Gas Bandit's Political Thread V: The Vampire Likes Bats

If, as @GasBandit suggests, "...the federal government can now do whatever it wants to whomever it wants, no matter what any law says," then adding additional amendments would do nothing, as those amendments would also be ignored.

--Patrick
Possibly, but that also sounds like a great way for a government to simply devour itself. The day the Supreme Court decided it didn't need to follow an amendment that was specifically created to define the scope of it's powers is the day that someone in the Executive or Legislative branches quietly (or not so quietly) eliminates them and a bunch of new judges are appointed.

Really, the entire problem with the Supreme Court and it's ability to do shit like this is because of how ill-defined it's powers are in the firs tplace. It's all pretty much ceremonial and based on what previous Supreme Courts have decided they could get away with. There are certainly reasons to believe that the designers of our government never intended for them to have the kind of power they exercise on a daily basis, but no one's done anything about it because it's too useful to have a bi-partisan group having final say on things without repercussion.
 

GasBandit

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I actually agree with their reasoning, if only because it's following one of the most cherished and abused methodologies that people like to drag up whenever they argue anything the Supreme Court decides: "What were the Founding Fathers trying to do here?" or rather, in this case, "What were the original law makers trying to do here?". In this example it's perfectly clear: they wanted people to be able to afford the healthcare they are mandating because the point of the ACA was to get more people insured. The wording was to intended to encourage states to get involved in the process in a way that was for the benefit of their residents, not to give the states a method to deny people the means to afford healthcare. Why would it when the ACA was designed around getting people access to healthcare? Why force people without it to endure hardships because of bad government until they got a chance to remove the problem YEARS after it started?
Congress can try to legislate us a moonbase without a space program, that doesn't mean it's possible, and it doesn't mean the supreme court can say "well OBVIOUSLY they meant to have a space program, despite them saying not to have a space program, because it won't work without a space program" because it's not the role of the supreme court to write legislation. They can either uphold a law, or overturn it. They're not supposed to (and I hesitate to use the old cliche) legislate from the bench.

The law intended to shift some of the financial burden of the ACA to the states, so that it could come in under the magic number of $1 trillion on paper (when it's an open secret it will and is costing several times more). That was part of what got it passed. Just like the "This is not a tax" assurances. Just like the "you can keep your plan/doctor if you like it" assurances. None of it was true, but now thanks to the SCOTUS, it's baked in, and will leave a huge exit wound when it explodes.

Ironically, this is probably the most compelling argument the gun lobby could use to settle the 2nd Amendment once and for all. Whatever my harder left compatriots try to argue, the point of the 2nd Amendment was clearly to allow the people the means to fight a corrupt government and to prevent it from trying to remove them as a threat. If the logic behind the ACA decision was applied here, it would clearly be in favor of the Gun Lobby. We reap what we sow and this ruling has all sorts of fun/horribly awful applications.
It's even worse, it means they can decide whatever they want on any topic, regardless of the wording or intent of the law. Because it's no longer what the law says, or what the law means, it's what the current political desire is that matters.

In any event, this entire thing has been the Supreme Court deciding that the ACA can't work the way it's designers tried to sell it from Day One. We already had them decide that it's legal to tax people for this (and the only way ti could work), despite the Obama's administration's constant portrayals that it wasn't a tax. It's not surprising that they'd tell them again that "No, it works like THIS, and this method is perfectly legal so SUCK IT." Maybe it's time to start writing some amendments to more narrowly define the role of the Supreme Court?
I like what Scalia said in his dissent - "We've rewritten this law 3 times now, it ought to be called SCOTUScare."
 

GasBandit

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The supreme court, today, has ruled that same-sex marriage is legal nationwide.

In his dissent, Chief Justice John Roberts said "This court is not a legislature. "

OH REALLY, JOHN

REALLY

NOW the SCOTUS isn't a legislature?!

NOW?

Where were you yesterday?

OH THAT'S RIGHT, LEGISLATING FROM THE BENCH. Rewriting the ACA with no involvement from congress and no Presidential signature. Fucking completely doing away with the concept of Rule of Law.

This is the textbook, TEXTBOOK example of being hoisted by your own petard.

AKA what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

AKA who lives by the sword etc.
 
Hey so one of those escaped murderers was shot and killed.

Slow news day: gay marriage, escaped murderer in a shootout, terrorism in Tunisia, France and Kuwait . So BORING

And the main headline on most Belgian news? "the replacement for the Foo Fighters on our biggest festival, Faith No More, was received mildly positive, but they're no Foo Fighters!". Other main headlines: "this song criticizing a government decision won't be played on some national media! CENSORSHIP OMG We live in a dictatorship!"

Seriously, our news media needs to get their heads out of their collective asses.
 
And the main headline on most Belgian news? "the replacement for the Foo Fighters on our biggest festival, Faith No More, was received mildly positive, but they're no Foo Fighters!". Other main headlines: "this song criticizing a government decision won't be played on some national media! CENSORSHIP OMG We live in a dictatorship!"

Seriously, our news media needs to get their headshot out of their collective asses.
Wait, they are complaining about FaithNoMore. That's just nuts.
 
Wait, they are complaining about FaithNoMore. That's just nuts.
"they were the hippest, coolest band on [other smaller festival], but they're too old and static for Rock Werchter".

Back when I went to Werchter, I loved seeing some classic greats. Youth these days :p
 
If there was a day for the SJWs to reveal what pricks they are, it's today. Instead of being happy that same-sex marriage is legal across the U.S., the sentiment from them is "but there's still all this other stuff to fix!"

No shit. But that doesn't mean take a shit on each accomplishment. Let people have at least the fucking weekend to celebrate. Acting like no accomplishment means anything makes much-needed allies quit, and makes those who are directly affected despair.
 

GasBandit

Staff member
If there was a day for the SJWs to reveal what pricks they are, it's today. Instead of being happy that same-sex marriage is legal across the U.S., the sentiment from them is "but there's still all this other stuff to fix!"

No shit. But that doesn't mean take a shit on each accomplishment. Let people have at least the fucking weekend to celebrate. Acting like no accomplishment means anything makes much-needed allies quit, and makes those who are directly affected despair.
This is what happens when you define yourself by the struggle, not the cause.

You totally Britta it.
 
If there was a day for the SJWs to reveal what pricks they are, it's today. Instead of being happy that same-sex marriage is legal across the U.S., the sentiment from them is "but there's still all this other stuff to fix!"

No shit. But that doesn't mean take a shit on each accomplishment. Let people have at least the fucking weekend to celebrate. Acting like no accomplishment means anything makes much-needed allies quit, and makes those who are directly affected despair.
Well, the only thing I've seen other than jubilation is pointing out it's still legal to fire someone for being gay in more than half of the states.

I'd rather see that than for example this fucking shit:



He quickly deleted it.
 
This has always been a problem for minority candidates at the national level. There's a perception (justified or not) that the only way you can get yourself to that strata politically is by embracing the conspiracies and organizations that fight to keep non-whites out of power. Worse, that these candidates have more in common with their white peers than their "own people", which is going to prevent any meaningful change from occurring in the lives of the common man. Even The Boondocks had Riley (the mouthpiece for sanity) basically saying this about Barack Obama.

I find it completely insane.
 

GasBandit

Staff member
This has always been a problem for minority candidates at the national level. There's a perception (justified or not) that the only way you can get yourself to that strata politically is by embracing the conspiracies and organizations that fight to keep non-whites out of power. Worse, that these candidates have more in common with their white peers than their "own people", which is going to prevent any meaningful change from occurring in the lives of the common man. Even The Boondocks had Riley (the mouthpiece for sanity) basically saying this about Barack Obama.

I find it completely insane.
If I remember correctly, it was actually Huey who was nonplussed about Obama, Riley bought into the hype with Granddad. Or am I mistaken?
 
This has always been a problem for minority candidates at the national level. There's a perception (justified or not) that the only way you can get yourself to that strata politically is by embracing the conspiracies and organizations that fight to keep non-whites out of power. Worse, that these candidates have more in common with their white peers than their "own people", which is going to prevent any meaningful change from occurring in the lives of the common man. Even The Boondocks had Riley (the mouthpiece for sanity) basically saying this about Barack Obama.

I find it completely insane.
By trying to fight the Man through the System, you become the Man.
 
The man is a complete buffoon, and I'm happy everytime I hear that he gets boycotted/cut-off/ignored/slapped down.
 
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