Gas Bandit's Political Thread V: The Vampire Likes Bats

Where do you get US cargo ship out of that article? The thing has a slavic name, a Pacific nation's flag, and is operated by a company headquartered in Germany and/or Singapore. I mean, sure, the company has an English name, but that doenxt make it American. . .does it?
 

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The NFL has decided it would rather lose its tax exempt status than disclose executive pay levels.[DOUBLEPOST=1430242188,1430242169][/DOUBLEPOST]
Where do you get US cargo ship out of that article? The thing has a slavic name, a Pacific nation's flag, and is operated by a company headquartered in Germany and/or Singapore.
It's registered in the Marshall Islands, which is US Territory.
 
. . . I knew I should have checked that possibility. Doh![DOUBLEPOST=1430242560,1430242268][/DOUBLEPOST]The NFL doesn't need tax exempt status. They'll get around them dirty taxes one way or another. Just get some lawyers to deflate their . . . uh, umm . . . Dammit I don't have a good way to end this joke.
 

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Turns out the Midwest is even more racist than the South.


This map was created using data from a new study published in PLOS ONE. According to The Washington Post,

The paper introduces a novel but makes-tons-of-sense-when-you-think-about-it method for measuring the incidence of racist attitudes: Google search data. The methodology comes from data scientist Seth Stephens-Davidowitz. He’s used it before to measure the effect of racist attitudes onBarack Obama’s electoral prospects.​

Via Wonkblog
 

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Huh? Based on what? The traditional "Midwest" is mostly less than average or much less than average. The South is more or far more than average.
Uh, based on the graphic I just posted, and the story about the study from which the graphic came, which was listed right under it.

The triangle that runs from Michigan to NYC to the bottom of WVA is bright crimson. Ohio, PA, and West Virginia sure seem to hate black people.
 
Uh, based on the graphic I just posted, and the story about the study from which the graphic came, which was listed right under it.

The triangle that runs from Michigan to NYC to the bottom of WVA is bright crimson. Ohio, PA, and West Virginia sure seem to hate black people.
Most of that isn't Midwest. PA and WV certainly aren't. Almost all of that area you're citing is the Appalachias from the "Pennsyltucky" portion of PA, through WV and on south. Redneck country through and through.
 

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Most of that isn't Midwest. PA and WV certainly aren't. Almost all of that area you're citing is the Appalachias from the "Pennsyltucky" portion of PA, through WV and on south. Redneck country through and through.
Ah, I might not be up on what exactly constitutes the Midwest then. I had thought it was everything west of NJ and east of Chicago, but the images I find on google seem to generally think it goes from Ohio to the Dakotas. However a lot of those maps also include PA/WV, but also include states I'd call "Great Plains" and not Midwestern.

But you also get "redneck" wrong, that's Alabama. In the appalachians, they're hillbillies.
 
Ah, I might not be up on what exactly constitutes the Midwest then. I had thought it was everything west of NJ and east of Chicago, but the images I find on google seem to generally think it goes from Ohio to the Dakotas. However a lot of those maps also include PA/WV, but also include states I'd call "Great Plains" and not Midwestern.
I would usually think of the Midwest as Big 10 country, not counting Penn State.

And call 'em hillbillies, call 'em rednecks, I call it No Fucking Surprise There.
 
I like how all countries have the same attitude towards people who tend to be poorer and live in the countryside ---they're all uneducated morons we don't like to associate with. Literally every country I've been to seems to hold this viewpoint.
 
I like how all countries have the same attitude towards people who tend to be poorer and live in the countryside ---they're all uneducated morons we don't like to associate with. Literally every country I've been to seems to hold this viewpoint.
Eh, I dunno. In Flanders, it's the city folk we they (I'm one of the city folk :p) don't want to associate with. Western Flanders and Limburg are considered the "polite", "warm", "inviting" parts, where-as the center - Antwerp and Brussels - are considered arrogant snobs. Of course, the fact that Antwerp proudly proclaims itself "the only city in the world" and lists the rest of the country as "parking lot" doesn't help the stereotype. :p
 

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Eh, I dunno. In Flanders, it's the city folk we they (I'm one of the city folk :p) don't want to associate with. Western Flanders and Limburg are considered the "polite", "warm", "inviting" parts, where-as the center - Antwerp and Brussels - are considered arrogant snobs. Of course, the fact that Antwerp proudly proclaims itself "the only city in the world" and lists the rest of the country as "parking lot" doesn't help the stereotype. :p
That's kind of how it works, here, too. Residents of New York, LA, and Chicago pretend those are the only cities and the rest of the nation is called "Flyover Country" (as in, it's the barren, empty nothing you fly over on your way to the important places)... and those of us living in that godforsaken wasteland likewise consider them thar city folk to be effete snobs out of touch with reality.
 
I would argue that the reason why a lot of Wisconsin is in "less to much less than average" (outside of the MKE metro area) is because of the amount of whites living there.
 
Uh, based on the graphic I just posted, and the story about the study from which the graphic came, which was listed right under it.

The triangle that runs from Michigan to NYC to the bottom of WVA is bright crimson. Ohio, PA, and West Virginia sure seem to hate black people.
I have never, in the 30 years of my existence, heard ANYONE utter the word "Successful and Attractive African American" in Ohio. Ever. But that might be because I live so close to Columbus and the cities aren't "dueling bangos, thump your bible" territory.
 

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I have never, in the 30 years of my existence, heard ANYONE utter the word "Successful and Attractive African American" in Ohio. Ever. But that might be because I live so close to Columbus and the cities aren't "dueling bangos, thump your bible" territory.
Or it could just be that how one thinks doesn't necessarily have to match how one speaks.
 
there are far less black people living west of the Mississippi River since no white people physically took them and forced them to live there

also I'm really surprised Boston is dark blue
 
I'm not sure which part you're gif-ing, I didn't think it was a controversial statement that there are large black populations in the rural southern areas where they were enslaved. That's just like. The fact? Same reason there are large Native American populations in Oklahoma and the Big Sky region
 

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I'm not sure which part you're gif-ing, I didn't think it was a controversial statement that there are large black populations in the rural southern areas where they were enslaved. That's just like. The fact? Same reason there are large Native American populations in Oklahoma and the Big Sky region
Guess we can tell all the black people living in Dallas, Houston, Chicago, LA etc that they don't exist because white people didn't take them there.
 
...For once, I have to *shudder* side with Charlie here. He didn't say there was no black people anywhere else, or anything, merely that the concentration of black people in certain areas was linked to the history of slave trade - regions where slaves were imported had a much higher amount of black people. A century later, obviously populations have moved about a bit, but I don't really see how it's a wrong statement to make - at most, the way he worded it was a bit baity.
 

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There are a lot of black people where white people didn't take them. There are more in the south, yes, and for that reason, but the mississippi is not a magic negro excluding forcefield.
 
There are a lot of black people where white people didn't take them. There are more in the south, yes, and for that reason, but the mississippi is not a magic negro excluding forcefield.
Charlie said "far less", not "none". I mean, I haven't gone and checked the numbers, but I'm fairly sure there are less black people there, making his remark at most a bit of an exaggeration.

And I assure you, I know about black people going where they aren't taken. I'm from Europe, remember? :p [/casual racism]
 

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Charlie said "far less", not "none". I mean, I haven't gone and checked the numbers, but I'm fairly sure there are less black people there, making his remark at most a bit of an exaggeration.

And I assure you, I know about black people going where they aren't taken. I'm from Europe, remember? :p [/casual racism]
I suppose it depends on your definition of "Far less." Basically any superlarge metropolitan area has a large black population. Hell, 2 million black people live in NYC, which is very much not "the south."
 

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While the "since no one took them there..." part is speculation, it isn't baseless speculation.

Regardless, the population maps show exactly that there is a far lower percentage of the population identifying as black west of the Mississippi (and north of the mason Dixon line for that matter).

http://www.censusscope.org/us/map_nhblack.html

Whether that actually means far fewer isn't something I checked as I didn't think it would change the point.

If you're gonna hate on Charlie, at least be factual about it.
Yes, there are more black people in the south, but like I said, it depends on what you call "far less." Anybody who's been to Dallas, Chicago, LA, Houston, New York City, Washington DC, etc can tell you there is no shortage of black people. In fact, more black people live in NYC than in all of Mississippi (almost twice as many), even though that's the purplest of the purple regions on that census map.
Note that it very closely matches the most racist map that started the argument. It may be an issue of reporting and not actual attitude. Would be interesting to see that "most racist" per black capita - though I doubt it would be particularly useful.
It doesn't really match in the Appalachian region, though.
 
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