it was a backhanded compliment, so i picked something random, not positive, not negative
Gas Bandit's Political Thread V: The Vampire Likes Bats
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Intersectionality doesn't mean the problems are the same. It means that a problem could have multiple root causes. To my best understanding, rape culture is simply the way that rape isn't treated as seriously as it should be in the US. Let's say instead of raping that girl, he murdered her. Or if she was a hedge fund that he scammed. I guarentee you he'd be treated much harsher than he has been with this case.
Please make a cogent argument for having a generally harsher penalty for rape than for murder.
I believe blotsfan's point was that, had he murdered the girl, he would have received an appropriate sentence to go with that crime. Same with theft or (non-sexual) assault. Yet rapists get disproportionately easier sentences, because the prevalence of rape culture leads some to shrug off rape as a serious crime.
That would be a much more charitable interpretation of what he wrote and, if it's what they meant, I withdraw my request.
Unless another 15 forumites also weigh in to express their support for Tress' interpretation, I'm afraid I will have to wait for blotsfan's own words.
Now you're just being ridiculous.
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Now you're just teasing :<
It's been too long since you watched that awesome show. We only had wait until tomorrow to find out how the Bat-plot is resolved.
Or watching a marathon--only had to wait until after the commercial break.[DOUBLEPOST=1465157251,1465157092][/DOUBLEPOST]
I think that's fair of blotsfan to suppose about himself.
(Watch your pronouns, folks, or they'll watch you!)
The felony version of assault with a deadly weapon - which is what would be applied if you actually stabbed someone with a knife - carries a maximum of 2-4 years prison in California. Most states will be substantially similar.
If someone was drunk and stabbed someone else in the passion of their anger, if they were young, and they had no prior offenses, it's possible they might receive a sentence about or even less than this sentence.
Being Mormon I hold the view that sex is sacred, so I do believe that comparing this criminal sticking his fingers in her vagina and humping her is worse than stabbing her.
But that's a religiously informed belief. Why should our secular laws treat rape as worse than stabbing?
Stabbing at least has the possibility of death - it's called assault with a deadly weapon, not assault that might hurt. His assault is very unlikely to result in her death.
So does this mean that we should treat stabbing worse, or that society does accept rape is worse, and if that's the case, why?
If someone was drunk and stabbed someone else in the passion of their anger, if they were young, and they had no prior offenses, it's possible they might receive a sentence about or even less than this sentence.
Being Mormon I hold the view that sex is sacred, so I do believe that comparing this criminal sticking his fingers in her vagina and humping her is worse than stabbing her.
But that's a religiously informed belief. Why should our secular laws treat rape as worse than stabbing?
Stabbing at least has the possibility of death - it's called assault with a deadly weapon, not assault that might hurt. His assault is very unlikely to result in her death.
So does this mean that we should treat stabbing worse, or that society does accept rape is worse, and if that's the case, why?
Dave
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So you think the apple falls that far from the tree? Apparently Mr. Rapist's daddy has chimed in. Turns out his son's conviction has hurt him and made it so that he can't eat.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/06/05/3784913/stanford-sexual-assault-dad-letter/
Read the whole letter from this piece of shit here: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2852614-Letter-from-Brock-Turner-s-Father.html
"He's never been violent to anyone including his actions on the night of Jan 17 2015."
Fuck. You. Not ONCE did the letter say anything about the victim. Not once did he show even a SHRED of empathy for what she was put through at the hands of his happy go lucky kid. The judge is up for reelection next week. I hope they vote that fucker out.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/06/05/3784913/stanford-sexual-assault-dad-letter/
Read the whole letter from this piece of shit here: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2852614-Letter-from-Brock-Turner-s-Father.html
"He's never been violent to anyone including his actions on the night of Jan 17 2015."
Fuck. You. Not ONCE did the letter say anything about the victim. Not once did he show even a SHRED of empathy for what she was put through at the hands of his happy go lucky kid. The judge is up for reelection next week. I hope they vote that fucker out.
Ivy League Schools Are Overrated; Send Your Kids Elsewhere.
Oh, and my favorite line of the article?
Pretty great article on the pointlessness of the Ivy League system, unless you think being a banker or businessmen is the end all/be all of life. This is something I noticed when I was a kid in college prep courses (before I dropped out of high school): the kids of the doctors and such didn't know what to do with themselves if they weren't doing something to get them into the Ivy League and NONE of them knew what they wanted to get out of it aside from "success". There was no plan past Yale, there was only Yale. None of people I've met that went to school later in life have had this problem... they all knew exactly what they wanted and this was just the way to get it.
Oh, and my favorite line of the article?
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You didn't quote the part I found most offensive:
"[His sentence] is a steep price to pay for 20 minutes of action"
Just 20 minutes of action. You know, no biggie. Just a lil' bit of rape never hurt anyone, amirite?
not about rape culture, he must have learned Rape != Violence from a bird in the street and not his father.
also, obliquely replying to steinman - it's kind of weird how our justice system is results-oriented. Like. A person shoots someone in the arm, but it's a flesh wound and they get awa - he gets assault with a deadly weapon, attempted murder, etc. But the same situation, you hit them in the arm, and it's an artery (maybe this works better with the leg and the femoral...), and they bleed out in minutes. Now it's murder, and vastly more serious charges. Like every episode of Law & Order where they tell a suspect "you better hope they come out of the coma/wake up so it's a lesser charge!" Should the sentence really change based on how close the victim was to a trauma surgeon? Or depending how many CM left or right the bullet bounced off a bone? Again this is just musing stuff I don't really know the answer for.
Related reading that I found interesting some time ago: Eggshell Skull on Wikipedia.
It is the mindset of a person who can't conceive what being violated feels like.
Dave
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So they are already calling it for Hillary. Trouble is, without the supers she's not that far ahead. And if Bernie wins California (gee, I wonder why they called it the night before the California primary?) then you'll see supers jumping ship. They are already grumbling.
The MSM has premature celebration syndrome. I hear they can take a pil for that, but unfortunately it's made up of good journalism and anti-cronyism, which they can't stomach.
The MSM has premature celebration syndrome. I hear they can take a pil for that, but unfortunately it's made up of good journalism and anti-cronyism, which they can't stomach.
It also comes off as completely shady. This has not been a good season for my view on the integrity of the democratic system we have in place.
Can you imagine that defense flying in ANY other situation?
"I mean, it only took me less than a second to shoot him! I shouldn't be punished for the rest of my life for that!"
....Back on the 20th of May. His goals and answers to questioning have only been publicized now.
Tch... which part of Ukraine caught him? I wouldn't be surprised by the Russians faking the entire thing.