[Movies] The Avengers 2

Celt Z

Celt Z

Either that, or Wanda is screwing with everyone's perception of reality, making her the Big Bad all along.

Hey, it's a Joss Whedon movie. You never know.
 
Cajungal

Cajungal

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filmfanatic said:
Yup.

In fact, as it has been pointing, the song playing throughout the trailer is a slowed-down version of "I've Got No Strings", a particularly apt song considering Ultron's origins.
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I'm really not familiar with those comics at all. Might be fun to do some research before I see any more Avengers movies.
 
filmfanatic

filmfanatic

Cajungal said:
I'm really not familiar with those comics at all. Might be fun to do some research before I see any more Avengers movies.
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Well, the basic idea of Ultron is that he is an artificial intelligence who gains sentience, like a puppet freeing itself from its strings. In Ultron's case, however, he also gains a major craving for destroying humanity. In the comics, Hank Pym (better known as Ant-Man) was the inventor of Ultron. For the Marvel Cinematic Universe, Tony Stark will be inventing Ultron and an entire Iron Legion as a way of helping the Avengers with their workload. Suffice to say, things do not turn out well.
 
bhamv3

bhamv3

filmfanatic said:
Well, the basic idea of Ultron is that he is an artificial intelligence who gains sentience, like a puppet freeing itself from its strings. In Ultron's case, however, he also gains a major craving for destroying humanity. In the comics, Hank Pym (better known as Ant-Man) was the inventor of Ultron. For the Marvel Cinematic Universe, Tony Stark will be inventing Ultron and an entire Iron Legion as a way of helping the Avengers with their workload. Suffice to say, things do not turn out well.
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In Tony's defense, I think every geek has, at some point, said to himself or herself, "I'll bet I could find some way to automate this process, it'll save me so much work," and then only to find that it turns out to be more work than before.
 
ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

bhamv3 said:
In Tony's defense, I think every geek has, at some point, said to himself or herself, "I'll bet I could find some way to automate this process, it'll save me so much work," and then only to find that it turns out to be more work than before.
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I am really keen on how they handle the JARVIS to Vision change. Obviously Tony made a new AI to handle the robot suits, the AI that ultimately becomes Ultron, but then I wonder how this goes back to JARVIS. Like, why didn't he use JARVIS in the first place? Why use him now to form Vision? So many questions.

Though I am going to puke if Tony says a line like "No, my friend, you are no longer Jarvis, you are... MY VISION."
 
Terrik

Terrik

ScytheRexx said:
I am really keen on how they handle the JARVIS to Vision change. Obviously Tony made a new AI to handle the robot suits, the AI that ultimately becomes Ultron, but then I wonder how this goes back to JARVIS. Like, why didn't he use JARVIS in the first place? Why use him now to form Vision? So many questions.

Though I am going to puke if Tony says a line like "No, my friend, you are no longer Jarvis, you are... MY VISION."
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That line will most certainly be in there now. Thanks.
 
Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

ScytheRexx said:
I am really keen on how they handle the JARVIS to Vision change. Obviously Tony made a new AI to handle the robot suits, the AI that ultimately becomes Ultron, but then I wonder how this goes back to JARVIS. Like, why didn't he use JARVIS in the first place? Why use him now to form Vision? So many questions.

Though I am going to puke if Tony says a line like "No, my friend, you are no longer Jarvis, you are... MY VISION."
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I'm going to call it now and say that Vision is born from Ultron attempting to corrupt/convert Jarvis.
 
ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Ravenpoe said:
I'm going to call it now and say that Vision is born from Ultron attempting to corrupt/convert Jarvis.
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Actually I like that idea way better. I hope they go that route. Like, Ultron links with Jarvis and give him true sentience, and in the end he chooses to continue fighting for Tony. I know Ultron technically created Vision in the comics, but I figured the whole Jarvis link was going to force a change in that dynamic.
 
Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

If I remember correctly, the original vision was created by Ultron out of the remnants of the original Human Torch, because the first Human Torch was actually a robot... because comics were weird back then.
 
ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Ravenpoe said:
If I remember correctly, the original vision was created by Ultron out of the remnants of the original Human Torch, because the first Human Torch was actually a robot... because comics were weird back then.
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At some point in the comics everyone has been a robot.
 
evilmike

evilmike

Ravenpoe said:
If I remember correctly, the original vision was created by Ultron out of the remnants of the original Human Torch, because the first Human Torch was actually a robot... because comics were weird back then.
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That brings up an interesting point. Will they reference that since Howard Stark actually had access to the body of the original human torch in the movie universe?
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fade

fade

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I wish superhero based movies and TV shows would stop trying to avoid using the characters' handles from the comics anyway. You want to give the name a natural feeling origin in the movie? Sure. Avoiding it outright by using an even cheesier ersatz name? No, that sucks. I feel like someone--a director, writer, or producer--felt the original code name was corny, so they shoehorn in half-names like "Arrow", or the S means Hope on my planet, or The Streak--all of which sound equally corny, and worse feel really out of place to the existing fanbase, who will probably make up most of your audience initially.
 
ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

fade said:
I wish superhero based movies and TV shows would stop trying to avoid using the characters' handles from the comics anyway. You want to give the name a natural feeling origin in the movie? Sure. Avoiding it outright by using an even cheesier ersatz name? No, that sucks. I feel like someone--a director, writer, or producer--felt the original code name was corny, so they shoehorn in half-names like "Arrow", or the S means Hope on my planet, or The Streak--all of which sound equally corny, and worse feel really out of place to the existing fanbase, who will probably make up most of your audience initially.
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Which sounds like it's a BIG problem for DC & WB, but not Marvel. Marvel has at least been openly accepting some of the cornier aspects of comics. Which I'm okay with. Superheroes are inherently corny and silly. You can't have dudes flying around in bright, primary coloured spandex and expect everyone to take it completely seriously. You either accept it and run with it or...well, whatever the hell DC is doing.
 
Covar

Covar

fade said:
I wish superhero based movies and TV shows would stop trying to avoid using the characters' handles from the comics anyway. You want to give the name a natural feeling origin in the movie? Sure. Avoiding it outright by using an even cheesier ersatz name? No, that sucks. I feel like someone--a director, writer, or producer--felt the original code name was corny, so they shoehorn in half-names like "Arrow", or the S means Hope on my planet, or The Streak--all of which sound equally corny, and worse feel really out of place to the existing fanbase, who will probably make up most of your audience initially.
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The Streak will stop once Barry either stops to make sure someone he just rescued is okay, or Iris writes the "My evening with Superman the Flash" article.
 
fade

fade

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Yeah, I mean, I really like Arrow. It's been a good show so far. But I can't help but wince every time they say "The Hood" or "The Arrow" in the show. And then every actor looks uncomfortable saying even those names. I mean, come on. It's a superhero show.
 
ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

ThatNickGuy said:
Which sounds like it's a BIG problem for DC & WB, but not Marvel. Marvel has at least been openly accepting some of the cornier aspects of comics. Which I'm okay with. Superheroes are inherently corny and silly. You can't have dudes flying around in bright, primary coloured spandex and expect everyone to take it completely seriously. You either accept it and run with it or...well, whatever the hell DC is doing.
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I honestly loved what they did with Star-Lord. One of the most generic and cheesy names in comics and by the end you just understand why he uses it, understand so much.
 
Fun Size

Fun Size

fade said:
I wish superhero based movies and TV shows would stop trying to avoid using the characters' handles from the comics anyway. You want to give the name a natural feeling origin in the movie? Sure. Avoiding it outright by using an even cheesier ersatz name? No, that sucks. I feel like someone--a director, writer, or producer--felt the original code name was corny, so they shoehorn in half-names like "Arrow", or the S means Hope on my planet, or The Streak--all of which sound equally corny, and worse feel really out of place to the existing fanbase, who will probably make up most of your audience initially.
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One of my favorite moments on Agents of Shield was the early lampshading of a potential villain.

"Ah crap...they gave him a name."
 
IronBrig4

IronBrig4

fade said:
Yeah, I mean, I really like Arrow. It's been a good show so far. But I can't help but wince every time they say "The Hood" or "The Arrow" in the show. And then every actor looks uncomfortable saying even those names. I mean, come on. It's a superhero show.
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In the first season, Mr. Merlin asks "how about Green Arrow?" Only for Oliver to dismiss it as "lame."

When we see Vision for the first time, I hope there's enough theatrical flair. That's what I've come to associate with that character.

 
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