[Movies] The DC Cinematic Universe - The David Zazlav Dumpster Fire.

Sara_2814

Sara_2814

Frank said:
This bums me out, I don't take glee in them being bad movies. I was really looking forward to Suicide Squad too.



Considering what a God damn psycho he's been working on the film, that he has barely a cameo really goes to show what an insufferable shit Jared Leto is.
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There's lots of people disappointed Joker doesn't have a larger role, but to me that's a positive. I think he's overrused. And I think it's also just too soon to have someone follow Heath Ledger's portrayal.

I'm disappointed that it looks like the movie is a bomb. I was really hopeful of Viola Davis playing Amanda Waller. I love Waller. She's such an awesome pseudo-villain and deserves a good actress to portray her. I also like Deadshot and was also hopeful of Will Smith's portrayal of Floyd as more of a gray villain if they have his daughter in this version.

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Cajungal said:
Well, Jared, perhaps there's more to preparing for a role than mailing used condoms to women with whom you have a professional relationship. Whoda thunk? (Not to mention all the other weird shit he did... I don't feel like Googling it.)
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He creeped out Viola Davis by sending her bullets. She wanted to pepper spray him.
 
SpecialKO

SpecialKO

I haven't met a huge number of actors, but every one I have who was not a method actor hates method acting for exactly that reason.
 
Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Charlie Don't Surf said:
Tracking stuff/buzz is putting Suicide Squad at a $140 million opening, which would break Guardians' August record and also confirm Suicide Squad as a better film
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I'm glad there were at least two other people who could tell he was joking, because it was painfully obvious.

Gryfter said:
Okay so they = the idiots who think they can achieve what a rival studio has without doing any of the legwork. You are crazy if you think the higher ups at WB studios have no effect on the movies the studio makes. They, the studio executives make decisions that trickle down and directly affect the directors and writers of their movies all the time. Who made the decision to go back and focus the re-shoots on lightening the tone of Suicide Squad? Who originally gave Snyder carte blanche to make BvS and are now backpedaling from that decision? I blame Snyder for making a poor Superman movie but I put the blame on the studio heads for where the DC movieverse is right now and I think the quality of the movies shows that.
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Of course they have an effect, but what you're talking about in this post versus earlier are two different things. The big decisions are going to be guided by the studio more often than not, such as what you mention here. But what you mentioned earlier, character capture, is a matter of artistry. It's WB's fault that they picked Snyder, and it's WB's fault Snyder was allowed to do whatever he wanted, but it's Snyder's fault for failing to utilize that opportunity effectively. It's WB's decision to have reshoots done on Suicide Squad, but unless they brought in another director to do those reshoots, Ayer is going to be deciding how to handle that. I doubt WB was breathing down his neck about each bit of dialogue, so long as the end result had the tone they wanted.

So what it sounds like it, "If Zach Snyder and David Goyer couldn't get Batman and Superman right, how could David Ayer capture the nuances of these lesser known characters?" It's a meaningless parallel.

Off-topic, other WB movies where the director had complete control: Batman Returns, Batman and Robin, The Dark Knight, Batman vs Superman. Varying quality there.
 
Gryfter

Gryfter

Zero Esc said:
I'm glad there were at least two other people who could tell he was joking, because it was painfully obvious.



Of course they have an effect, but what you're talking about in this post versus earlier are two different things. The big decisions are going to be guided by the studio more often than not, such as what you mention here. But what you mentioned earlier, character capture, is a matter of artistry. It's WB's fault that they picked Snyder, and it's WB's fault Snyder was allowed to do whatever he wanted, but it's Snyder's fault for failing to utilize that opportunity effectively. It's WB's decision to have reshoots done on Suicide Squad, but unless they brought in another director to do those reshoots, Ayer is going to be deciding how to handle that. I doubt WB was breathing down his neck about each bit of dialogue, so long as the end result had the tone they wanted.

So what it sounds like it, "If Zach Snyder and David Goyer couldn't get Batman and Superman right, how could David Ayer capture the nuances of these lesser known characters?" It's a meaningless parallel.

Off-topic, other WB movies where the director had complete control: Batman Returns, Batman and Robin, The Dark Knight, Batman vs Superman. Varying quality there.
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Shrug.... the movies final results speak for themselves and they have a common denominator which are the studio executives. I could certainly slam the individuals responsible for the separate efforts but the reality is that leadership makes a difference. If the studio leadership doesn't know what to do with these characters other than throw things at a wall and see if they stick, we are going to continue to get the movies we have gotten from them.
 
Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Gryfter said:
Shrug.... the movies final results speak for themselves and they have a common denominator which are the studio executives. I could certainly slam the individuals responsible for the separate efforts but the reality is that leadership makes a difference. If the studio leadership doesn't know what to do with these characters other than throw things at a wall and see if they stick, we are going to continue to get the movies we have gotten from them.
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What's been going on so far is zero leadership. The excessive editing on BvS was Snyder's idea (or at least he took credit for it). WB wants to be known as a place for filmmakers to make movies, so it hadn't occurred to anyone until after BvS that maybe having someone overseeing the whole DCEU project would be a good idea. Suicide Squad's reshoots are the first touch of that, but it won't be until next year's films that we see more result of a guiding hand.
 
evilmike

evilmike

Stuckmann weighs in:


IGN:


Both reviews actually rate Suicide Squad slightly worse than BvS:tDoJ.

Even Grace Randolph (who I don't link to because she has behaved unprofessionally towards other critics) hates the movie, and she compared Zach Snyder to Stanley Kubrick!

I'm pretty shocked. I really thought SS was the first comic book movie from DC/Warner to have a solid set of trailers since the Dark Knight. One of the things that Marvel does well that tends to get overlooked is that their trailer-game is really strong. It isn't just that they have had some great trailers, they don't have any bad ones. They have had trailers that are "just okay" or a "little underwhelming" but they aren't actively bad like the first Green Lantern trailer, or the second BvS:tDoJ trailer. Given that SS had three good to great trailers, and that those were followed by solid trailers for Wonder Woman and Justice League, I really thought DC had turned a corner. Unfortunately, it appears that they only learned to make better trailers.
 
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Sara_2814

Sara_2814

evilmike said:
Stuckmann weighs in:


IGN:


Both reviews actually rate Suicide Squad slightly worse than BvS:tDoJ.

Even Grace Randolph (who I don't link to because she has behaved unprofessionally towards other critics) hates the movie, and she compared Zach Snyder to Stanley Kubrick!

I'm pretty shocked. I really thought SS was the first comic book movie from DC/Warner to have a solid set of trailers since the Dark Knight. One of the things that Marvel does well that tends to get overlooked is that their trailer-game is really strong. It isn't just that they have had some great trailers, they don't have any bad ones. They have had trailers that are "just okay" or a "little underwhelming" but they aren't actively bad like the first Green Lantern trailer, or the second BvS:tDoJ trailer. Given that SS had three good to great trailers, and that those were followed by solid trailers for Wonder Woman and Justice League, I really thought DC had turned a corner. Unfortunately, it appears that they only learned to make better trailers.
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I've been seeing mixed reviews, so I'm holding out a little hope that it's a matter of taste (you already need to be familiar with and like these characters). But not too much hope, I'm expecting DC to crush my heart yet again. And if they don't, it's a win.
 
Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Gryfter said:
http://io9.gizmodo.com/report-warner-bros-turned-suicide-squad-into-a-mess-i-1784760580

See, placing all the blame on Ayer, when the studio decides to get the company that made the trailer to edit the film, isn't being fair to Ayer. Too bad we will never see what his original edit looked like.
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Then I stand corrected for this movie. I'm still holding out hope it's not as bad as is being said ... but this is the kind of stuff that was going on with last year's Fantastic Four. Ayer is at least smarter than Trank to not go on Twitter and publicly blame the studio aka kill his career.
 
Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Wife and I are still going on Saturday to make up our own minds. I'm hoping being more familiar with the characters will make it more enjoyable. Rolling Stones review was exactly the kind of trashheap mouthful I expect from Peter Travers, so at least that was one thing I could count on.[DOUBLEPOST=1470269151,1470269043][/DOUBLEPOST]


 
Celt Z

Celt Z

There was a part of me that wanted to see Suicide Squad do well (or at least okay) because it looked like it was succeeding in one area where Marvel has fallen flat: SS has 4 leading women, and half of those are POC. But from every review I've read watched, particularly this one from the Telegraph, say that Harley and Enchantress get mostly used as T&A, Amanda Waller usually gets a brief mention and everyone seems to forget about Katanna. I don't know if it's worse to be used this way or not be in the movie at all. So, thanks, WB.

Meanwhile, I am glad to hear that Jared Leto's Hot Topic Joker is barely there and otherwise unmemorable. It was unnecessary to throw him in in the first place and DC/WB needs to remember, once again, that not everything needs to be Batman & Joker. I feel bad that the rest of the cast had to put up with his shit. (Although from what I read, Ayer wasn't much better. This sounds like a hell-shoot with little pay off.)
 
Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Celt Z said:
(Although from what I read, Ayer wasn't much better. This sounds like a hell-shoot with little pay off.)
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I haven't read that, but I did kinda assume it between his hyperactive behavior and his worship of Jared Leto.

I'm guessing Jared Leto was in more of the Ayer cut/darker cut of the movie. Though to be honest, I don't think I'd have wanted to watch that anyway.
 
Charlie Don't Surf

Charlie Don't Surf

my favorite part of suicide squad is all the stories about how everyone hated jared leto and did everything possible to avoid him. even will smith, one of the 'nicest people in hollywood', went out of his way to never be in the same room as jared leto. I wish viola davis would have actually punched him unconscious a few times
 
Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

BananaHands said:
I feel bad for Wonder Woman. That movie is going to be the next to be meddled with until it's just the same crap.
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My concern for Wonder Woman has been serious movie director versus crappy script writer. I've been hoping I'm wrong.

What I see going on is, WB took a hands-off approach with Snyder's movies because that worked out well for them with Nolan's movies. Then BvS happened, and apparently WB got cold feet and decided to put their hands on too late with Suicide Squad.

So up until now, Wonder Woman has probably received the hands-off approach. So they're going to be fidgety and nervous until after this weekend, and then they'll decide whether to step in or not. I know I accused WB of being over-reactionary earlier in the thread (because they typically are), but this makes sense in a damage control kind of way. The problem is, I'm not sure they know how to accomplish that. Justice League clearly isn't getting the hands-off approach--Affleck was made executive producer just before filming started, and they've got someone who's now the head of DCEU to oversee all of those movies to ensure a direction for the franchise. That means they can go ahead with what's wanted from the started, instead of having to fiddle with it later.

At least for Suicide Squad, Ayer went along with the changes, so there wasn't a replacement director situation a la Fantastic Four. I don't think WB wants to be Fox, particularly Rothman-era Fox. They keep saying they want to be a filmmaker's place, which probably also influenced the hands-off approach.
 
filmfanatic

filmfanatic

I saw Suicide Squad. Honestly, I thought it was okay. Nothing great, but certainly not as bad as Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice. It does suffer from some serious tonal whiplash, though, and you could easily cut out the Joker sideplot and not lose anything.
 
MindDetective

MindDetective

filmfanatic said:
I saw Suicide Squad. Honestly, I thought it was okay. Nothing great, but certainly not as bad as Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice. It does suffer from some serious tonal whiplash, though, and you could easily cut out the Joker sideplot and not lose anything.
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Joker sideplot was meh, but the movie wasn't as bad as I feared it would be. It was mostly coherent with some editing problems that paced the plot jaggedly and leaned too heavily on popular music for its score.
 
ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

All this talk about the popular music in the soundtrack just makes me think how much more it was trying to be GOTG, but not with the heart that came with the story behind the tape player.
 
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