So I guess we're Reddit now.
a Trump vs Clinton United States Presidential Election in 2016
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GasBandit
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I have similar discussions on Imgur (well, insomuch as you can have a discussion limited to 140 characters per post) every time the topic of pedophilia/ephebophilia is broached. The fact of the matter is that it's cultural programming and not anything instinctual. Stands to reason incest is similar. In fact, that was the entire premise of Blue Lagoon - they were cousins, but bereft of cultural programming they could have just as well have been brother and sister for all the difference it made to the progression of the story.
It's the parable of the monkeys and the hoses. There's a reason behind it (genetic problems with the offspring), but that reason has long since been discarded for the culturally instilled programming that it's "just icky."
It's the parable of the monkeys and the hoses. There's a reason behind it (genetic problems with the offspring), but that reason has long since been discarded for the culturally instilled programming that it's "just icky."
I got to the end of that story thinking "huh, that wasn't disturbing" and still wondering where the horse was.
GasBandit
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I got to the end of that story thinking "huh, that wasn't disturbing" and still wondering where the horse was.
Aye. I misread the title of the parable and thought you were posting some weird monkey/horse slashfic. Edit - I really did think that. I mean, hey maybe some hot monkey on horse sex story could be analogous to Trump on Trump. I don't know. And Gas is the one with that thread of reprehensble filth.
and yet thinking that, I still clicked the link
Remember in a previous post when you asked if your posts are interesting?Aye. I misread the title of the parable and thought you were posting some weird monkey/horse slashfic. Edit - I really did think that. I mean, hey maybe some hot monkey on horse sex story could be analogous to Trump on Trump. I don't know. And Gas is the one with that thread of reprehensble filth.
and yet thinking that, I still clicked the link
Yes. Yes they are.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...er-sexting-scandal-hit-the-hillary-clinton-c/
Here's the new bit of info about why these emails may or may not be important:
The article also gives insight into the relationship between the Clinton's and Weiner.
Here's the new bit of info about why these emails may or may not be important:
So it may be that it isn't so much about the content of the email, but the fact that they exist and weren't handed over during the original investigation. Or it may be nothing.
The article also gives insight into the relationship between the Clinton's and Weiner.
GasBandit
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Whaaat? You mean her virtual document-shredding party of dozens of thousands of e-mails might NOT have just been about yoga and weddings? Color me scandalized! I mean, if you can't trust a politician to decide which of her e-mails criminal investigators should be allowed to see and which they shouldn't, who CAN you?
I know I'm starting to sound like a broken record, but Nixon's career ended over way less.[DOUBLEPOST=1478030772,1478030738][/DOUBLEPOST]
I know I'm starting to sound like a broken record, but Nixon's career ended over way less.[DOUBLEPOST=1478030772,1478030738][/DOUBLEPOST]
Let's put em both in jail and have a do-over.
I don't see how an e-mail between the husband of an aide, and someone unrelated, is in any way related to mrs. Clinton herself. Mr Weiner can use a private mail server, a gmail account, heck an AOL account for all I care. Mr Weiner (as husband to an aide, not as former congress) wasn't privy - or shouldn't have been, anyway, and otherwise the problem isn't the e-mails - to any confidential information. I just don't see how his e-mail are in any way supposed to reflect badly on HRC.
GasBandit
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Frankly, the idea that, once subpoenaed, she was allowed to decide which e-mails investigators got to see and which they didn't (on the grounds that "some of it is personal" was preposterous, to me, from the very beginning, and that it was even suggested was tantamount to probable cause for a full blown raid to seize everything in her home and office and go over it with a fine toothed comb.
Apparently, Huma Abedin's laptop basically had an undeleted archive of 650,000 someodd HRC emails, some of which were not given to the FBI as required, despite them being official and not "personal."
That I absolutely agree with. I don't understand why they didn't just seize the server in the first place.
GasBandit
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Because she's Hillary Fucking Rodham Clinton, son, and you don't get to ask her questions.
Because one does not simply walk into Mordor and seize Sauron's personal server.
Because there were no punishments laid out for violations before the server went up.
The Nixon argument it complete and utter BS. Ordering a Burglary, and a cover up is much worse than using the wrong server.
those situations are ludicrously different on many, many different levels. that is one of the stupidest analogies you've ever made and you've made a lot of very stupid analogies. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.
GasBandit
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FTFY.[DOUBLEPOST=1478033234,1478033221][/DOUBLEPOST]
You're [redacted].
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Now hate-fuck.
...Whitewater.
There's so much that isn't really icky but is icky just because enough people decided that it is icky. Heck, there are people who think that long hair (on a woman, no less) is as repulsive as a vomit-covered public transit seat. But this has nothing to do with politics...right?
--Patrick
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You didn't expect a topic with Trump in the name to eventually defend misogyny, incest, and pedophelia?
You know, we could just read the FBI's actual report on the investigation.
https://vault.fbi.gov/hillary-r.-clinton
https://vault.fbi.gov/hillary-r.-clinton
GasBandit
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I didn't see anybody defending it. I didn't know talking about it, its causes, its history and the cultural roots of it was "defending" it.[DOUBLEPOST=1478034833,1478034790][/DOUBLEPOST]
"You know, we could just read the court transcript of the OJ trial."
DENTATAAAAAAAA
GasBandit
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I don't remember the gnashing of teeth over Nixon's e-mails either, but that could be because it's just as ridiculously irrelevant as what you posted.
Narrowing the problem of something to "icky" trivializes it, as if it's only as harmful as when someone sees a spider.
This really isn't the place I thought I'd see these subjects designated as SJW bullshit; hence the Reddit comparison.
No, just a criminal waste of taxpayer money from decades of investigations and hearings and coming up with Jack Shit...
You guys are conflating two different instances. Clinton withheld personal emails from a State department request to provide government emails related to the nth investigation of Benghazi in 2014. House Select Committees are legislative bodies, not judicial nor executive ones. Without a separately issued warrant of some kind by a judicial authority, they have no power to forcibly compel testimony or seize private property. They can hold someone who refuses to testify in contempt, which can have legal drawbacks if the matter goes further, but they have no remit for any non-legislative purpose, and that includes search-and-seizure.
(We should be really happy about that, by the way. Letting members of Congress do end-runs around the 4th amendment is a terrible idea)
When the IC Inspector General made a security referral to the FBI to investigate her server, the FBI demanded that she turn her entire server over, and she did.
GasBandit
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Fine, I retract "icky" and substitute "abhorrent in and of itself without other reason needed," which more exactly (but more verbosely) illustrates the point I was trying to make. It's abhorrent because it's abhorrent, because that's what culture ingrains in us from day one - not because of the original reasons it was deemed abhorrent.
Because it sets precedent in FBI investigations that 2 MILLION emails were deleted.
Not really. The Bush White House used a private server, GWB43 dot com, and they deleted 22,000,000 emails while under investigation for outing CIA agent Valerie Plume and for firing 8 US Attorneys for political reasons. The press gave it like 1/10th the amount of attention that the Hillary Clinton emails has garnered. Also, deleting the emails is in violation of the Presidential Records Act.
But who gives a shit, right?
GasBandit
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Last I heard, someone got convicted and sentenced for the Valerie Plame affair - Scooter Libby. Maybe not who you hoped it would be, but hey, so long as the standard of innocence is what you guys are saying it is, that should settle the matter, right?
Also, US Attorneys serve at the pleasure of the president and can be (and often are) dismissed and replaced for any or no reason at all.
FTFY again.
/age_of_empires It is good to be the King!
And had we known that he would act that way, perhaps we shouldn't have elected him.
Now we have a candidate we know will act that way who isn't yet president, but is trying to be.
Hmmm.