have a little look at the first version of Ultron, in a wrecked and disheveled form.

Jul 28, 2014#271

Espy

filmfanatic said:
So...looks like shit's gonna go down when Ultron throws down.

I hope that isn't really a spoiler for what would obviously be a huge moment in the film.

Jul 28, 2014#272

filmfanatic

Espy said:
I hope that isn't really a spoiler for what would obviously be a huge moment in the film.

Who knows? All I know is that it's a prop that Marvel decided to show off at San Diego Comic-Con. Odds are that it does end up being a big moment to reveal how strong Ultron has gotten with his upgrades.

Jul 28, 2014#273

fade

CynicismKills said:
I can't wait to see how they deal with Pietro and Wanda's powers. I was really surprised at how ridiculously cool the slo-mo scene was in DoFP, and I hope they can find a way to make this Quicksilver's powers seem as fun to watch.

No kidding. That scene almost broke the movie. I got up to go, because I was like, "Welp. Can't top that. Movie's over."

Jul 28, 2014#274

ThatNickGuy

Espy said:
I hope that isn't really a spoiler for what would obviously be a huge moment in the film.

If it is, that'd make Captain America 3 VERRRRRY interesting.

Jul 28, 2014#275

Sparhawk

Espy said:
I hope that isn't really a spoiler for what would obviously be a huge moment in the film.

Could be a total misdirect also, training exercise type thing. Not the real shield, but just something that was standing in for it type thing. I'm not saying I know, just pointing out that they could be purposefully putting out misleading info.

Jul 28, 2014#276

Espy

You guys.

Come on.

Cap dies in a heroic act.

Discover at the very end he's alive but lives in Europe above a gay disco under an assumed identity

Next movie: Ben Affleck is the new Captain America.

Thats how it works.

END OF STORY.

Jul 28, 2014#277

Celt Z

Espy said:
Next movie: Matt Damon is the new Captain America.

Bonus: he uses his "native" accent. Cap'an Americah!

Jul 28, 2014#278

ThatNickGuy

Celt Z said:
Bonus: he uses his "native" accent. Cap'an Americah!

Did someone say Native Captain America?

Sep 6, 2014#279

evilmike

Superherohype has a picture that shows clearer concept art for the Vision.

Oct 22, 2014#280

evilmike

Screencaps have leaked for the Hulkbuster armor and Ultron:

(via ScreenCrush)

Oct 22, 2014#281

fade

I'm seeing a Drac from Enemy Mine.

Oct 22, 2014#282

Celt Z

Coooooool!

Oct 22, 2014#283

Adam

You're welcome

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0By4e12DxrjXQZ3FUaE0yVFlTSlU/view

Mirror:

Oct 22, 2014#284

Dave

Thank you! That was awesome!

Oct 22, 2014#285

filmfanatic

Oh, I am really liking how Ultron himself is shaping up for it. James Spader is sounding like a good match. I think a moment I really like is his last line in the trailer of "There are no strings on me", having compared the Avengers to puppets all tangled in strings, unwilling to really change the world.

Oct 22, 2014#286

evilmike

Adam said:
You're welcome

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0By4e12DxrjXQZ3FUaE0yVFlTSlU/view

Mirror:

Is "spoilertacular!" a word?

Oct 22, 2014#287

bhamv3

Oct 22, 2014#288

Dave

filmfanatic said:
Oh, I am really liking how Ultron himself is shaping up for it. James Spader is sounding like a good match. I think a moment I really like is his last line in the trailer of "There are no strings on me", having compared the Avengers to puppets all tangled in strings, unwilling to really change the world.

You did notice the song they were singing was from Pinocchio, right?

Oct 22, 2014#289

Hailey Knight

Dave said:
You did notice the song they were singing was from Pinocchio, right?

And it's an apt comparison considering this origin of Ultron.

Oct 22, 2014#290

ThatNickGuy

Oh yeah, I'm ready for this movie.

Oct 22, 2014#291

Null

Okay, Marvel handling this "leak" is brilliant. Tweeting "Dammit Hydra!" and then just going ahead and officially launching it? That's how you handle a leak - go with it and capitalizing on the buzz. Well done, MCU marketing team.

Oct 22, 2014#292

filmfanatic

Dave said:
You did notice the song they were singing was from Pinocchio, right?

I did catch that. Actually, I had read the reports from Comic-Con about it, and the idea of Ultron saying "I've got no strings on me" sounded sort of fun what with the Pinocchio reference and Disney owning Marvel.

Now, actually hearing James Spader's delivery of that line? That really sold me.

Oct 22, 2014#293

ScytheRexx

filmfanatic said:
Now, actually hearing James Spader's delivery of that line? That really sold me.

I remember watching an interview where someone asked Chris Evans what he thought of James Spader as Ultron, and while I don't remember the exact words, he said the performance was terrifying. I am starting to see what Chris Evans meant.

Also about some scenes in the trailer.

They have one shot of Ultron in what appears to be that Hydra base seen at the end of Winter Soldier while SW and QS walk up behind him. I think when he first becomes sentient he is too damaged to do anything, but Hydra collects him and rebuilds him, only for him to turn on them and obliterate the facility. He takes SW and QS to be his lackeys for whatever reason.

Oct 22, 2014#294

Charlie Don't Surf

That's a pretty effective trailer

Oct 23, 2014#295

CynicismKills

Also, looks like

Hulk/Banner is going to lose control somehow, maybe Ultron gets in his head or it has something to do with them all feeling Stark betrayed them (Thor grabs him at one point as well).

Oct 23, 2014#296

Kovac

yup. That trailer works for me.

The biggest question marks for me at this point are quicksilver and scarlet witch.

Oct 23, 2014#297

Hailey Knight

Trailer was awesome, but it's probably time for me to stop visiting this thread again so there can still be some surprises in the movie.

Oct 23, 2014#298

ThatNickGuy

Zero Esc said:
Trailer was awesome, but it's probably time for me to stop visiting this thread again so there can still be some surprises in the movie.

Surprise! Ultron is in it.

Oct 23, 2014#299

ScytheRexx

I like to imagine some scenes, like the rather large one implied at the end, are just a red herring, but trailers these days are rather bad about throwing out all the damn twists these days. Just can never be sure anymore.

Oct 23, 2014#300

bhamv3

ThatNickGuy said:
Surprise! Ultron is in it.

I'd say that's a big leap of logic, isn't it? Next thing you know you'll be telling us the Avengers are in it too.

Psht, yeah right, Ultron and the Avengers?

Oct 23, 2014#301

ScytheRexx

So what do people think of Ultron's redesign? Most of the promotional material like the very first teaser and that huge poster with the hundreds of Ultrons used his more classic design, but you can tell from the last scene they are trying to go for a a more human faced feel, very reminiscent of the Transformers from the Bay movies. I hope at the least we get a scene with the classic design, even if just used for his robot army.

Oct 23, 2014#302

Tress

Just don't become a muddy pile of lines like Bay's Transformer designs, and we'll be just fine.

Oct 23, 2014#303

filmfanatic

ScytheRexx said:
So what do people think of Ultron's redesign? Most of the promotional material like the very first teaser and that huge poster with the hundreds of Ultrons used his more classic design, but you can tell from the last scene they are trying to go for a a more human faced feel, very reminiscent of the Transformers from the Bay movies. I hope at the least we get a scene with the classic design, even if just used for his robot army.

I think, based on the trailer, it looks like they're going with a more human-like face for Ultron himself (most likely due in part to the MoCap they did with James Spader), while his robot army looks like they'll have his classic look. Honestly, I don't think it looks that bad. If they can maintain some level of creepiness from the uncanny valley of his "sort-of-human-but-not-quite" face, I'm sure it will work.

Oct 23, 2014#304

Adam

If I remember correctly, Ultron goes through multiple stages throughout the movie so we'll probably see a couple iterations of his look.

Oct 23, 2014#305

drawn_inward

Probably not a popular opinion, but I'd rather not see much Black Widow or Hawkeye on screen. Their characters are super-boring, IMO. I'd rather have a Ms. Marvel and another Avenger. I am glad to see Scarlet Witch too.

Oct 23, 2014#306

CynicismKills

drawn_inward said:
Probably not a popular opinion, but I'd rather not see much Black Widow or Hawkeye on screen. Their characters are super-boring, IMO. I'd rather have a Ms. Marvel and another Avenger. I am glad to see Scarlet Witch too.

BW got better thanks to a big part in Cap 2, but overall I agree. They haven't gotten a whole lot of characterization, Hawkeye especially, and if they don't get more in this movie they're going to be boring background characters like they were in Avengers 1, and just not stand out at all.[DOUBLEPOST=1414082390,1414082197][/DOUBLEPOST]

ScytheRexx said:
So what do people think of Ultron's redesign? Most of the promotional material like the very first teaser and that huge poster with the hundreds of Ultrons used his more classic design, but you can tell from the last scene they are trying to go for a a more human faced feel, very reminiscent of the Transformers from the Bay movies. I hope at the least we get a scene with the classic design, even if just used for his robot army.

I like it. I've heard the TF comparison in other places, but really I don't think it's that bad as the overall composition of Ultron in the trailer is smooth/sleek, whereas Bay's 'bots are kind of a big mess of moving parts and random pieces of metal.

Also, keep in mind this trailer's movie is nearly what, 6-7 months away? Odds are a lot of the CG is going to look better come release day.

Oct 23, 2014#307

filmfanatic

By the way, did anyone notice Andy Serkis in the trailer? Based on his look, some are speculating that he might turn up as Ulysses Klaw.

Oct 23, 2014#308

IronBrig4

Adam said:
If I remember correctly, Ultron goes through multiple stages throughout the movie so we'll probably see a couple iterations of his look.

I'm hoping we can see this version in one scene.

Oct 23, 2014#309

Covar

I hope they defeat Ultron several times throughout the movie.

Oct 23, 2014#310

Null

Covar said:
I hope they defeat Ultron several times throughout the movie.

See, I don't know if that would work in a movie. If Ultron keeps being beaten down, he comes off as more of a punching bag than a serious threat. "Well, it's been 16 minutes since the last big fight scene, time to get beaten up by the Avengers again." It works in a TV series, where you can have defeats and victories over the course of a season, but not repeatedly in a 3-hour movie. I mean, if you've seen Ultron lose 6 times already by the third act, he no longer reads as a credible threat.

Oct 23, 2014#311

ScytheRexx

Null said:
See, I don't know if that would work in a movie. If Ultron keeps being beaten down, he comes off as more of a punching bag than a serious threat. "Well, it's been 16 minutes since the last big fight scene, time to get beaten up by the Avengers again."

The whole point is that no matter what they throw at him, he can't be fully defeated. Each time he comes back even stronger then the last, which makes him feel more threatening.

Oct 23, 2014#312

Covar

ScytheRexx said:
The whole point is that no matter what they throw at him, he can't be fully defeated. Each time he comes back even stronger then the last, which makes him feel more threatening.

Not to mention he can't be defeated the same way twice. I don't need it 6 times or anything, but I think 3 would drive the point home, breakup the three act structure a bit, and hopefully show the Avengers being tactical and not just falling into the solution.

Oct 23, 2014#313

filmfanatic

Covar said:
Not to mention he can't be defeated the same way twice. I don't need it 6 times or anything, but I think 3 would drive the point home, breakup the three act structure a bit, and hopefully show the Avengers being tactical and not just falling into the solution.

I expect we'll probably see no more than three variations of Ultron. We've got his early, cobbled-together appearance, and we've got a Vibranium build that's most likely what we see near the end of the trailer (I say that because I remember reading somewhere that there is a sequence of the film set in Wakanda).

Oct 23, 2014#314

Charlie Don't Surf

Null said:
in a 3-hour movie.

ugh, I just realized that you're probably right

Oct 23, 2014#315

bhamv3

Covar said:
Not to mention he can't be defeated the same way twice. I don't need it 6 times or anything, but I think 3 would drive the point home, breakup the three act structure a bit, and hopefully show the Avengers being tactical and not just falling into the solution.

Yeah, the movie can illustrate how big a threat he is if he's demonstrably stronger every time he comes back.

Round 1: Captain America solos Ultron, smashing Ultron's head off with his mighty shield.
Round 2: Ultron comes back, Cap tries to hit it with his shield, shield bounces off (or breaks). Iron Man is needed to defeat Ultron.
Round 3: Ultron comes back again, with an army. Iron Man tries to defeat Ultron, fails completely, and gets knocked around. Thor/Hulk come in and smash Ultron into the ground. Rest of the Avengers deal with the robot army. All's seemingly well now, until Ultron's hand bursts out of the rubble. "You didn't think it'd be that easy, did you?"

Oct 23, 2014#316

Celt Z

Either that, or Wanda is screwing with everyone's perception of reality, making her the Big Bad all along.

Hey, it's a Joss Whedon movie. You never know.

Oct 24, 2014#317

evilmike

IGN is reporting that new Avengers 2 footage will be aired during Agents of Shield in place of the leaked trailer.

@Adam, I believe that's your cue.

Oct 24, 2014#318

Adam

Final form for ultron (Spoiler)

Oct 25, 2014#319

checkeredhat

evilmike said:
IGN is reporting that new Avengers 2 footage will be aired during Agents of Shield in place of the leaked trailer.

@Adam, I believe that's your cue.

I figured that what they would so is just show the short scene they showed at Comic Con, which sounded pretty cool.

Oct 26, 2014#320

General Specific

bhamv3 said:
"You didn't think it'd be that easy, did you?"

Off topic, I know, but this is the voice I always hear when I read that line:

Oct 26, 2014#321

Cajungal

Did Ultron quote Pinocchio at one point? ...

Oct 26, 2014#322

filmfanatic

Cajungal said:
Did Ultron quote Pinocchio at one point? ...

Yup.

In fact, as it has been pointing, the song playing throughout the trailer is a slowed-down version of "I've Got No Strings", a particularly apt song considering Ultron's origins.

Oct 26, 2014#323

Cajungal

filmfanatic said:
Yup.

In fact, as it has been pointing, the song playing throughout the trailer is a slowed-down version of "I've Got No Strings", a particularly apt song considering Ultron's origins.

I'm really not familiar with those comics at all. Might be fun to do some research before I see any more Avengers movies.

Oct 26, 2014#324

filmfanatic

Cajungal said:
I'm really not familiar with those comics at all. Might be fun to do some research before I see any more Avengers movies.

Well, the basic idea of Ultron is that he is an artificial intelligence who gains sentience, like a puppet freeing itself from its strings. In Ultron's case, however, he also gains a major craving for destroying humanity. In the comics, Hank Pym (better known as Ant-Man) was the inventor of Ultron. For the Marvel Cinematic Universe, Tony Stark will be inventing Ultron and an entire Iron Legion as a way of helping the Avengers with their workload. Suffice to say, things do not turn out well.

Oct 26, 2014#325

bhamv3

filmfanatic said:
Well, the basic idea of Ultron is that he is an artificial intelligence who gains sentience, like a puppet freeing itself from its strings. In Ultron's case, however, he also gains a major craving for destroying humanity. In the comics, Hank Pym (better known as Ant-Man) was the inventor of Ultron. For the Marvel Cinematic Universe, Tony Stark will be inventing Ultron and an entire Iron Legion as a way of helping the Avengers with their workload. Suffice to say, things do not turn out well.

In Tony's defense, I think every geek has, at some point, said to himself or herself, "I'll bet I could find some way to automate this process, it'll save me so much work," and then only to find that it turns out to be more work than before.

Oct 26, 2014#326

ScytheRexx

bhamv3 said:
In Tony's defense, I think every geek has, at some point, said to himself or herself, "I'll bet I could find some way to automate this process, it'll save me so much work," and then only to find that it turns out to be more work than before.

I am really keen on how they handle the JARVIS to Vision change. Obviously Tony made a new AI to handle the robot suits, the AI that ultimately becomes Ultron, but then I wonder how this goes back to JARVIS. Like, why didn't he use JARVIS in the first place? Why use him now to form Vision? So many questions.

Though I am going to puke if Tony says a line like "No, my friend, you are no longer Jarvis, you are... MY VISION."

Oct 26, 2014#327

Terrik

ScytheRexx said:
I am really keen on how they handle the JARVIS to Vision change. Obviously Tony made a new AI to handle the robot suits, the AI that ultimately becomes Ultron, but then I wonder how this goes back to JARVIS. Like, why didn't he use JARVIS in the first place? Why use him now to form Vision? So many questions.

Though I am going to puke if Tony says a line like "No, my friend, you are no longer Jarvis, you are... MY VISION."

That line will most certainly be in there now. Thanks.

Oct 26, 2014#328

ScytheRexx

Terrik said:
That line will most certainly be in there now. Thanks.

I can't help it, I went to film school, some of this stuff is like paint by numbers.

Oct 26, 2014#329

Ravenpoe

ScytheRexx said:
I am really keen on how they handle the JARVIS to Vision change. Obviously Tony made a new AI to handle the robot suits, the AI that ultimately becomes Ultron, but then I wonder how this goes back to JARVIS. Like, why didn't he use JARVIS in the first place? Why use him now to form Vision? So many questions.

Though I am going to puke if Tony says a line like "No, my friend, you are no longer Jarvis, you are... MY VISION."

I'm going to call it now and say that Vision is born from Ultron attempting to corrupt/convert Jarvis.

Oct 26, 2014#330

ScytheRexx

Ravenpoe said:
I'm going to call it now and say that Vision is born from Ultron attempting to corrupt/convert Jarvis.

Actually I like that idea way better. I hope they go that route. Like, Ultron links with Jarvis and give him true sentience, and in the end he chooses to continue fighting for Tony. I know Ultron technically created Vision in the comics, but I figured the whole Jarvis link was going to force a change in that dynamic.

Oct 26, 2014#331

Ravenpoe

If I remember correctly, the original vision was created by Ultron out of the remnants of the original Human Torch, because the first Human Torch was actually a robot... because comics were weird back then.

Oct 26, 2014#332

ScytheRexx

Ravenpoe said:
If I remember correctly, the original vision was created by Ultron out of the remnants of the original Human Torch, because the first Human Torch was actually a robot... because comics were weird back then.

At some point in the comics everyone has been a robot.

Oct 26, 2014#333

evilmike

Ravenpoe said:
If I remember correctly, the original vision was created by Ultron out of the remnants of the original Human Torch, because the first Human Torch was actually a robot... because comics were weird back then.

That brings up an interesting point. Will they reference that since Howard Stark actually had access to the body of the original human torch in the movie universe?

Oct 27, 2014#334

fade

I wish superhero based movies and TV shows would stop trying to avoid using the characters' handles from the comics anyway. You want to give the name a natural feeling origin in the movie? Sure. Avoiding it outright by using an even cheesier ersatz name? No, that sucks. I feel like someone--a director, writer, or producer--felt the original code name was corny, so they shoehorn in half-names like "Arrow", or the S means Hope on my planet, or The Streak--all of which sound equally corny, and worse feel really out of place to the existing fanbase, who will probably make up most of your audience initially.

Oct 27, 2014#335

ThatNickGuy

fade said:
I wish superhero based movies and TV shows would stop trying to avoid using the characters' handles from the comics anyway. You want to give the name a natural feeling origin in the movie? Sure. Avoiding it outright by using an even cheesier ersatz name? No, that sucks. I feel like someone--a director, writer, or producer--felt the original code name was corny, so they shoehorn in half-names like "Arrow", or the S means Hope on my planet, or The Streak--all of which sound equally corny, and worse feel really out of place to the existing fanbase, who will probably make up most of your audience initially.

Which sounds like it's a BIG problem for DC & WB, but not Marvel. Marvel has at least been openly accepting some of the cornier aspects of comics. Which I'm okay with. Superheroes are inherently corny and silly. You can't have dudes flying around in bright, primary coloured spandex and expect everyone to take it completely seriously. You either accept it and run with it or...well, whatever the hell DC is doing.

Oct 27, 2014#336

Covar

fade said:
I wish superhero based movies and TV shows would stop trying to avoid using the characters' handles from the comics anyway. You want to give the name a natural feeling origin in the movie? Sure. Avoiding it outright by using an even cheesier ersatz name? No, that sucks. I feel like someone--a director, writer, or producer--felt the original code name was corny, so they shoehorn in half-names like "Arrow", or the S means Hope on my planet, or The Streak--all of which sound equally corny, and worse feel really out of place to the existing fanbase, who will probably make up most of your audience initially.

The Streak will stop once Barry either stops to make sure someone he just rescued is okay, or Iris writes the "My evening with ~~Superman~~ the Flash" article.

Oct 27, 2014#337

fade

Yeah, I mean, I really like Arrow. It's been a good show so far. But I can't help but wince every time they say "The Hood" or "The Arrow" in the show. And then every actor looks uncomfortable saying even those names. I mean, come on. It's a superhero show.

Oct 27, 2014#338

ScytheRexx

ThatNickGuy said:
Which sounds like it's a BIG problem for DC & WB, but not Marvel. Marvel has at least been openly accepting some of the cornier aspects of comics. Which I'm okay with. Superheroes are inherently corny and silly. You can't have dudes flying around in bright, primary coloured spandex and expect everyone to take it completely seriously. You either accept it and run with it or...well, whatever the hell DC is doing.

I honestly loved what they did with Star-Lord. One of the most generic and cheesy names in comics and by the end you just understand why he uses it, understand so much.

Oct 27, 2014#339

ThatNickGuy

Guys, I think Marvel used the wrong song for the Avengers 2 trailer...

http://www.dorkly.com/post/69930/th...om&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=amplification

Oct 27, 2014#340

Fun Size

fade said:
I wish superhero based movies and TV shows would stop trying to avoid using the characters' handles from the comics anyway. You want to give the name a natural feeling origin in the movie? Sure. Avoiding it outright by using an even cheesier ersatz name? No, that sucks. I feel like someone--a director, writer, or producer--felt the original code name was corny, so they shoehorn in half-names like "Arrow", or the S means Hope on my planet, or The Streak--all of which sound equally corny, and worse feel really out of place to the existing fanbase, who will probably make up most of your audience initially.

One of my favorite moments on Agents of Shield was the early lampshading of a potential villain.

"Ah crap...they gave him a name."

Oct 27, 2014#341

IronBrig4

fade said:
Yeah, I mean, I really like Arrow. It's been a good show so far. But I can't help but wince every time they say "The Hood" or "The Arrow" in the show. And then every actor looks uncomfortable saying even those names. I mean, come on. It's a superhero show.

In the first season, Mr. Merlin asks "how about Green Arrow?" Only for Oliver to dismiss it as "lame."

When we see Vision for the first time, I hope there's enough theatrical flair. That's what I've come to associate with that character.

Oct 27, 2014#342

CynicismKills

I wonder if Wanda will flirt with him and make things really weird. That would be hilarious.

Oct 27, 2014#343

Celt Z

I'm trying to think of a time when flirting with a robot ISN'T weird.

Oct 27, 2014#344

Ravenpoe

Celt Z said:
I'm trying to think of a time when flirting with a robot ISN'T weird.

Japan.

Oct 27, 2014#345

ThatNickGuy

Celt Z said:
I'm trying to think of a time when flirting with a robot ISN'T weird.

Here, perhaps?

Oct 27, 2014#346

AshburnerX

ThatNickGuy said:
Here, perhaps?

Oct 27, 2014#347

Celt Z

I would say you guys are proving me right.

Oct 27, 2014#348

Terrik

ThatNickGuy said:
Here, perhaps?

Oct 28, 2014#349

evilmike

Tonight's extended trailer from Agents of SHIELD

(Updated with the official version)

Oct 28, 2014#350

Ravenpoe

evilmike said:
Tonight's extended trailer from Agents of SHIELD

Cap is totally picking up that hammer later in the movie.

Oct 29, 2014#351

CynicismKills

The look Thor gives when Cap moves the hammer a little was fucking priceless.

Oct 29, 2014#352

bhamv3

So, I was thinking...

We don't see Banner try to lift the hammer in that scene, and in Avengers 1 we saw the Hulk try to lift it, and fail, although he was interrupted by Thor after just a few seconds.

However, the Hulk's strength increases with his anger. Suppose the Hulk was given all the time in the universe to get increasingly mad at the hammer. Would he, eventually, get mad enough to overcome Mjolnir's enchantment and pick it up through sheer force?

Oct 29, 2014#353

Ravenpoe

bhamv3 said:
So, I was thinking...

We don't see Banner try to lift the hammer in that scene, and in Avengers 1 we saw the Hulk try to lift it, and fail, although he was interrupted by Thor after just a few seconds.

However, the Hulk's strength increases with his anger. Suppose the Hulk was given all the time in the universe to get increasingly mad at the hammer. Would he, eventually, get mad enough to overcome Mjolnir's enchantment and pick it up through sheer force?

No. The hammer is magic (well, kinda, might as well be magic), and the magic simply says only the worthy can wield it. It's not infinitely heavy, or have some resisting force that can be overcome through sheer power. I'm pretty sure that Hulk would tear through the floor of whatever he's standing on before he ever got it to budge.

Oct 29, 2014#354

bhamv3

Ravenpoe said:
No. The hammer is magic (well, kinda, might as well be magic), and the magic simply says only the worthy can wield it. It's not infinitely heavy, or have some resisting force that can be overcome through sheer power. I'm pretty sure that Hulk would tear through the floor of whatever he's standing on before he ever got it to budge.

What if, hypothetically, he was standing on an indestructible floor? Say a planet made of adamantium or something.

Oct 29, 2014#355

CynicismKills

bhamv3 said:
What if, hypothetically, he was standing on an indestructible floor? Say a planet made of adamantium or something.

Still missing the point. It's not that the hammer is heavy, it's that Odin magicked it so nobody unworthy can lift it. If Hulk's not worthy, Hulk can't lift it.

Though, truth be told, that's always been kinda shaky as there is at least one instance of Hulk using the hammer to beat the shit out of Thor. Fairly sure Hulk has, in fact, lifted it a few times (and I think even broke it at one point).

Also, in space, apparently, anyone can move the hammer. I've seen pages of Red Hulk and Iron Man moving it.

Oct 29, 2014#356

bhamv3

CynicismKills said:
Still missing the point. It's not that the hammer is heavy, it's that Odin magicked it so nobody unworthy can lift it. If Hulk's not worthy, Hulk can't lift it.

Though, truth be told, that's always been kinda shaky as there is at least one instance of Hulk using the hammer to beat the shit out of Thor. Fairly sure Hulk has, in fact, lifted it a few times (and I think even broke it at one point).

Also, in space, apparently, anyone can move the hammer. I've seen pages of Red Hulk and Iron Man moving it.

Hmm, all right then.

Don't suppose the Hulk could get angry enough to start warping reality, could he?

Oct 29, 2014#357

Adam

bhamv3 said:
Hmm, all right then.

Don't suppose the Hulk could get angry enough to start warping reality, could he?

Punching holes in reality when angry? What kind of nonsense do you think comic book writers would come up to justify broad sweeping changes to a universe?!?

Oct 29, 2014#358

evilmike

Another clip (watch it while it lasts...)

Oct 29, 2014#359

ThatNickGuy

Well, it's the in MCU Phase 3 thread, but it belongs here, too. The short preview seen on Agents of SHIELD, along with the trailer.

Oct 29, 2014#360

bhamv3

evilmike said:
Another clip (watch it while it lasts...)

Warning for those wearing headphones: VERY LOUD VIDEO.

Oct 29, 2014#361

Adam

Even though I've been a Captain American fan forever, I really have to say they nail his characterization in the MCU SOOOOO well. He's a legitimate badass.

Oct 29, 2014#362

Mathias

Ravenpoe said:
No. The hammer is magic (well, kinda, might as well be magic), and the magic simply says only the worthy can wield it. It's not infinitely heavy, or have some resisting force that can be overcome through sheer power. I'm pretty sure that Hulk would tear through the floor of whatever he's standing on before he ever got it to budge.

Oct 29, 2014#363

Ravenpoe

Adam said:
Even though I've been a Captain American fan forever, I really have to say they nail his characterization in the MCU SOOOOO well. He's a legitimate badass.

Cap is easily my favorite of the MCU characters. Chris Evans really does play him perfectly. There's no question as to why he's the leader of the Avengers.*

*There is a question of why Hawkeye is still there. I mean, if you call upon the Avengers for help, and Hawkeye shows up, you're going to tell him to go back and get a real Avenger.

Oct 29, 2014#364

Dave

Oct 30, 2014#365

Null

I love how Cap is like "Gettin' real tired of your shit, Stark."

His line, "Every time somebody tries to stop a war before they start, innocent people die. Every time." That's not rhetoric - that was literally the goal of Project Insight, and look what became of that.

Oct 30, 2014#366

Krisken

On the question of who has wielded Mjolnir and been found worthy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mjolnir_(comics)

Ahem, treat this as a spoiler for all intents and purposes. Don't look if you don't really want to know.

Nov 4, 2014#367

GasBandit

Nov 12, 2014#368

IronBrig4

And we have a new extended trailer.

Dec 8, 2014#369

GasBandit

Dec 8, 2014#370

Ravenpoe

GasBandit said:

Ok, Jingle Bells won me over.

Dec 8, 2014#371

GasBandit

Ravenpoe said:
Ok, Jingle Bells won me over.

Me too. I was jaded and unimpressed until Jingle Bells, then I knew I had to share it.

Dec 8, 2014#372

bhamv3

Tony Stark does say Christmas an awful lot, doesn't he.

Mar 4, 2015#373

evilmike

New Trailer

Mar 4, 2015#374

ThatNickGuy

Want.

Mar 4, 2015#375

Adam

Wow.. That's basically comic panel to movie literal translation.

Mar 4, 2015#376

ScytheRexx

I think I saw the moment that single soldier in the front pissed his pants.

Also VISION FUCK YEAH!

Mar 4, 2015#377

IronBrig4

I noticed that the letterbox kept moving around. I so hope there's no shaky cam in Avengers 2.

Also, I'd love to hear Thor say "Ultron. We would have words with thee."

Mar 4, 2015#378

Ravenpoe

evilmike said:
New Trailer

Nnnnngggrrrrrraaaaaaaaah...

I... need to go get cleaned up.

Mar 4, 2015#379

CynicismKills

That steady-cam fix on the letterbox was weird, but outside of that, oh dang.

Oh dang.

Also, maybe it's SW that's going to make Hulk go all nutty, there was a shot of her doing something to Widow that might have been some kind of mental suggestion thing.

Mar 4, 2015#380

ScytheRexx

CynicismKills said:
Also, maybe it's SW that's going to make Hulk go all nutty, there was a shot of her doing something to Widow that might have been some kind of mental suggestion thing.

That may explain that implied romance between Widow and Hulk that they hinted near the beginning of the trailer.

Mar 4, 2015#381

CynicismKills

ScytheRexx said:
That may explain that implied romance between Widow and Hulk that they hinted near the beginning of the trailer.

Well, she's kind of shown as his anchor in Avengers 1, so it could just be that sort of deal again, kind of a King Kong thing.

Mar 4, 2015#382

@Li3n

CynicismKills said:
Well, she's kind of shown as his anchor in Avengers 1, so it could just be that sort of deal again, kind of a King Kong thing.

Hulk always had a thing for the pretty ladies...

Mar 4, 2015#383

Tinwhistler

@Li3n said:
Hulk always had a thing for the pretty ladies...

Hulk...smash! Wrrrar

Mar 4, 2015#384

GasBandit

You guys are making it SO hard not to post *that* gif again.

Mar 4, 2015#385

BananaHands

;_;

Mar 4, 2015#386

Celt Z

BananaHands said:
;_;

.....Wait a minute. Something's amiss...

Mar 4, 2015#387

ThatNickGuy

Celt Z said:
.....Wait a minute. Something's amiss...

Yeah!

Shouldn't Iron Man be moving way faster than the rest of them?

Mar 4, 2015#388

bhamv3

ThatNickGuy said:
Yeah!

Shouldn't Iron Man be moving way faster than the rest of them?

He gave the others a head start. Notice how he's catching up from behind.

That's the only thing unusual thing I can see in that gif. Everything else seems to be in order. All is as it should be.

Mar 4, 2015#389

Null

You know, seeing that trailer, then watching it again, and again, then watching the others, then this one again, I sat there and thought. "Well, that's kind of it, isn't it? Sony, Fox, Warner Brothers, they should just bow out gracefully from the superhero genre. Avengers 2 has already won, because there's no way they'll come even close to that."

Mar 4, 2015#390

WasabiPoptart

Adam said:
Wow.. That's basically comic panel to movie literal translation.

They forgot Legolas's blonde wig.

Mar 4, 2015#391

Chad Sexington

I did not like the first Avengers movie, and do not understand why people did. I'm looking forward to this, it's very much the kind of thing I'll probably enjoy. I still like the trailer with the creepy riff on Pinocchio better, though. That was just.. It was so good.

Mar 5, 2015#392

Celt Z

So, who wants to watch 25 hours straight of Marvel Movies? You get a medal if you ~~survive~~ sign up!

Mar 5, 2015#393

sixpackshaker

Celt Z said:
So, who wants to watch 25 hours straight of Marvel Movies? You get a medal if you ~~survive~~ sign up!

I'd love that, as long as they don't wake me up during Thor 2 and Captain America 2.

Mar 5, 2015#394

Celt Z

Mr. Z and I were just discussing certain films would be used for pee breaks/naps. (Looking at you, Incredible Hulk.)

Mar 5, 2015#395

BananaHands

Celt Z said:
So, who wants to watch 25 hours straight of Marvel Movies? You get a medal if you ~~survive~~ sign up!

I don't know if I could make it through Iron Man 2 again.

Mar 5, 2015#396

GasBandit

You people are cray cray. Iron Man 2, Cap Amer 2, and Thor 2 were all fun movies. Thor 2 was better than Thor 1, IMO.

Incredible hulk, nnnyyaaahh not so much.

Mar 5, 2015#397

sixpackshaker

Just I've seen those movies recently. So there is no reason to struggle.

Mar 5, 2015#398

AshburnerX

Thor 2 deserves more crap than it got, but I still wouldn't call it a bad movie.

Mar 5, 2015#399

Chad Sexington

Captain America 2 is supposed to be way better than the first one. I haven't seen it yet, though, but I was going to. Should I not? I found the first one pretty bad and boring.

Mar 5, 2015#400

GasBandit

Chad Sexington said:
Captain America 2 is supposed to be way better than the first one. I haven't seen it yet, though, but I was going to. Should I not? I found the first one pretty bad and boring.

I also found the first one a little tiresome, to be honest. The second one is MUCH better.

Mar 5, 2015#401

Gryfter

Chad Sexington said:
I did not like the first Avengers movie.

Chad Sexington said:
Captain America 2 I found the first one pretty bad and boring.

Uh... maybe these movies aren't your cup of tea.

As to the marathon, I have seen all of them recently enough enough that a marathon like this would be ponderous. Love them all... yes even Incredible Hulk and Iron Man 2 (though I acknowledge they are the low end of the movies thus far).

Mar 5, 2015#402

Null

The Winter Soldier is VERY different from Captain America: The First Avenger. It's a much more grown up story that revolves around the balance between freedom and security, and what the ramifications can be when the ends justify the means.

Mar 5, 2015#403

ThatNickGuy

GasBandit said:
You people are cray cray. Iron Man 2, Cap Amer 2, and Thor 2 were all fun movies. Thor 2 was better than Thor 1, IMO.

Incredible hulk, nnnyyaaahh not so much.

Hulk is unquestionably the bottom of the bunch, but I think it's an okay movie on its own. Certainly way better than Ang Lee's Hulk.

Mar 5, 2015#404

Ravenpoe

I personally think cap 2 is the best* of the marvel movies. And this from someone who liked the first, but wouldn't rewatch.

*other than GotG

Mar 5, 2015#405

Null

ThatNickGuy said:
Hulk is unquestionably the bottom of the bunch, but I think it's an okay movie on its own. Certainly way better than Ang Lee's Hulk.

That was another movie where the person making the movie just didn't fucking get the nature of the story he was trying to tell. The Hulk is about Rage. Loneliness. Despair. About losing control of one's self and being a danger to everyone you're close to, whether you want to be or not. It's about the guilt of knowing the harm you've done, and will do again, and knowing that you can't stop it. And yet, when push comes to shove, Hulk more often than not uses his anger to try and save people, whether they'd thank him for it or not.

Hulk is NOT about weird daddy issues, dogs filled with green water, and ridiculous flea jumps.

Mar 5, 2015#406

HCGLNS

Celt Z said:
.....Wait a minute. Something's amiss...

Well its a nice tweak. Someday soon perhaps.

Mar 5, 2015#407

Bowielee

Someone recently pointed out to me that in the first Avengers movie, no one ever actually says "Avengers Assemble".

The film is now retroactively ruined.

Mar 5, 2015#408

ThatNickGuy

Bowielee said:
Someone recently pointed out to me that in the first Avengers movie, no one ever actually says "Avengers Assemble".

The film is now retroactively ruined.

That was one of the few complaints I had about the movie.

Fortunately, hearing that the main cast became a close knit group that would go out together for dinner on a regular basis - usually with Chris Evans texting everyone "Avengers Assemble!" - salvages that.

Mar 5, 2015#409

Bowielee

ThatNickGuy said:
That was one of the few complaints I had about the movie.

Fortunately, hearing that the main cast became a close knit group that would go out together for dinner on a regular basis - usually with Chris Evans texting everyone "Avengers Assemble!" - salvages that.

I was completely joking. That's a dumb complaint

Mar 5, 2015#410

ThatNickGuy

Bowielee said:
I was completely joking. That's a dumb complaint

YOU'RE a dumb complaint!

...

Yeah, that's right.

Mar 6, 2015#411

Frank

Chad Sexington said:
Captain America 2 is supposed to be way better than the first one. I haven't seen it yet, though, but I was going to. Should I not? I found the first one pretty bad and boring.

I didn't dislike the first Captain America, but I think the second is probably the best super hero movie.

It's at least the best Marvel movie.

Mar 19, 2015#412

evilmike

Mar 19, 2015#413

Bowielee

I JUST CAME!

Mar 19, 2015#414

Ravenpoe

Bowielee said:
I JUST CAME!

Hey hey hey.. The sex thread is over there.

Mar 19, 2015#415

Null

evilmike said:

....where is that Halforums ahegao face icon again? I feel it would be applicable here.

But seriously: Every trailer for Age of Ultron has managed to top the previous. This isn't ridiculous hype, this movie is going to be amazing because it *gets* superheroes and how to tell a compelling story about them. Epic action mixed with the relationship between the members of the Avengers, and how their differences both make them stronger as a team and threaten to tear them apart.

Dear DC/WB: You lose.

Mar 19, 2015#416

sixpackshaker

I think I am pretty well sold on this movie, so I'll do my best to skip ads and trailers in the hope of missing more spoilers.

Mar 19, 2015#417

Bowielee

I mean, come on, Captain America flip kicks A GODDAMN MOTORCYCLE INTO A GODDAMN CAR!!!!!!!

Mar 19, 2015#418

Null

Watched all the trailers again. Now my brain is stuck doing this:

Apr 6, 2015#419

evilmike

They've released the final trailer. It's similar to the previous TV spot but has additional footage:

Apr 6, 2015#420

Ravenpoe

evilmike said:
They've released the final trailer. It's similar to the previous TV spot but has additional footage:

I cannot wait to see the world's greatest heroes. And Hawkeye.

Apr 6, 2015#421

ThatNickGuy

Ravenpoe said:
I cannot wait to see the world's greatest heroes. And Hawkeye.

Apr 6, 2015#422

Ravenpoe

ThatNickGuy said:
View attachment 17986

You know that scene at the end of Avengers, when Loki is defeated, and we see the whole group standing over him? And Hawkeye has his bow drawn and an arrow cocked, pointing it at Loki. GOOD JOB HAWKEYE. That arrow that would have no effect on an asgardian is totally what's convincing him he's defeated. Good thing you're on the ball, otherwise he might try something.

Apr 6, 2015#423

ThatNickGuy

Ravenpoe said:
You know that scene at the end of Avengers, when Loki is defeated, and we see the whole group standing over him? And Hawkeye has his bow drawn and an arrow cocked, pointing it at Loki. GOOD JOB HAWKEYE. That arrow that would have no effect on an asgardian is totally what's convincing him he's defeated. Good thing you're on the ball, otherwise he might try something.

Hey now, even Hawkeye got a good shot at him. Remember? Shot the exploding arrow that Loki caught? Totally tricked that horny bastard.

Apr 6, 2015#424

filmfanatic

ThatNickGuy said:
Hey now, even Hawkeye got a good shot at him. Remember? Shot the exploding arrow that Loki caught? Totally tricked that horny bastard.

Also, did any of his shots actually miss. Say what you will about a guy who chooses to take part in a superhero battle with a bow and arrows, but if he doesn't miss a single shot, then he's still a pretty useful part of the team.

Apr 6, 2015#425

Ravenpoe

filmfanatic said:
Also, did any of his shots actually miss. Say what you will about a guy who chooses to take part in a superhero battle with a bow and arrows, but if he doesn't miss a single shot, then he's still a pretty useful part of the team.

He's the Aquaman of the Avengers, except at least Aquaman is a goddamn KING.

Apr 6, 2015#426

Bowielee

Poe

Apr 6, 2015#427

IronBrig4

I know that Hawkeye doesn't seem to belong in the same league as the god of thunder or an immeasurably powerful rage monster. Strength isn't the point, however. What makes Hawkeye Avenger material is his willingness to put everything on the line. Whether the enemy of the week is Loki, Ultron, Dormammu, or a Skrull invasion, the Avengers can count on Hawkeye to hold the line.

Plus, whenever the Avengers are hit with a spell that removes superpowers then Hawkeye is completely unaffected.

Apr 7, 2015#428

DarkAudit

IronBrig4 said:
Plus, whenever the Avengers are hit with a spell that removes superpowers then Hawkeye is completely unaffected.

Until the sudden yet inevitable mutant retcon.

Apr 7, 2015#429

Dave

"I'm out of arrows."
"What? How many did you have?"
"Like...11."
"But there are hundreds and thousands of aliens!"
"And I killed 11. You're welcome."

Apr 7, 2015#430

ScytheRexx

Lucky he lives in a movie world, so he pretty much has unlimited arrows as long as the plot does not require him to be out of them. (Same for Black Widow and bullets)

Apr 7, 2015#431

Null

I'm a bit biased in favor of Hawkeye, because one of the first comics I read was Solo Avengers #3, in which Hawkeye faces off against Batroc's Brigade in Paris. Batroc the Leaper, Machete, and Zaran the Weapon Master ambushed him, and he came out on top. Battered and exhausted, but victorious. Granted, they're all low-level super villains, but still, 3 on 1 odds.

To me, Hawkeye is still pretty badass because despite not being clad in hyper-advanced power armor, or being a chemically augmented super soldier, or a rage-powered monster, he's there every step of the way with them.

Apr 7, 2015#432

Celt Z

A few days ago, I realized I was going to be over-seas for opening night, which means I'll have a wait an extra week to see the movie. (And dodge spoilers.) :cry:

But then I found out it opens in Taiwan a week before the US! :sohappy:

(Now I just have to figure out which relative we can leave Li'l Z with for a few hours...)

Apr 7, 2015#433

Dave

I'm not going to see it until the 8th when my son gets back from Korea. I'm going to WANT to see it beforehand, but I want to go see it with him.

Apr 7, 2015#434

Bubble181

Celt Z said:
A few days ago, I realized I was going to be over-seas for opening night, which means I'll have a wait an extra week to see the movie. (And dodge spoilers.)

But then I found out it opens in Taiwan a week before the US!

(Now I just have to figure out which relative we can leave Li'l Z with for a few hours...)

@bhamv3 obviously. He's totally safe around children!

Apr 7, 2015#435

Celt Z

Bubble181 said:
@bhamv3 obviously. He's totally safe around children!

Yes, because I want my 2-year-old to explain to me the ins and outs of 4chan.

Apr 7, 2015#436

Null

Celt Z said:
Yes, because I want my 2-year-old to explain to me the ins and outs of 4chan.

Well, he'd have the right mentality...

Apr 7, 2015#437

Celt Z

He's too mature for that.

Apr 7, 2015#438

Charlie Don't Surf

I saw that there will be (credits)

no end of end of credits scene but a middle of credits scene.

Apr 7, 2015#439

GasBandit

Pah, 4chan's practically family friendly these days.

8chan, however...

Apr 7, 2015#440

CynicismKills

GasBandit said:
Pah, 4chan's practically family friendly these days.

8chan, however...

/co/ is a surprisingly good board lately, and weirdly enough /v/ can be a good time if you're on it late-night. Daytime /v/ is still pretty much a shithole.

Apr 7, 2015#441

AshburnerX

CynicismKills said:
/co/ is a surprisingly good board lately, and weirdly enough /v/ can be a good time if you're on it late-night. Daytime /v/ is still pretty much a shithole.

I still enjoy the /v/ musicals whenever they put them out. They are always a lot of fun, even if they can be completely mean spirited sometimes.

But yeah, 8chan is where most of the "real" shit goes down these days.

Apr 7, 2015#442

drawn_inward

The only way I am going to get to see this in theater is either:
1. Skipping work while the kiddo is in daycare
2. Taking said kiddo and ruining the flick for all
3. Waiting until it is re-released for its 20 yr anniversary

I think I am going to try #2. :troll:

J/K, relax

Apr 7, 2015#443

bhamv3

Bubble181 said:
@bhamv3 obviously. He's totally safe around children!

Actually, I'm heading back into the army for the week it's released here.

Given the choice between army life and babysitting Lil' Z, I'd choose babysitting every time. But, well, duty calls.

Apr 7, 2015#444

Celt Z

bhamv3 said:
Actually, I'm heading back into the army for the week it's released here.

Given the choice between army life and babysitting Lil' Z, I'd choose babysitting every time. But, well, duty calls.

They can call you back like that, or is this the most creative way to get out of babysitting ever?

Apr 7, 2015#445

bhamv3

Celt Z said:
They can call you back like that, or is this the most creative way to get out of babysitting ever?

Yep, upon completing our national service, we can get called back for one-week refresher courses, up until we're 36 years old I think. Basically, they're afraid we're going to forget how to use our assault rifles.

Apr 7, 2015#446

IronBrig4

Null said:
To me, Hawkeye is still pretty badass because despite not being clad in hyper-advanced power armor, or being a chemically augmented super soldier, or a rage-powered monster, he's there every step of the way with them.

That's what I'm saying. Some of the best Marvel heroes are non-powered. Hawkeye, Black Widow, Two-Gun Kid, even Rick Jones and the Teen Brigade. They know they're outclassed but they'll charge in regardless. That's what heroes do.

Apr 7, 2015#447

bhamv3

And Batman. Don't forget Batman.

Apr 7, 2015#448

CynicismKills

IronBrig4 said:
That's what I'm saying. Some of the best Marvel heroes are non-powered. Hawkeye, Black Widow, Two-Gun Kid, even Rick Jones and the Teen Brigade. They know they're outclassed but they'll charge in regardless. That's what heroes do.

bhamv3 said:
And Batman. Don't forget Batman.

IronBrig4 said:
Marvel

bhamv3 said:
Batman

Apr 7, 2015#449

bhamv3

Apr 7, 2015#450

Null

Honestly, I'm kind of sick of Batman. He's sort of played out at this point.

Apr 7, 2015#451

CynicismKills

Null said:
Honestly, I'm kind of sick of Batman. He's sort of played out at this point.

Bats can't seem to lose (his sidekicks do instead) and Joker is basically some kind of immortal Chaos God now, so yeah, I agree. Things got weird and dumb.

Apr 8, 2015#452

Bubble181

bhamv3 said:
Actually, I'm heading back into the army for the week it's released here.

Given the choice between army life and babysitting Lil' Z, I'd choose babysitting every time. But, well, duty calls.

doody > duty.

Apr 8, 2015#453

evilmike

New poster courtesy of Entertainment Weekly (via io9)

Apr 8, 2015#454

bhamv3

Our first good look at Vision, if I'm not mistaken?

Apr 8, 2015#455

Ravenpoe

evilmike said:
New poster courtesy of Entertainment Weekly (via io9)

Did Tony forget to build Ultron legs?

Apr 8, 2015#456

DarkAudit

Ravenpoe said:
Did Tony forget to build Ultron legs?

Liefeld took the picture.

Apr 8, 2015#457

CynicismKills

Ravenpoe said:
Did Tony forget to build Ultron legs?

Poster design by Rob Liefeld.[DOUBLEPOST=1428554861,1428554824][/DOUBLEPOST]

DarkAudit said:
Liefeld took the picture.

Apr 9, 2015#458

Null

I, too, was going to make a Liefeld reference.

Apr 9, 2015#459

fade

evilmike said:
New poster courtesy of Entertainment Weekly (via io9)

Is it just me, or does this look like a terrible shoop your weird cousin posts on facebook?

Apr 9, 2015#460

Covar

It's not just you. I think it looks really bad, especially quicksilver who is clearly just standing. It doesn't help that it's all individual promo pictures arranged together via photoshop. It honestly looks like the same "artwork" you find on third rate licensed products.

Apr 9, 2015#461

sixpackshaker

Is there anyway to make Quicksilver look good?

Apr 9, 2015#462

drawn_inward

It's all about drawing them swooshes. Especially swooshing hair. Twilight got the swooshes just right.

Apr 9, 2015#463

sixpackshaker

Did HULK close his eyes to avoid the camera flash?

Apr 9, 2015#464

GasBandit

For some reason it reminds me of one of those old plastic lunchboxes I had in elementary school.

Apr 9, 2015#465

sixpackshaker

I hate how every movie poster/promo has the actors copy-pasta'ed into the pic together. You would think they could afford a photographer on a 100 million dollar movie.

Apr 9, 2015#466

Celt Z

sixpackshaker said:
I hate how every movie poster/promo has the actors copy-pasta'ed into the pic together. You would think they could afford a photographer on a 100 million dollar movie.

It's being produced by Entertainment Weekly, not Disney/Marvel, who probably didn't want to shell out the $$$$ to get a new group photo. Cheap Photoshop it is, then!

Apr 9, 2015#467

Adam

evilmike said:
New poster courtesy of Entertainment Weekly (via io9)

Parallel to Xmen cover?

Apr 9, 2015#468

MindDetective

The best thing about that ugly poster is that Hawkeye is the one turned around looking over his shoulder.

Apr 9, 2015#469

Null

MindDetective said:
The best thing about that ugly poster is that Hawkeye is the one turned around looking over his shoulder.

Jeremy Renner didn't buy Buns of Steel for nothing!

Apr 9, 2015#470

CynicismKills

Adam said:
Parallel to Xmen cover?

Man, 90's X-Men had the best costumes.

Apr 9, 2015#471

GasBandit

Apr 9, 2015#472

drawn_inward

CynicismKills said:
Man, 90's X-Men had the best costumes.

I own that issue!

Apr 9, 2015#473

Bowielee

drawn_inward said:
I own that issue!

I don't think there's anyone who read comics in the 90s that doesn't own that issue.

Apr 9, 2015#474

Sparhawk

Bowielee said:
I don't think there's anyone who read comics in the 90s that doesn't own that issue.

Considering that there were over 8 million copies of it printed, yep.

Apr 9, 2015#475

ThatNickGuy

Bowielee said:
I don't think there's anyone who read comics in the 90s that doesn't own that issue.

I never did. But then, I'm not a big X-Men fan. Or a big Jim Lee fan.

Apr 9, 2015#476

sixpackshaker

I was a DC Street Level Hero fan. Batman, Green Arrow, Question, El Diablo, etc...

Apr 10, 2015#477

figmentPez

Ravenpoe said:
Did Tony forget to build Ultron legs?

"I've got no legs to hold me here; so you can mock, and you can jeer. Promo pics cost quite a fee, those legs just don't come free!"

Apr 10, 2015#478

Frank

I wonder how long Paul Bettany has known they planned on him being Vision.

Apr 10, 2015#479

ScytheRexx

Frank said:
I wonder how long Paul Bettany has known they planned on him being Vision.

One of the biggest curiosities about the movie that I can't wait to see is how they make Vision. There is obviously going to be a J.A.R.V.I.S connection but they have been very tight lipped on Visions whole origin, and I really just want to see how that connection plays out.

Apr 10, 2015#480

ThatNickGuy

ScytheRexx said:
One of the biggest curiosities about the movie that I can't wait to see is how they make Vision. There is obviously going to be a J.A.R.V.I.S connection but they have been very tight lipped on Visions whole origin, and I really just want to see how that connection plays out.

My theory is Ultron gets into all of Tony's systems and one of them is JARVIS. Maybe gives JARVIS some more self-control or self-awareness. Then builds him a body to "free" him from his digital prison. And JARVIS, still being of free will, joins The Avengers.

That's all totally theory, mind you. It could - and likely will - play out entirely differently.

Apr 12, 2015#481

bhamv3

My guess is that Vision will only show up at the very end. Sort of like Nick's scenario, but Vision only "breaks free" of Ultron's control near the end, and tips the scales in the Avengers' favor.

I say this because so far we haven't seen the Vision in any of the battle scenes in the trailers, such as that one where the Avengers are standing in a circle surrounded by Ultron-bots.

Apr 12, 2015#482

CynicismKills

From what I remember, Vision is stupid powerful, so I wouldn't be surprised if you're right and he's only a big part of the last battle.

Apr 13, 2015#483

Frank

Clip from the movie, with my reservations about it below.

This shows Tony Stark giving less of a shit about civilian collateral damage than fucking Man of Steel. That's not good. It's also about as video gamey as it gets with the regenerating self repairing armor in the worst way possible. The driver of that delivery vehicle. Probably dead. Tony's just letting loose with his Hulk powered repulsors willy fucking nilly.

Apr 13, 2015#484

ThatNickGuy

Frank said:
Clip from the movie, with my reservations about it below.

This shows Tony Stark giving less of a shit about civilian collateral damage than fucking Man of Steel. That's not good. It's also about as video gamey as it gets with the regenerating self repairing armor in the worst way possible. The driver of that delivery vehicle. Probably dead. Tony's just letting loose with his Hulk powered repulsors willy fucking nilly.

1) Eh, of all the Avengers, Tony is probably the most reckless. Plus, he's against The Hulk, who's known for collateral damage. Plus plus, we haven't seen the whole fight yet. Reserve judgement until that.
2) I actually liked the way Tony repaired the armour. It's basically an extension of what we already saw in Iron man 3.

Apr 13, 2015#485

Frank

It's the total nonchalantness of the whole thing that bugs me. It's only a 90 second clip but there's no tension whatsoever when a rampaging rage Hulk should be cause for a lot more alarm than a snarky dick move quip.

Apr 13, 2015#486

AshburnerX

Did you see Iron Man 1 or 3? In IM1, Tony kills several terrorists during his escape from the 10 Rings, then comes back for more later where he wastes even more (though he's a bit more careful about not hitting civilians this time). Then, in Iron Man 3, when he builds gadgets to sneak into The Mandarin's base of operations, he's gunning down thugs left and right to the point that he literally uses an Uzi/Mac-10 on one at one point.

Tony may speak big about the sanctity of human life and not wanting to make weapons anymore, but he's probably got a body count up there with Black Widow and Hawkeye at this point.

Apr 13, 2015#487

bhamv3

I do think that at least trying to address the issue of collateral damage would've been nice. For example, the Hulkbuster armor is shown as being capable of picking up the Hulk and carrying him, as well as knocking the Hulk back a considerable distance. How about a brief scene where Tony picks up the Hulk and tries to fly him somewhere less populated (possibly while muttering "gotta get you off the street") but the Hulk interrupts Tony by punching him two hundred yards backwards. And then Tony's all like "okay then", gets up, and the rest of the fight proceeds as we see in the clip.

EDIT: Or, heck, just add a scene with Tony muttering about getting the Hulk off the street in this very clip, during the part where the Hulkbuster picks up the Hulk.

Apr 13, 2015#488

Charlie Don't Surf

I hate getting into these storyline arguments, but-

When Superman blows up buildings in Man of Steel during his FIRST REAL FIGHT WITH SOMEONE EVER IN HIS LIFE, and then later while fighting three different alien threats at once alone - this is inexcusable, Superman is a monster and shouldn't even be called Superman anymore!

If the Avengers do the same with 10 members and 20 movies' experience fighting super villains in crowded cities - eh, it's collateral damage/the Hulk

I'm at least consistent in not caring, since a superhero fight in a field in Montana would be boring as fuck and never happen on film.

Apr 13, 2015#489

Bubble181

Difference being Superman's the literal incarnation of Good and Justice and Caring while Iron Man's a drunk asshole who used to be the world's biggest weapons supplier. I mean, there's a difference of expectations there.

Apr 13, 2015#490

fade

Charlie Don't Surf said:
I hate getting into these storyline arguments, but-

When Superman blows up buildings in Man of Steel during his FIRST REAL FIGHT WITH SOMEONE EVER IN HIS LIFE, and then later while fighting three different alien threats at once alone - this is inexcusable, Superman is a monster and shouldn't even be called Superman anymore!

If the Avengers do the same with 10 members and 20 movies' experience fighting super villains in crowded cities - eh, it's collateral damage/the Hulk

I'm at least consistent in not caring, since a superhero fight in a field in Montana would be boring as fuck and never happen on film.

I don't think that's a correct assessment of the argument. It's not that he's not Superman because killing is objectively bad, he's not Superman when he does that because 90 years of comics have built up a character whose one consistent feature is his boy scout, almost naively innocent nature. Stark, on the other hand, has quite a different personality in the comics.

Apr 15, 2015#491

evilmike

I ran across an article that is on point with the recent discussion:

How Avengers: Age of Ultron Handles Destruction Better Than Man of Steel

I thought about that third-act carnage a lot while watching Avengers: Age of Ultron, which places an unusual emphasis on evacuating and saving innocent people.

With Ultron, said Whedon, the filmmaker wanted to "get back to what's important, which is that the people you're trying to protect are people.

said Whedon. "What a hero does is not just beat up the bad guy — a hero saves the people."

Apr 15, 2015#492

fade

You know there was also quite a bit of attention paid to saving the citizens in the first avengers movie, too.

Apr 24, 2015#493

DarkAudit

Korea gets the movie first *and* an Age of Ultron ice cream cake. UNFAIR.

Apr 24, 2015#494

@Li3n

So, i'm seeing this tomorrow... does the US not get it yet?

Apr 24, 2015#495

DarkAudit

@Li3n said:
So, i'm seeing this tomorrow... does the US not get it yet?

May 1st.

Apr 24, 2015#496

IronBrig4

My friends who are still in Korea saw Avengers 2 the other day. They say it's great.

Apr 24, 2015#497

GasBandit

I wonder what the business decision was to have it release later in the states this time? To drum up more hype?

Apr 24, 2015#498

DarkAudit

As said in the video above, for Korea, it's to keep everyone from just downloading it instead.

Apr 24, 2015#499

Frank

Not uncommon for big films to release overseas first nowadays. Except Japan, for some reason. They have to wait like 3 months.

Apr 24, 2015#500

bhamv3

Yeah, it's fairly standard practice to release movies first in Asia these days, because the idea is that regions such as Korea, China, Southeast Asia etc have the highest rates of piracy, so if you release it in the US first, then audiences in Asia will just download a cam version instead of going to theaters.

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