So, I had to go look up this architect letter thing. It's an image, so I hadda find an online OCR converter. I'm only quoting the relevant section. My notes on the errors are in red.
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[Movies] Star Wars The Force Awakens SPOILER THREAD!
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There's no way the death star was that small. They mistook it for a moon, which going by ours, is over 2k Miles in diameter.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Death_Star_II/Legends
Death Star 2 was always listed as 160 kms big and being significantly larger than the original Death Star.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Death_Star
Death Star being 120.
To be fair, that 120 figure is mentioned in the most recent official publication. Prior official publications have listed it anywhere from 140 to 160.
Which is still small enough for one of our modern-day LRAAMs to fly in one end and out the other. No official publication has given the size to be anything other than somwhere between 100 and 200km..certainly something not as large as our own moon.
Our own moon wouldn't qualify as a "small moon" either (which is what Han called the death star upon first viewing it). Ours is one of the handful of extremely large moons in the solar system. If we're judging based on our own solar system, most moons are far far smaller than the death star is reported to have been, even at 120km diameter--as so noted by @Sparhawk
I had the old orange technical manual from decades ago and it listed both DS and DS2 as 120 and 160.
This guy:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Essential_Guide_to_Vehicles_and_Vessels
Well, there you have it
Jesus fucking Christ what happened to this fucking thread
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Star Wars nerds are discussing Star Wars in a nerdy fashion.
Next, we will analyze who would win in a duel, TFA Kylo Ren or ESB Luke Skywalker.
Whoever wins, will still be inept.
did you know... the pilot that survived the trench run was Darth Vader's son? FOLLOW THE FACTS, SHEEPLE!! FALSE FLAG!!
Wedge Antilles is a Skywalker too?
No, but everyone knows he is a member of the Rothschild family. THINK, PEOPLE!!!
Finally saw it! I really liked it.
The saddest thing was seeing Chewie in the pilot seat because Han wasn't there anymore. God I cried a lot at that.
I was hoping more for Fin to be force sensitive mostly because I like that idea of a storm trooper turned Jedi. But I also really liked that they did do that switch from what the trailers implied.
It felt really fun and like a good classic star wars movie. The Saber fight was good in that it was more simple. I was really worried that Fin died because he wasn't useful anymore but I'm glad he'll be back.
I didn't like the very end. I was hoping Luke would show up sooner, and maybe actually say something. Plus just the shot went on for like 2 seconds too long.
The saddest thing was seeing Chewie in the pilot seat because Han wasn't there anymore. God I cried a lot at that.
I was hoping more for Fin to be force sensitive mostly because I like that idea of a storm trooper turned Jedi. But I also really liked that they did do that switch from what the trailers implied.
It felt really fun and like a good classic star wars movie. The Saber fight was good in that it was more simple. I was really worried that Fin died because he wasn't useful anymore but I'm glad he'll be back.
I didn't like the very end. I was hoping Luke would show up sooner, and maybe actually say something. Plus just the shot went on for like 2 seconds too long.
Except that seems to be a common complaint.Because this seems to be the most common complaint.
Nice hat. What are you supposed to be, a government agent?
I've noticed that much of the complaining is due to people wanting Episode VII to have the same effect that Episode IV had in 1977. They expected a mind-blowing experience but instead they got a serviceable film that served as a palate cleanser after the prequels. It had the same elements as Episode IV but didn't make viewers feel like kids again.
I've noticed that much of the complaining is due to people wanting Episode VII to have the same effect that Episode IV had in 1977. They expected a mind-blowing experience but instead they got a serviceable film that served as a palate cleanser after the prequels. It had the same elements as Episode IV but didn't make viewers feel like kids again.
Speak for yourself.
^What he said
It's almost like different people had different reactions to the same movie, which makes it inaccurate to paint any assessment with a broad brush.
It's almost like different people had different reactions to the same movie, which makes it inaccurate to paint any assessment with a broad brush.
Star Wars changed movies forever. No sequel will ever come close to that.
Time for a tale!
Episode VII made me excited and joyous like a kid, but there's never going to be a movie experience like when I was 6 years old in 1991 and watching Star Wars for the first time. I remember that night fondly. It was a school night, but I was so into the movie that my parents didn't bug me about bed time until it was over. I remember being awed by the opening, and being more scared of the Jawas than I should've been--but acceptable level of scared, not "turn it off" scared. Watching R2-D2 going through the desert, everything felt so mysterious and confusing. Then it follows Luke and Obi-Wan, the banthas, Mos Eisley. I'd never seen so many crazy creatures in anything.
I wasn't attuned to the details, but I was old enough to tell what was going on overall. I understood there were cool guys with laser swords called Jedi; I understood Vader was evil (though I thought he was in charge of the Empire). Weird moment was when Alderan is blown up. I understood Leia's planet had been blown up, but I didn't feel anything until Obi-Wan said his famous line, and for some reason that made it resonate with my 6-year-old brain that a bunch of people had just been killed, and suddenly I was worried for our heroes, because back then I didn't yet know that some movie characters are safe.
In fact, my worries for the sake of everyone involved were only confirmed by Obi-Wan's death. I'd never seen that happen to a hero in a movie before. It didn't freak me out, but my mouth was hanging wide open when his cloak dropped to the floor. I understood from Mos Eisley that litesabers were supposed to cut things, so when Obi-Wan just melted I thought Vader had some even more dangerous litesaber (evidenced by its red color!) that could melt people or something. That whole part gripped my baby heart, because I'd just been laughing at him and Han Solo not getting along only a little while ago!
And because movies feel longer when you're a kid, it felt like a friggin epic. I was never bored, but it felt like I'd been in this forever. I was absolutely hooked. When it came to the Death Star trenches and the climax, I was probably a foot and a half from the TV. That whole finale is masterfully done, but as a little kid, it was as stressful as it was exhilarating. Any X-wing that went down, I knew Luke's could be next, and where the hell was Han Solo? For some reason I hadn't grasped that he'd really ditched them until midway through the climax, but eventually I realized he wasn't going to help. The X-wing that hit only the side of the weak spot made me realize this could fail. So when Darth Vader's TIE-fighter locked-on, I honestly thought Luke was going to die, and they were going to lose, that it was going to be Obi-Wan again ... and then Han Solo comes in and saves him, and Luke lands the shot. I shouted "YES!" at the top of my little lungs, and smiled through the rest of the ending.
Granted, at the time I thought that was the end of the Empire and the Rebellion had won forever--oh naive little me. But at the time, Star Wars was the coolest thing that could ever be.
I still love the movie, but it's never going to be what it was that night. That doesn't make it any less; just means I've changed and grown, and I get to enjoy it a different way now.
Episode VII made me excited and joyous like a kid, but there's never going to be a movie experience like when I was 6 years old in 1991 and watching Star Wars for the first time. I remember that night fondly. It was a school night, but I was so into the movie that my parents didn't bug me about bed time until it was over. I remember being awed by the opening, and being more scared of the Jawas than I should've been--but acceptable level of scared, not "turn it off" scared. Watching R2-D2 going through the desert, everything felt so mysterious and confusing. Then it follows Luke and Obi-Wan, the banthas, Mos Eisley. I'd never seen so many crazy creatures in anything.
I wasn't attuned to the details, but I was old enough to tell what was going on overall. I understood there were cool guys with laser swords called Jedi; I understood Vader was evil (though I thought he was in charge of the Empire). Weird moment was when Alderan is blown up. I understood Leia's planet had been blown up, but I didn't feel anything until Obi-Wan said his famous line, and for some reason that made it resonate with my 6-year-old brain that a bunch of people had just been killed, and suddenly I was worried for our heroes, because back then I didn't yet know that some movie characters are safe.
In fact, my worries for the sake of everyone involved were only confirmed by Obi-Wan's death. I'd never seen that happen to a hero in a movie before. It didn't freak me out, but my mouth was hanging wide open when his cloak dropped to the floor. I understood from Mos Eisley that litesabers were supposed to cut things, so when Obi-Wan just melted I thought Vader had some even more dangerous litesaber (evidenced by its red color!) that could melt people or something. That whole part gripped my baby heart, because I'd just been laughing at him and Han Solo not getting along only a little while ago!
And because movies feel longer when you're a kid, it felt like a friggin epic. I was never bored, but it felt like I'd been in this forever. I was absolutely hooked. When it came to the Death Star trenches and the climax, I was probably a foot and a half from the TV. That whole finale is masterfully done, but as a little kid, it was as stressful as it was exhilarating. Any X-wing that went down, I knew Luke's could be next, and where the hell was Han Solo? For some reason I hadn't grasped that he'd really ditched them until midway through the climax, but eventually I realized he wasn't going to help. The X-wing that hit only the side of the weak spot made me realize this could fail. So when Darth Vader's TIE-fighter locked-on, I honestly thought Luke was going to die, and they were going to lose, that it was going to be Obi-Wan again ... and then Han Solo comes in and saves him, and Luke lands the shot. I shouted "YES!" at the top of my little lungs, and smiled through the rest of the ending.
Granted, at the time I thought that was the end of the Empire and the Rebellion had won forever--oh naive little me. But at the time, Star Wars was the coolest thing that could ever be.
I still love the movie, but it's never going to be what it was that night. That doesn't make it any less; just means I've changed and grown, and I get to enjoy it a different way now.
So why basically rehash it plot point for plot point?
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http://www.avclub.com/article/george-lucas-claimed-star-wars-movies-rhyme-and-vi-225155
...this is my only guess, and I'm not defending it further (or at all, really). But I loved this movie and am waiting for the next to see if it fits.
Ask the writer? It really sounds like a lot of people had an awful time at this. That sucks, but the movie following the structure of A New Hope doesn't make it bad.
Something I'm appreciative of--like I said, there were a bunch of little kids at my screening. They filled the front rows and some of them had little litesabers. For many kids, this is their first Star Wars movie. That's a wonderful thing, because it's a fun movie, and it's also wonderful because we're past the prequel generation. There was a pocket of unfortunate youths for whom the prequels = Star Wars. But that time has passed. For kids now, VII, VIII, and IX will be their trilogy, and I'm really happy for them. Based on VII, they're going to get a good trilogy, like we did. I'm happy for them.
So did this guy also forget that Luke used the force to guide the torpedo? I get really annoyed when people get hung up on the physics of Star Wars. Technically, the Death Star had enough mass to exert its own gravity, but being a lot of empty space inside (open air rooms - read: not solid mantle) people should have been floating around inside like little bobbers.
I'd just assume they used whatever technology they have that created artificial gravity, especially since the Death Star seemed to have floors like a building.
I think it's implied that they have some type of artificial gravity generators, since everyone on every ship is standing and walking and not floating.