[Webcomic] The Order of the Stick thread
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Not likely, but remember that the staff contains some good spells, but a lot of them still work if he's not holding the staff, so it's only a "then dispel" kind of thing, which Roy obviously can't do on his own, and any such "assault" is probably forbidden there...
...except if somebody has since reported how the people enforcing neutrality have already been assaulted. Then possible help from them. But we'll see!
I really don't see how Thor couldn't dispel it through his attending Cleric. You could argue that's assaulting Hel's representative, but you could also argue that Durkon (a Cleric of Thor) is simply being skinjacked by Hel's priest and Thor can do whatever he wants to his cleric.
Ah, I had assumed the Protection from Daylight spell was something that required physical contact to maintain its effect, but apparently not.
--Patrick
Love the "Snapoutta!" sound effect! 
Also, does healing and buffing count as assault? Because with so many Clerics around Roy should not be losing any HP.
Something tells me that if you were to get exp for doing it, it counts. Thus healing would count.
"every buff I have", wouldn't there be a few in there that'd be actively harmful for a vampire?
That was my thought as well.
Well that just shows that the rules don't prohibit them helping Roy, its just some Sun goddess making her cleric use his spells to help the vamp... wait a second...
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I noticed the color as significant, but had assumed it was meant to signify some sort of sandstorm.
Here's my thoughts: the end game here isn't for the vote to got through and to have the gods trigger the end of the world. It's to get another avatar to start fighting another. I'm guessing Hel/Durkon has the means to kill a god through their avatar and she made a deal with the monster demi-gods to give them the world if they agree not to blow it up when the others are dead. She gets her followers whether they come from the apocalpyse or whatever: she just needs to bump off the competition to make it happen.
Hel might even be counting on Belkar trying to kill Durkon and having all bets be off. Too bad he's probably killing all the demi-god avatars as we speak so there won't be anyone left TO vote.
Hel might even be counting on Belkar trying to kill Durkon and having all bets be off. Too bad he's probably killing all the demi-god avatars as we speak so there won't be anyone left TO vote.
That was my Belkar theory as well.
Also I read "On the Origin of PCs" yesterday and do not feel bad about it at all if the dwarves get fucked.
Though I don't think Hel is out to kill the other gods at the Godsmoot. The world is really just a gathering of souls for the gods to fight over, and it makes perfect sense that Hel just wants the soul of every dwarf so that she can be greater than Thor.
Also I read "On the Origin of PCs" yesterday and do not feel bad about it at all if the dwarves get fucked.
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Well fuck. CODzilla strikes again. Guess it makes sense that Durkon would be able to shrug off that maneuver sometimes, since it probably is a Concentration check of some kind.
Oh. Just looked up Harm. It's kinda meh in 3rd, 10hp/level. I've only ever seen/used it in 2nd, where it reduces the target's hit points to 1d4 (Save negates) IIRC
Oh. Just looked up Harm. It's kinda meh in 3rd, 10hp/level. I've only ever seen/used it in 2nd, where it reduces the target's hit points to 1d4 (Save negates) IIRC
They're almost certainly over 15th level. It's 150 damage. That's nothing to sneeze at.#1006 Uninterrupted Torment
Well fuck. CODzilla strikes again. Guess it makes sense that Durkon would be able to shrug off that maneuver sometimes, since it probably is a Concentration check of some kind.
Oh. Just looked up Harm. It's kinda meh in 3rd, 10hp/level. I've only ever seen/used it in 2nd, where it reduces the target's hit points to 1d4 (Save negates) IIRC
Hence the "Well fuck."
From a rules standpoint:
A lot of spells had that happen in the AD&D->3.0/3.5 transition. Compare others like Lightning Bolt (where's the bouncing?), or Haste (where's the aging?). This is a matter of opinion, of course.
From a rules standpoint:
- Pros:
- You can kill with it (if they don't save)
- Save for 1/2 instead of Negate, reliable damage.
- Cons:
- Don't forget to account for 3rd's HP-creep.
- Doesn't inflict diseases.
A lot of spells had that happen in the AD&D->3.0/3.5 transition. Compare others like Lightning Bolt (where's the bouncing?), or Haste (where's the aging?). This is a matter of opinion, of course.
Stuff like Haste aging was dropped because NO ONE enforced it and at upper levels it wasn't hard to undo the aging via items or wishes. Other magical effects got dropped because they wanted the Wizard Schools to be more important... and really, an Evocation Wizard can basically drop Fireballs to their hearts content without TPKing the party thanks to it's feat.
As for Harm... I'm pretty sure Durkon just fucked himself. Harm was probably his self healing gambit (Harm acts like Heal on undead) so now Belkar can just absolutely destroy him with spells effects. How? Because he probably just destroyed/cowed an entire room full of magically outfitted clerics of demigods and, as a Rogue, can just Use Magic Device ALL OF IT until he finds something that kills Durkon dead. Doesn't Holy Word/Dictum/Whatever basically do EVERYTHING he can't heal now? Or, fuck, he could really just use a Staff of Raising to do it.
As for Harm... I'm pretty sure Durkon just fucked himself. Harm was probably his self healing gambit (Harm acts like Heal on undead) so now Belkar can just absolutely destroy him with spells effects. How? Because he probably just destroyed/cowed an entire room full of magically outfitted clerics of demigods and, as a Rogue, can just Use Magic Device ALL OF IT until he finds something that kills Durkon dead. Doesn't Holy Word/Dictum/Whatever basically do EVERYTHING he can't heal now? Or, fuck, he could really just use a Staff of Raising to do it.
My group must have the only DMs that enjoy all of those extra little tidbits, then Fireballs, Lightning Bolts, ... are harder to use (and more rewarding) when you do expansion in small spaces, bouncing, etc.
Good point! I guess story-wise it would be pretty disappointing if he had another Harm up his sleeve, with how much emphasis was put on the use of this one.
Are there any prior instances of Belkar doing Use Magic Device? I can't think of any (I'm not counting The Eye of Fear and Flame). I feel like Use Magic Device is a Haley thing, but I'm very likely wrong.
Fireballs, Lightning Bolts, ... are harder to use (and more rewarding) when you do expansion in small spaces, bouncing, etc.Good point! I guess story-wise it would be pretty disappointing if he had another Harm up his sleeve, with how much emphasis was put on the use of this one.
Are there any prior instances of Belkar doing Use Magic Device? I can't think of any (I'm not counting The Eye of Fear and Flame). I feel like Use Magic Device is a Haley thing, but I'm very likely wrong.
You're right, Haley's the rogue.