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GasBandit

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Why do they keep sending terminators back to the same time? Why not do some simple genealogy and go back another generation or two? A terminator then would be unstoppable with the current tech. Don't kill Sarah Conners, kill her grandmother/father or great-grandmother/grandfather.
Probably because most geneological records would have been lost on Judgement Day, when all the cities of the world basically got nuked simultaneously. They probably had to find out who John Connor's mother was the hard way - eavesdropping on the human resistance.
 

fade

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Probably because most geneological records would have been lost on Judgement Day, when all the cities of the world basically got nuked simultaneously. They probably had to find out who John Connor's mother was the hard way - eavesdropping on the human resistance.
This is it, I believe. It's covered in Cameron's script treatment of the first movie. Skynet wasn't even entirely certain about Sarah Connor--it was an educated guess. Skynet knew Sarah had a broken leg set with screws, so in the original script, the Terminator mutilated the legs of the corpses searching for the screws.

The treatment includes a lot of detail that didn't make it into the movies, including a good bit of infodumping about how the T101's skin suit worked.
 
Probably because most geneological records would have been lost on Judgement Day, when all the cities of the world basically got nuked simultaneously. They probably had to find out who John Connor's mother was the hard way - eavesdropping on the human resistance.
But then the question is, why didn't Skynet send back a non-lethal terminator, collect all the genealogical data that would be needed to destroy the resistance, have the robot "shut down" at a spot where the "younger" Skynet would obviously run into it, reactivate with the data, and then another robot sent back even farther to take out Sarah Conner's family?

Truth be told (if we are going to use logic here), I think it's more likely that Skynet worries that going too far back and altering the timestream may cause a much larger issue for itself. Imagine if it did send a terminator back to the Wild West. Imagine that terminator finished it's job and erased John Conner by killing his great great grandfather, but ultimately the terminator got shut down and stumbled on by a bunch of ranchers who sell it to the US Government. Let's imagine the discovery pushes technological advancement ahead nearly a hundred years. Skynet, at worst, erased itself from existence because the actions that allowed it to come into existence never fell into place as they should, and at best, made itself weaker because, let's say, without WW2, we may never have developed the atom bomb, giving it nothing to use to wipe out nearly all of humanity in a single sweep as all that stockpiling of nukes during the Cold War gave it. Fighting 8 billion people is harder then fighting 8 thousand.

By trying to kill Sarah Conner, it gets rid of the problem with much less of a chance of knocking out it's own existence, since it's not extremely far from Judgement Day. Even in the event it failed, as seen in Terminator 3, it was close enough to the point of creation that it's own birth was just delayed, rather then destroyed.

Then again, it's just a movie. I don't think we are supposed to scrutinize in that much.
 
If Skynet really was a powerful, brilliant creation, it would use the nature of the Terminators subterfuge abilities to the fullest rather then just making a skin suit for a big gun wielding meat head. Imagine it sending a Terminator back five years before Sarah was born, having it take on the identity of an actual person that lived during the time. Have it live among the Conners for awhile, become close, almost like an uncle, then when the time is most optimal, have it bomb her house or drown her in a bathtub, rather then just jump out with a shotgun. For making a machine that can take on the appearance of a person, it sure did a horrible job utilizing those traits in any subversive way.
 
In the first movie all the Terminator has to go on is a name and the city. Its why it rips the page from the phone book and kills a couple other Sarah Connors.
 

GasBandit

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Skynet's brilliance was more about efficiency, not about emulating humans. After all, it's even referenced in the movies that its earlier attempts at making terminator infiltration units had rubber skin, and were spotted immediately. It's learning, but it hasn't learned enough to make a machine that can interact convincingly with humans. That was why the T101 becoming "more human" in T2 was such a big deal - young John Conner was teaching him to be Uncle Bob... compare that to how he behaved earlier in the movie.
 
Huh. You know, when I first saw the link, I let out a very audible "Uuuuuuugh." But then I saw it was by the same people that did the Evil Dead remake, which was a lot better than I expected.

And honestly? This doesn't look half bad, either. Might even be worth seeing in theatres.
 
If Skynet really was a powerful, brilliant creation, it would use the nature of the Terminators subterfuge abilities to the fullest rather then just making a skin suit for a big gun wielding meat head. Imagine it sending a Terminator back five years before Sarah was born, having it take on the identity of an actual person that lived during the time. Have it live among the Conners for awhile, become close, almost like an uncle, then when the time is most optimal, have it bomb her house or drown her in a bathtub, rather then just jump out with a shotgun. For making a machine that can take on the appearance of a person, it sure did a horrible job utilizing those traits in any subversive way.
Wasn't this the plot of the Christian Bale terminator movie that no one watched?
 
Huh. You know, when I first saw the link, I let out a very audible "Uuuuuuugh." But then I saw it was by the same people that did the Evil Dead remake, which was a lot better than I expected.

And honestly? This doesn't look half bad, either. Might even be worth seeing in theatres.
I'm impressed with what looks like a decent stable of practical effects, too. If any of it was CG, it was good enough that I didn't notice right away.

I do worry that they've given away too many of the scares, though. Seemed a bit much.
 
I'm impressed with what looks like a decent stable of practical effects, too. If any of it was CG, it was good enough that I didn't notice right away.

I do worry that they've given away too many of the scares, though. Seemed a bit much.
It feels like they wanted to justify why they remade it, but they may have taken away some of the reason to actually see it.
 
If I had one criticism, I don't think a child fawning over a bedroom closet door is as creepy as the iconic fawning over white noise on a television. Even the new poster has her in front of the closet door instead of the TV.

What made that so creepy in the original is that TV was still just becoming big by that time and there were fears over children becoming zombies in front of the boob tube.
 

Dave

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Kids today wouldn't know what television white noise was. What would you use instead of the closet? I'd use a regular TV and then have it digitized like it was having interference.

I do hate the way that they revealed the whole cemetery thing. It spoils what was a big reveal in the first movie, IIRC. It's been years since I've seen it. And by years I mean that I saw it the year it came out and haven't watched it since.
 
Kids today wouldn't know what television white noise was. What would you use instead of the closet? I'd use a regular TV and then have it digitized like it was having interference.
Yeah, that's true. I guess the closest would be...what? Blue screen of death? No Wifi connection? Low battery? (Eh, @GasBandit? I know that's your biggest fear. :p)

I just love that original image, though. It's a huge part of horror iconography.
 
Keeping in mind that they added the stupid screamy sound effects for the trailer because a promise of jump-scares is the only way to get idiot teenagers to see a horror movie, it looks decent. They're changing enough to where it can likely have its own identity and not feel like it's just leeching off the original for material, and if both can stand as good but different horror movies, that's great. That's what made remakes of The Thing, The Fly, and The Blob memorable (although at this point I prefer all three of those remakes to their 50s originals).

The way they did the doll with the flashlight in the trailer was excellent. You can tell from momentum that it had just moved, but you didn't actually see it yet. I'll be keeping an eye out for this.
 
Not a fan of the guy who shows up in the middle of the trailer with the easy to explain to the audience guide to poltergeists. I hate that shit in movies.

HI, I'M EXPOSITION MAN!
 
Not a fan of the guy who shows up in the middle of the trailer with the easy to explain to the audience guide to poltergeists. I hate that shit in movies.

HI, I'M EXPOSITION MAN!
Just so people know, this has spoilers for a 30+ year old movie:

I'm not a fan of it either, and as Nick said, they give away the cemetery twist right there. I'm hoping that means they're setting up something else to go on during the climax and needed to get that bit out of the way for it. One of the strengths of the original is that no one in the movie really knew what was going on or what they were talking about. The family plays with the spirits at first before realizing this is something meaner than is initially apparent, the paranormal investigators have never experienced phenomena of this magnitude, and even the sagely expert who helps them big-time in what you think is the climax says the house is clean, and boy is she fucking wrong.

And that really helps keep the movie scary and entrancing. I love the quiet scene in the middle where one of the investigators talks with the mom and son about the afterlife. It's sort of an exposition scene, but it doesn't feel like one because it's the kind of thing people have normal conversations about. It's just a soft moment between people while the other characters are asleep. The music doesn't feel like a horror movie there or when the spirits come down the staircase; it's just full of wonder.

Shit, I think I gotta pop that DVD in today. That's such a great movie.
 

figmentPez

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Why do they keep sending terminators back to the same time? Why not do some simple genealogy and go back another generation or two? A terminator then would be unstoppable with the current tech. Don't kill Sarah Conners, kill her grandmother/father or great-grandmother/grandfather.
How far back can the time travel tech go? Why not just say "screw John Connor we're just going to send a nano-factory back to a remote location where it can slowly manufacture an army." They could slowly hollow out some mountain and wipe out a pre-industrial revolution humanity with a wave of gray goo.
 

GasBandit

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How far back can the time travel tech go? Why not just say "screw John Connor we're just going to send a nano-factory back to a remote location where it can slowly manufacture an army." They could slowly hollow out some mountain and wipe out a pre-industrial revolution humanity with a wave of gray goo.
Presumably, part of Skynet's self-awareness is the desire for self preservation. It doesn't just want to wipe out humanity, it wants to continue to exist. So taking an action that would preclude the creation of Skynet is probably off the table.
 

figmentPez

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Presumably, part of Skynet's self-awareness is the desire for self preservation. It doesn't just want to wipe out humanity, it wants to continue to exist. So taking an action that would preclude the creation of Skynet is probably off the table.
Wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey? The only reason Skynet can't "invent" itself, and just make it's own self sustaining time-line is because the writers said that they can't.
 
Wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey? The only reason Skynet can't "invent" itself, and just make it's own self sustaining time-line is because the writers said that they can't.
I would say that doing such would form a paradox, but we are talking about the Terminator series here. This is the series where it turns out John Conner was only concieved because he sent his father back in time to seduce his mother, and where the creation of Skynet may have only happened because of the discovery of the remains to the first Terminator that Skynet sent back in the first place. There are no rules here.
 
I would say that doing such would form a paradox, but we are talking about the Terminator series here. This is the series where it turns out John Conner was only concieved because he sent his father back in time to seduce his mother, and where the creation of Skynet may have only happened because of the discovery of the remains to the first Terminator that Skynet sent back in the first place. There are no rules here.
Actually the 1st film had a pretty tight closed time loop that worked just fine.

Then they had to have a sequel...


Wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey? The only reason Skynet can't "invent" itself, and just make it's own self sustaining time-line is because the writers said that they can't.
In the 1st film Skynet only had 1 chance at time travel before being taken out, and, unlike John, it had no idea if it would even work...
 
Okay I don't want to spend 10 bucks on this, but it still looks fun as hell.

Is it bad that I'd've preferred a less action-packed Hitman film? Sure, going in and blasting your way through the level is a perfectly valid way to play Hitman, but the best part of the game is sneaking in, figuring out how to silently assassinate your target(s), and then sneaking back out with no one the wiser.

I mean, have you guys seen the 2011 film The Mechanic? If not, don't watch it, it sucks. But the opening scene was, I felt, a perfect representation of how Agent 47 would've done it. The target goes for a swim in his pool, and the assassin is already waiting in the deep end, with scuba gear. He grabs the target and drowns him, to make it look like an accident, then sneaks out dressed as a member of the household staff. I got such a Hitman vibe from that scene.



EDIT: Damn I didn't realize the thumbnail would be Jason Statham removing his pants. The clip's SFW, don't worry.
 
Is it bad that I'd've preferred a less action-packed Hitman film? Sure, going in and blasting your way through the level is a perfectly valid way to play Hitman, but the best part of the game is sneaking in, figuring out how to silently assassinate your target(s), and then sneaking back out with no one the wiser.

I mean, have you guys seen the 2011 film The Mechanic? If not, don't watch it, it sucks. But the opening scene was, I felt, a perfect representation of how Agent 47 would've done it. The target goes for a swim in his pool, and the assassin is already waiting in the deep end, with scuba gear. He grabs the target and drowns him, to make it look like an accident, then sneaks out dressed as a member of the household staff. I got such a Hitman vibe from that scene.



EDIT: Damn I didn't realize the thumbnail would be Jason Statham removing his pants. The clip's SFW, don't worry.
All the women of the board thank you for the still :p[DOUBLEPOST=1423758460,1423758383][/DOUBLEPOST]
Presumably, part of Skynet's self-awareness is the desire for self preservation. It doesn't just want to wipe out humanity, it wants to continue to exist. So taking an action that would preclude the creation of Skynet is probably off the table.
Send back nanofactory to 10,000 BC, hollow out Mount Everest, build huge army, wait for split second after Skynet achieves consciousness, roll out the tanks, gg.
 

GasBandit

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Send back nanofactory to 10,000 BC, hollow out Mount Everest, build huge army, wait for split second after Skynet achieves consciousness, roll out the tanks, gg.
Has it been established how far back in time Skynet is able to send things? Maybe the power consumption goes up with temporal distance?
 
Send back nanofactory to 10,000 BC, hollow out Mount Everest, build huge army, wait for split second after Skynet achieves consciousness, roll out the tanks, gg.

Ok, i see no one read my post.

Like i said, in the 1st film it kinda made clear that sending a Terminator to the past was a last desperate move on Skynet's part and it didn't really have any time for anything more complex as the time travel thing was very new.
 
Ok, i see no one read my post.

Like i said, in the 1st film it kinda made clear that sending a Terminator to the past was a last desperate move on Skynet's part and it didn't really have any time for anything more complex as the time travel thing was very new.
Yes, but so? It's a computer. No offense, but their thought processes go a slight bit faster than ours. It'd be just as easy/hard to send back - even the same android - much earlier and just have it build a factory to make worthwhile copies. Heck, if you have only one chance to send something back, at least send back a complete back-up of your own conscience and at least one movable part, as far as you can. Plenty of time to do what's necessary.
 

Dave

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Storm the humans and look for their time machine. Go back a year or so and wage an all-out assault on that area. No need to go back in time to the 1980's.
 
Also, nitpick: the first movie had a closed loop (or about). Fine. Once there was a sequel, that was off the table and Skynet should've been able to do pretty much any other thing we've mentioned.
 
Yes, but so? It's a computer. No offense, but their thought processes go a slight bit faster than ours. It'd be just as easy/hard to send back - even the same android - much earlier and just have it build a factory to make worthwhile copies. Heck, if you have only one chance to send something back, at least send back a complete back-up of your own conscience and at least one movable part, as far as you can. Plenty of time to do what's necessary.
Yeah, they still have that little problem with having to obey the laws of physics... so making a copy of itself would take plenty of time, not to emntion that it had to cover it in living tissue.

And the idea was that it had no time, the humans where closing in and the new, likely untested, time travel device was the only thing that might save it.

But what it didn't know was that the human leader already knew about it, and that time was unalterable.

Like i said, the 1st film actually had time travel that made sense...
 
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