Gas Bandit's Political Thread V: The Vampire Likes Bats
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Dave
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When schools and businesses take out loans, they rely a lot of time on projected income as a way to offset the interest and estimate ability to pay. This is not fraud as much as overestimation of compensatory availability. This happens all the time in many different businesses. She assumed that the added land and housing would equate to additional donor funding and enrollment, which did not materialize. Trust me when I say that this goes on. It may not have been the SMARTEST thing, but that doesn't make it fraud.
Oh, and that site talking about how she raised tuition when Bernie always talks about free college...that's just a stupid comparison. Schools do NOT want to raise tuition. We HATE it. In fact, we do everything we can to prevent it. But sometimes you have to. It's still a business, even if it's non-profit.
Oh, and that site talking about how she raised tuition when Bernie always talks about free college...that's just a stupid comparison. Schools do NOT want to raise tuition. We HATE it. In fact, we do everything we can to prevent it. But sometimes you have to. It's still a business, even if it's non-profit.
GasBandit
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You know who believes in the same spending policies as Bernie Sanders?
Frank, unlike in our system, in the USA "First Spouse" is actually an official government position (hence some of the "interesting" stuff around our PM's wife this week). So... she kind of is running for a position. And that's besides the point that I already made that whom you associate with matters. It says something about you. And that's regardless of the country.
A) Emergency doctors and medics were obligated to treat Nazi injured just the same as Allied ones - even if they were just going to end up in POW camps afterwards. There have been convictions of medics for not doing so. If you can still treat a Nazi during WWII, you damn well can help a lesbian when she comes in. Any doctor refusing (necessary/emergency) care would face trial and would be considered not having followed the oath.
B) Bernie Sanders' wife may have done shady things, I'm sure Hillary's husband has, as well.
C) "Hillary would win this without these shenanigans" is a nice statement, but impossible to prove. Once you find part of her support or wins were because of fraud, that casts doubt on a whole lot of others. They're 300 or so non-super delegates apart, maybe without fraud it'd have been 150 - who knows? It might've been closer, and she (or, more likely, someone supporting her) might have been scared and done stupid things. We'll never know.
D) I doubt Hillary will win against Trump. She's too easy a target - from fraud allegations, over being the face of the establishment, to all of her husband's failings both left and right, being "Clinton II" like we had "Bush II", the e-mail thing, and so on and so forth. Sanders v Trump would've been quite a historic election, though.
B) Bernie Sanders' wife may have done shady things, I'm sure Hillary's husband has, as well.
C) "Hillary would win this without these shenanigans" is a nice statement, but impossible to prove. Once you find part of her support or wins were because of fraud, that casts doubt on a whole lot of others. They're 300 or so non-super delegates apart, maybe without fraud it'd have been 150 - who knows? It might've been closer, and she (or, more likely, someone supporting her) might have been scared and done stupid things. We'll never know.
D) I doubt Hillary will win against Trump. She's too easy a target - from fraud allegations, over being the face of the establishment, to all of her husband's failings both left and right, being "Clinton II" like we had "Bush II", the e-mail thing, and so on and so forth. Sanders v Trump would've been quite a historic election, though.
I agree. It turns into fraud though if it's a deliberate misrepresentation. This is actually one of the best cases I can see to go to court actually. It should be provable with documents on whether their loan was fraud (deliberately inflated the numbers to get the money), or pure stupidity and over-optimism to think the donations would go up that much. So I agree it's not cut-n-dry, but I disagree with what I quoted the first time that it definitely is not fraud. I don't know, but it looks like either fraud, or gross stupidity.
Because, you know, a private college is EXACTLY like a country.[DOUBLEPOST=1463506656,1463506574][/DOUBLEPOST]
Trump doesn't have a chance of winning. He has male white voters. That's it. That's his entire voter base.
GasBandit
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I'm not of the opinion Jane Sanders committed any crime or even non-illegal malfeasance. Merely that she spent the institution for which she was responsible into bankruptcy, and coincidentally, Bernie is hot on spending, too.[DOUBLEPOST=1463506775,1463506713][/DOUBLEPOST]
Yeah, the private college can't get bailed out and doesn't ruin everybody's lives when it goes under.[DOUBLEPOST=1463506836][/DOUBLEPOST]
I won't say I know one way or the other, but the conventional wisdom scuttlebutt is that Trump only has a chance because his opponent is Hillary, and vice versa.
Tell that to a bunch of my female relatives.
If people keep perpetuating this fallacy then he has a better chance of winning due to being underestimated:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ns-more-demographics-just-poor-uned/?page=all
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/who-are-donald-trumps-supporters-really/471714/
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-...trumps-broad-appeal-1461718565-htmlstory.html
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/5-myths-about-trump-supporters-220158
His message, and its delivery, has changed over time, and the republican establishment are gathering around him. Success begets success and it turns out that as establishment republicans recognize that he's their guy, they're studying what he's saying and many educated people from many demographics are accepting him - some grudgingly, sure, but more and more are actually supporting him.
So don't delude yourself into the idea that he's universally unappealing to intelligent people like yourself.
Also, don't discount the amount of pure reviling hatred people have for the establishment, and by association Hillary.
i. It was a shade of blue.
ii. Her name Saskatchewan Monica.
iii. My keyboard translates "was" to "Saskatchewan" :\
Calling back to the Facebook news thing, the sidebar wanted me to know that Trump won the Kentucky primary.
No shit? He's the only one still running in his party.
No shit? He's the only one still running in his party.
The only one with an active campaign. At least in WV, everyone else was still on the ballot. Even the guys who dropped out before Iowa.
Which is strange since I thought we caucused 2 months ago (Trump won that too)
Yep, but only barely. He got 36%, Cruz 32%, with Rubio and Kasich around 15% each. It was March 5th.
The latest primaries have him doubling his results to 60-80% while Cruz and Kasich (who have only suspended, not cancelled, their campaigns) are getting 10-20%.
GasBandit
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I'd been meaning to bring this up in here all week but I keep forgetting...
Basically, the Obama Administration lied, lied, and then lied some more about the entire narrative leading up to the Iran deal, and then went to the NY Times to laugh and brag about how readily they duped a compliant media into carrying their water.
And now the media is tearing itself to shreds over it.
Basically, the Obama Administration lied, lied, and then lied some more about the entire narrative leading up to the Iran deal, and then went to the NY Times to laugh and brag about how readily they duped a compliant media into carrying their water.
And now the media is tearing itself to shreds over it.
They're mad at the guy who broke the story, not at the administration official who played them like a harp.
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GasBandit
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Well, in the process ofYou want them to be mad at politicians for lying? Would you also be looking for outrage at birds singing, or grass growing.
Should they be mad at the children for laughing?
Fucking things wake me up with their blasted tweets and whistles so I never get to sleep in on Sundays. Not that I could anyway, what with that neverending chore known as mowing. And I finally get the lawn looking okay, and the neighbourhood kids come along and trample all over it. . . But they won't be laughing once I finally pass the wait time for that shotgun.You want them to be mad at politicians for lying? Would you also be looking for outrage at birds singing, or grass growing.
Should they be mad at the children for laughing?
The advent of blogs and Facebook pages as equally valued and often even considered more trustworthy alternatives to classic media - in part by the regular media being so often and so clearly in the pockets of special interest groups - also helps, of course. It's becoming easier and easier to manipulate the news and what people consider (political) reality.
For example, the Washington Times. Is and has always been a Moonie newspaper.
When Iran gets nukes and uses them, I assure you we'll look back at that treaty and say "what a bunch of fucking morons signed that."
That said, even that isn't certain, as NK hasn't used them yet, to my utter amazement.
GasBandit
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Believe it or not, The Washington times was the least acrimonious analysis of the NYT article that I could find. Everybody else was in full Whaargarbl mode, on the left or the right.
Oh come on, don't give me a "but.. but.. but Bush!" Yes, this is more noteworthy for a number of reasons. First of all, a nuclear Iran could kill more people than the Iraq war a hundred times over. Second of all, you have to be a special level of brazen to literally go to the press to tell them how you pulled their strings like a puppet, laugh at them, call them idiots, and say you'll do it again and they'll still fall in line. This isn't just a smoking gun, it's a signed confession on the national news. But the left doesn't care, because it was toward their ends, so the means don't matter.[DOUBLEPOST=1463591964,1463591921][/DOUBLEPOST]
Their rockets keep falling apart during testing, either on the launch pad or over the nearby ocean.
Did you miss the "but... but... but Reagan!"?
I could shout my lies in the middle of 5th Avenue and they'll still fall in line
The media is a political tool? Whodathunkit?
Do I feel like poking a hornets nest this morning? Well, sure! Why not.
That sovereign citizen thing? Freeman on the Land, you call it? How's that working out for ya?
/me waits for GB to read the main article and arrive with a rebuttal.
(nothing personal, but there are a few swipes at libertarianism and it's a slow night here.)
That sovereign citizen thing? Freeman on the Land, you call it? How's that working out for ya?
/me waits for GB to read the main article and arrive with a rebuttal.
(nothing personal, but there are a few swipes at libertarianism and it's a slow night here.)
And it was a pretty interesting read, too!Hey, now. Not only did I own up to the trolling, but gave a reasonable excuse as to why. Once the wedding party drunks all went to bed and the paperwork was done, it was a pretty dull rest of the night.
Doing the Thing isn't necessarily bad (I assume the Thing would agree, too)
Just about any philosophy taken too far results in stupidity like that. Even Libertarians acknowledge the need for government, it's just as little as possible. Where that line is varies.Do I feel like poking a hornets nest this morning? Well, sure! Why not.
That sovereign citizen thing? Freeman on the Land, you call it? How's that working out for ya?
/me waits for GB to read the main article and arrive with a rebuttal.
(nothing personal, but there are a few swipes at libertarianism and it's a slow night here.)
And for the record, the "top" record at time of accessing is a case from William's Lake. I've been through that town/city. That type of attitude is not a surprise. It's "that" kind of place. If you want the definition of "The Bush" in Canada, the area around there is a good definition. LOTS of people who literally are disconnected. Like no power either. Half an hour driving down a "road" to get there from the highway. My Uncle-in-Law used to be one of them. And he fits other stereotypes. So... ya. It's kind of like referring to The Ozarks for you guys. Northern BC or Northern Ontario. Lots of "that kind of thing." William's Lake is just the "actual place to get supplies" near there is why the case is "from" there.
GasBandit
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You won't find me defending "Freemen on the Land" or "Sovereign citizen" silliness. Countries are a thing, and if you're in one, you're subject to its laws. Declaring your own nation inside a nation that already exists is tantamount to a declaration of war, which is a silly thing to do vs the US government to try to get out of a pot conviction.[DOUBLEPOST=1463931170,1463930963][/DOUBLEPOST]My previous commentary on "Sovereign citizen":Do I feel like poking a hornets nest this morning? Well, sure! Why not.
That sovereign citizen thing? Freeman on the Land, you call it? How's that working out for ya?
/me waits for GB to read the main article and arrive with a rebuttal.
(nothing personal, but there are a few swipes at libertarianism and it's a slow night here.)
https://www.halforums.com/threads/g...ampire-likes-bats.17774/page-201#post-1231330
https://www.halforums.com/threads/g...ampire-likes-bats.17774/page-201#post-1231333