It doesn't even look that super grim and gritty? It's a barebones teaser, barely anyone talks.
[Movies] The Upcoming Movies Trailer Thread
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I wouldn't go for gritty, but The Thing could get PREEEEEEEEEEEETTY angsty about his mutation. Man it must suck not having a super power off switch.
One character feeling like he's an outcasted monster doesn't make the book as a whole dark and gritty.
Honestly, I think what may have been meant is the fact that the original FF comics were sort of the first to really portray the heroes as not perfect. Obviously they weren't shown as dark or gritty back when Lee and Kirby created them, but they were shown to have flaws. I don't just mean like how the Thing bemoaned his condition, but also how the group as a whole did bicker and have their edges. The whole "dark and gritty" idea sort of takes the idea of having a flawed hero and just does it in a terrible, over-the-top manner. Though the "dark and gritty" trend I think could really be tied to the initial success of The Dark Knight Returns and Watchmen, the Fantastic Four do have that spot in comics history of really being the first flawed heroes. It's just their flaws are in a way that made them feel more human and relatable to readers when they were created.
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Maybe we're talking about different things here. The whole founding principle of the FF comic was heroes with problems, and the idea that stuff goes wrong for the good guys, and people fight among themselves. That's pretty grim and gritty to me. If you're talking look, then okay.[DOUBLEPOST=1422372656,1422372446][/DOUBLEPOST]Also, note I did not say that the FF were themselves grim and gritty. I said they started the trend in a lot of ways.
They were flawed characters who had diverse personalities and problems. But the book still wasn't grim and dark. They went on scientific adventures and overcame obstacles. When I think grim and dark, I think things like the recent Batman movies that try to be as realistic as possible, no matter if you're dealing with a comic book starring a guy with mental problems trapeezing about in a spandex Bat suit.
The characters might have had their struggles, but the stories in general were still fun, light-hearted and emphasized family and exploration. Just because characters might struggle doesn't mean the story is grim and gritty.
The Fantastic Four were in some ways representative of post-war American society. Yes, they were flawed individuals with powers they had a hard time controlling, but the attitude was idealistic, not cynical. Yes, a science experiment gone wrong had transformed them, but they chose to use those transformations to protect and advance society. Reed Richards in particular still believed that science was the key to a better future, even if he was kind of a dick.
Also: that was not a great trailer. I have no urge or interest in seeing the movie at this point.
Yeah, I'd chalk up the "dark and gritty" trend to Watchmen and The Dark Knight Returns.
As to the trailer itself, it doesn't look terrible, but I'll admit my expectations have been really low. They're still pretty low, but at least it doesn't look completely terrible.
Fantfourstic.
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I'm not sure I agree that "grim and gritty" == "cynical".
I'm hoping the troubles continue to the point of shelving the whole frelling thing. They made Dr. Doom a blogger? Eff this movie and everyone involved with it.
And everyone involved's families. And friends.
What do you think the word "grim" means, then?
I think the issue here is that "grim" has sort of become synonymous with "cynical" ever since the Dark Age of Comic Books.
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It is the 41st Millennium. For more than a hundred centuries The Emperor has sat immobile on the Golden Throne of Earth. He is the Master of Mankind by the will of the gods, and master of a million worlds by the might of his inexhaustible armies. He is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with power from the Dark Age of Technology. He is the Carrion Lord of the Imperium for whom a thousand souls are sacrificed every day, so that he may never truly die.
Yet even in his deathless state, the Emperor continues his eternal vigilance. Mighty battlefleets cross the daemon-infested miasma of the Warp, the only route between distant stars, their way lit by the Astronomican, the psychic manifestation of the Emperor's will. Vast armies give battle in his name on uncounted worlds. Greatest amongst his soldiers are the Adeptus Astartes, the Space Marines, bio-engineered super-warriors. Their comrades in arms are legion: the Imperial Guard and countless planetary defence forces, the ever vigilant Inquisition and the tech-priests of the Adeptus Mechanicus to name only a few. But for all their multitudes, they are barely enough to hold off the ever-present threat from aliens, heretics, mutants - and worse.
To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold billions. It is to live in the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be re-learned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only war. There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods.
-The first page of pretty much every single Warhammer 40k novel, even the "humorous" ones like Ciaphas Cain: Hero of the Imperium
Ted 2
I was surprised by how much I enjoyed the first one. So kinda looking forward to this.
I was surprised by how much I enjoyed the first one. So kinda looking forward to this.
At least the main plot in this one has Morgan Freeman and not the lead from "Dads"
No Mila Kunis, wonder if they're just writing her out for this lawyer girl. Either way, I'll see it, because I have the sense of humor of a 10-year-old.
e: Also hopefully there's a red-band trailer coming, because wow that normal one is cut up to hell and back.
e: Also hopefully there's a red-band trailer coming, because wow that normal one is cut up to hell and back.
I loved Million Ways to Die in the West, I think McFarlane can do some great comedy if he lets himself just write and experiment.
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Hey, you know what's still a franchise despite nobody caring? TERMINATOR!
I don't know, I'm kind of interested.
Yeah, not gonna lie. I'm kinda stoked to see it.
Okay people care, BUT my skepticism will not subside.
It's an in-continuity reboot. They could go in any direction they want from here if they play their cards right.
That said, I could do with less cutesy re-do lines from previous movies.
And the Arnold comeback movie I'm really looking forward to is the new Conan.
Time travel will tell I guess, and you do not know HOW happy I would be to eat crow. Like, SO happy. I didn't wan the 2014 turtles movie to suck, I just dealt like a dealing dealer.
Dave
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Why do they keep sending terminators back to the same time? Why not do some simple genealogy and go back another generation or two? A terminator then would be unstoppable with the current tech. Don't kill Sarah Conners, kill her grandmother/father or great-grandmother/grandfather.
Because a Terminator movie becoming a western would be TOO FUCKING AWESOME and would blow too many minds.