Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoiler thread!)

[Ravenpoe]

I did catch that Stark said that he didn't know why Ultron was keeping the humanoid figure. I guess I just never combined that with the idea that he was seeking to emulate humanity just the writers acknowledging that for a great deal of tasks the human form isn't very efficient and that a variety of forms might have been better for fighting and what not. And yes the fact that Ultron was trying to emulate humanity probably is what was left on the cutting room floor but it does very little to justify how stupid the lips look or really save that part of the movie for me.

I think his goal was to become the 'new' humanity. He mentions that humans need to evolve, and that's what he's doing. The point of creating the Vision body, with actual flesh (albeit bonded with vibranium) and a real organic brain (that Wanda can even read) is because he wants to become a real boy, furthering the Pinocchio theme. Once his artificial meteor hits and wipes out the current humans, he in his newly organic body would become the first of the new humans, which he views as far better. That's the whole reason it's called his 'vision'.

But again, this is mostly speculation of what I think was cut out.

 

[CynicismKills]

Serkis was definitely Klaw, his MO has always been stealing Vibranium, and losing the hand means he can get that sonic weapon if he shows up again in another movie (and he'd better, he was awesome).

Vision is not Jarvis, he says so himself. He's a new being now, a combination of Jarvis and Ultron's programming and functions, with the Mind Gem cherry on top.

All in all I liked the movie. I thought Spader was pretty good as Ultron, it reminded me a lot of how he plays Reddington in Blacklist. Mixing this overwhelming ego and confidence with an almost insane twist of calm and a facade of humor. The sudden bursts of rage where those discs on the side of his face retracted, making him lose the more human face he built for himself and resemble his clone's designs (closer to the look of Ultron in the comics).

Personally I saw the Widow/Banner thing as her trying to save and help him, but after SW's mind-fuck they end up wanting to save each other. She didn't present herself as damaged to Banner until the middle of the movie, but in the end he removed himself from the equation to save both of them, not just her. I feel like people framed Widow as some kind of damsel, but she really put it all aside every time she needed to instead of sitting and crying about it. Even in the end, she doesn't go after Banner, she goes back to work.[DOUBLEPOST=1430943630,1430943325][/DOUBLEPOST]

How does Thor know about the stone found in Guardians? Just by virtue of being in Asgard, or did I miss something?

Thor sees the gems in the vision he got in the pool, or at least I think that's what it implied. Each gem's original form is shown and then shattered to reveal the stone inside.[DOUBLEPOST=1430943755][/DOUBLEPOST]Oh, and no Loki! Hooray!

 

[ThatNickGuy]

I might have missed it in all the excitement, but did they explain why they moved their base of operations from Tony's tower to what I would assume will be Avengers Mansion?

 

[Ravenpoe]

I might have missed it in all the excitement, but did they explain why they moved their base of operations from Tony's tower to what I would assume will be Avengers Mansion?

That's still Tony's Tower. They just put the Avengers logo on it at some point. In Avengers 1, the other letters of STARK fell off, leaving only the A.

 

[ThatNickGuy]

That's still Tony's Tower. They just put the Avengers logo on it at some point. In Avengers 1, the other letters of STARK fell off, leaving only the A.

No no, I mean at the end, with that facility out in the middle of nowhere.

 

[CynicismKills]

I don't remember them saying anything about it, but I figure it's because Stark is bowing out of the Avengers thing, and the Tower was initially Stark Tower.

 

[Ravenpoe]

No no, I mean at the end, with that facility out in the middle of nowhere.

Oh, I just assumed that was a Shield facility.

 

[Sparhawk]

For some reason I think that I remember that it had the Avengers A on the outside. Might have been a Shield facility at one time, but I'm not sure.

 

[GasBandit]

Some of these were so obvious I wouldn't call them easter eggs, and some of these I didn't catch.

 

[CynicismKills]

I caught the Jocasta thing but couldn't remember who it was, so that was cool. The Betty/Veronica thing is pretty slick, never would have thought of that.

 

[CynicismKills]

I like reading all the whiny posts in other places about Ultron's "lips." If he didn't have them he'd have looked like a Muppet with his jaw just waggling up and down.

 

[tegid]

For some reason I think that I remember that it had the Avengers A on the outside. Might have been a Shield facility at one time, but I'm not sure.

I remember that too. And wasn't it captioned 'New base of the avengers' or something like that? Or someone said it.

 

[bhamv3]

I remember that too. And wasn't it captioned 'New base of the avengers' or something like that? Or someone said it.

The caption said something like "New Avengers Facility". Which I thought had a nice double meaning, because it's a new headquarters for the Avengers after their last one (Stark's tower) was trashed. It's also a facility for training the new Avengers.

 

[Hailey Knight]

Having several members of the group retire (at least temporarily) felt like a more mature and rational solution to getting them out of the picture and cutting down the character count than Whedon's usual method.

 

[Dubyamn]

I like reading all the whiny posts in other places about Ultron's "lips." If he didn't have them he'd have looked like a Muppet with his jaw just waggling up and down.

Why would he need to have his jaw move at all? He's a robot, everything he said came out of a speaker anyway.

Oh, I just assumed that was a Shield facility.

I kind of assumed that it was part of Theta Protocol that they talked about in AoS. Even though in the show they only focused on SHEILD keeping the Helicarrier up and running but I mean building a facility for the Avengers probably would be a rounding error on that project.

 

[CynicismKills]

Why would he need to have his jaw move at all? He's a robot, everything he said came out of a speaker anyway.



I kind of assumed that it was part of Theta Protocol that they talked about in AoS. Even though in the show they only focused on SHEILD keeping the Helicarrier up and running but I mean building a facility for the Avengers probably would be a rounding error on that project.

With someone like Spader doing the voice, no facial movement at all would have made for a very boring time every time Ultron spoke.

 

[Ravenpoe]

With someone like Spader doing the voice, no facial movement at all would have made for a very boring time every time Ultron spoke.

Also, as stated many times before, he was trying to emulate humanity. So the lip whiners can get over it.

 

[CynicismKills]

Also, as stated many times before, he was trying to emulate humanity. So the lip whiners can get over it.

That too. I think it looked good and the small things like his face shape changing when he had his rage outbursts were neat additions.

 

[Dubyamn]

Also, as stated many times before, he was trying to emulate humanity. So the lip whiners can get over it.

Well stated in fan theory not in the movie. Which means that it's still a problem with the movie.

Also I stand by my opinion that it looked dumb to have the robot having moving lips.

 

[CynicismKills]

Well stated in fan theory not in the movie. Which means that it's still a problem with the movie.

Also I stand by my opinion that it looked dumb to have the robot having moving lips.

But they mention he's not trying to destroy humanity, but evolve it. Had he gotten his Vision body instead of it being stolen he would have been even more human-like. You can dislike the lips all you want, but he's obviously not as free of humanity as he tries to claim.

 

[Covar]

Well stated in fan theory not in the movie. Which means that it's still a problem with the movie.

Also I stand by my opinion that it looked dumb to have the robot having moving lips.

The whole movie is filled with him making Pinocchio references and Stark and Banner speculating on that exact matter. Pretty stated in the movie I would say.

 

[Dubyamn]

But they mention he's not trying to destroy humanity, but evolve it. Had he gotten his Vision body instead of it being stolen he would have been even more human-like. You can dislike the lips all you want, but he's obviously not as free of humanity as he tries to claim.

The movie doesn't really try to say whether he is trying to preform a catastrophic event that will kill humans but for a group of hardcore survivors that will give birht to an evolved humanity or if he's planning on wiping out humanity and then the new robots in living vibranum bodies will be the "new" humans.

In either case it doesn't necessarily explain why he would devote the resources to make the little motors to give himself "lips."

 

[Ravenpoe]

The movie doesn't really try to say whether he is trying to preform a catastrophic event that will kill humans but for a group of hardcore survivors that will give birht to an evolved humanity or if he's planning on wiping out humanity and then the new robots in living vibranum bodies will be the "new" humans.

In either case it doesn't necessarily explain why he would devote the resources to make the little motors to give himself "lips."

Shouldn't the fact that he uses a humanoid bodyshape bother you more? I mean, it's highly inefficient.

 

[Dubyamn]

Shouldn't the fact that he uses a humanoid bodyshape bother you more? I mean, it's highly inefficient.

Him using a humanoid body is a hold over from the source material. Only so much they can really change with that and still have him be a recognizable villain.

The lips however I don't believe were ever a part of the source material. However they served the dual functions of 1. Taking me out of the movie every time Ultron talked and 2. Making the big bad villain into a joke.

 

[@Li3n]

The lips however I don't believe were ever a part of the source material.

Yeah, no moving lips in still images...

Seriously dude, you just have a weird issue with it...

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That being said, they could have just made his weird speaker cheek things move when he spoke i guess... would have been interesting to see how people would react to that...

 

[Dubyamn]

Yeah, no moving lips in still images...

Not actually moving no but generally when I read comics the people talking in panels have their mouths open and when they aren't their mouths are closed.

Seriously dude, you just have a weird issue with it...

I actually just like arguing on the internet. Honestly that's my wierdiest issue.

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That being said, they could have just made his weird speaker cheek things move when he spoke i guess... would have been interesting to see how people would react to that...

Now we're cooking with gas. Like I said I acknowledge that the lips didn't break the movie for me. They were just a stupid part of a movie that I probably would have let pass me by if I liked the rest of the movie a little more.

 

[Ravenpoe]

I actually just like arguing on the internet. Honestly that's my wierdiest issue.

Nothing wrong with that!

Also, fuck you!

 

[Dei]

Also, weirdest.

 

[Tinwhistler]

They really should have went with the source material.

• Quicksilver grabs Thor's hammer, and rather than it not budging, it takes him out of "quicktime", when in reality, he shoulda just said "hmph, can't move it, moving on."
• The fact that the booze Thor had in his little flask was "distilled for 1000 years" somehow means it's more potent? Alcohol is alcohol. No matter how long it was distilled, the most it can get is EverClear strength, and a little thimbleful wouldn't make you falling down drunk. Excelsior!
• Vision can burn Ultron copies out of the internet, but not out of the Ultron bodies that are connected to the internet?
• They completely changed Scarlet Witch's powers.
• Nick Fury, who is presumed dead by SHIELD and the world, and in charge of nothing, comes back with a SHIELD helicarrier at the end.
• Breaking the flying city into a million chunks doesn't change the amount of mass or force impacting the earth. It would still have triggered a cataclysmic event. A million tons of one rock, or a million tons of a million rocks is still a million tons. Where did all that mass go when they broke it up?

But yeah, those lips. Those ruined it.

 

[GasBandit]

Wouldn't a million tons of a million exploded granules of dirt be more affected by wind resistance on the way down than one million ton clod?

 

[CynicismKills]

Ultron's "weird speaker things" fold away when he's angry.

Also

Making the big bad villain into a joke.

If all it takes is an emotive face to take you out of a movie I can't imagine you're any fun at any comic book movie. Eisenberg's accent was balls, but I didn't let it ruin the movie for me.

 

[Tinwhistler]

Wouldn't a million tons of a million exploded granules of dirt be more affected by wind resistance on the way down than one million ton clod?

Perhaps if it was blown up into salt crystal sized pieces, and they were well dispersed. That wasn't really what we saw in the movie. We saw a large central explosion which would have blown the city into variable sized pieces, with most of it having enough mass to rip through the atmosphere without too much issue.

But even if the explosion was so powerful as to disperse the floating city in super-tiny pieces and completely vaporize them in the air, then we essentially have a multi-megaton nuclear air burst so powerful it would have had cataclysmic effects for miles, and taken the helicarrier clear out of the sky. There's no way it could have gotten away in time. It would have been the equivalent of the Tunguska event, except on an even bigger scale. That meteor was only estimated to be a few hundred feet in size, and flattened 770 sq miles of forest.

Either you have a lot of mass hitting the earth, or a lot of mass being converted to energy. And a lot of the kinetic energy already existing in the falling city being converted to heat and light. E=MC2.

So either way, that scene is more dumb than lips

 

[GasBandit]

So either way, that scene is more dumb than lips

What's REALLY dumb is Pym's stance in that comic panel. I can feel my thighs burning just looking at it!

 

[Frank]

Perhaps if it was blown up into salt crystal sized pieces, and they were well dispersed. That wasn't really what we saw in the movie. We saw a large central explosion which would have blown the city into variable sized pieces, with most of it having enough mass to rip through the atmosphere without too much issue.

But even if the explosion was so powerful as to disperse the floating city in super-tiny pieces and completely vaporize them in the air, then we essentially have a multi-megaton nuclear air burst so powerful it would have had cataclysmic effects for miles, and taken the helicarrier clear out of the sky. There's no way it could have gotten away in time. It would have been the equivalent of the Tunguska event, except on an even bigger scale. That meteor was only estimated to be a few hundred feet in size, and flattened 770 sq miles of forest.

Either you have a lot of mass hitting the earth, or a lot of mass being converted to energy. And a lot of the kinetic energy already existing in the falling city being converted to heat and light. E=MC2.

So either way, that scene is more dumb than lips

Maybe the vibranium reactor thingy explosion vaporized large quantities of the mass.

 

[@Li3n]

They completely changed Scarlet Witch's powers.

So they stayed true to the comics...