If we use the current distribution of EV votes by state, that should work. We would just apportion them according to the individual state's popular vote instead of winner-take-all. In theory, it should add some amount voting power back to red voters in deep blue states and blue voters in deep red states.[DOUBLEPOST=1479315566,1479315433][/DOUBLEPOST]Admittedly, in the long-term, we would probably need to adjust EV distributions, which is a whole other kettle of fish, but it's not like we shouldn't already be doing that.
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This was the intentional outcome from the start. Even Alexander Hamilton agreed this was intentional and beneficial (And he hated James Madison), as it allowed electors to act outside the will of the people if the people were selecting people who simply weren't suited for the job. It's a control against unchecked populism.
Via The Federalist Papers #68: The Mode of Electing the President
Oh, I get what you are saying now. That probably still sucks a bit of power from the smaller states, lessening their relevance, but not as much as a straight popular vote would.
GasBandit
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And a blind clock finds the correct time every once in a while?
I've always felt that more states should be following Maine and Nebraska's example, and break up the EC votes by district.
http://archive.fairvote.org/e_college/me_ne.htm[DOUBLEPOST=1479319155][/DOUBLEPOST]
Perhaps there's a compromise and solution that can be reached regarding illegal immigrants. Instead of deportation, have the INS drop them off in Chicago.
GasBandit
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Hah! In all seriousness though, I hope the issue comes to a head before the supreme court so we can finally settle whether the 10th amendment has any meaning at all, other than when statists want it to because it's politically expedient at the time.
Does federal law trump state/local or vice versa? FIND OUT THIS SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY
The eternal question. I hate to say it, but I don't believe there will ever be a firm answer to that. Even with a Supreme Court ruling.
That's better than the current system, but it runs smack into the gerrymandering problem. That you have congressional districts in the country that are literally double the size of others in population makes this a poor fit. The EV distribution nominally already adjusts for population centers, breaking it down by congressional district nationwide might actually make the issue worse.
You could assign different districts different EV contribution totals by population to fix this, but at that point you should be doing it by state popular vote anyway because you would get a similar result with a much simpler process.
Clearly you haven't met the female queer GasBandit...
Hamilton also believed that voters (which, let's not forget, were limited to white property owners at the time) would have a direct say in the election of those electors. While we might technically do that on paper, we definitely don't in practice, which upends the entire notion.
GasBandit
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... Would she really be functionally different from me, as far as posts around here go, though?
Actually Pence is currently in Indiana, fighting in court to have his emails sealed.
Trump's current prospect to head the VA is Jeff Miller, who has never served (and would be the first Secretary of Veterans Affairs to not be a veteran).
Kansas' Kris Kobach is being considered for Attorney General and claims to be working on a for a Muslim registry for the Trump administration. He has drafted numerous anti-immigrant laws in various states that have been struck down by the courts.
Also the Electoral College was drafted to benefit slave states. Since their populations of potential voters were much smaller, the EC was instituted to help represent them without requiring them to have citizens. This is where the 3/5th Compromise was born - a slave state counting five slaves as 3 citizens for purposes of electoral votes, without having to allow them to vote. So a slave state would gain an extra 60% of its electorate without having voters.
GasBandit
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A female tourist from the UK on vacation in Dubai was gang raped (by men also from the UK), she reported it to the local police and they arrested her for extramarital sex. She posted bail, but the authorities confiscated her passport, so she's trapped. The alleged attackers have already returned to the UK.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ra-marital-sex-hotel-uae-police-a7420616.html
Me, in the comment thread on imgur:
"Why any woman from a western country would consider vacationing in the middle east I cannot possibly fathom."
The reply:
"Because its Dubai, a very famous tourist destination"
Me: "In an area notoriously beyond-sucky to be female."
They: "Its still a popilar (sic) tourist location"
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ra-marital-sex-hotel-uae-police-a7420616.html
Me, in the comment thread on imgur:
"Why any woman from a western country would consider vacationing in the middle east I cannot possibly fathom."
The reply:
"Because its Dubai, a very famous tourist destination"
Me: "In an area notoriously beyond-sucky to be female."
They: "Its still a popilar (sic) tourist location"
GasBandit
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Hooooh, that's a dangerous joke, buddy. Heh heh heh.
Gotta keep those male lovers a secret, I guess.
A female tourist from the UK on vacation in Dubai was gang raped (by men also from the UK), she reported it to the local police and they arrested her for extramarital sex. She posted bail, but the authorities confiscated her passport, so she's trapped. The alleged attackers have already returned to the UK.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ra-marital-sex-hotel-uae-police-a7420616.html
Me, in the comment thread on imgur:
"Why any woman from a western country would consider vacationing in the middle east I cannot possibly fathom."
The reply:
"Because its Dubai, a very famous tourist destination"
Me: "In an area notoriously beyond-sucky to be female."
They: "Its still a popilar (sic) tourist location"
Women should under no circumstance go to all of the Middle East, Central Asia, Central Africa, Northern Africa, or, well, all of Africa, or South America? Great thinking there.
The fact that you're using Kobe adds another level.
No less true.
A genderbent Halforums opens itself to all kinds of possibility.
--Patrick
We basically already have this during semesters at Halforums Academy, at least to an extent.
GasBandit
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Africa and South America don't have near the reputation of being hostile to women that the Middle East does. Last I heard Brazil was not putting women in jail for driving or being raped.
South America has a reasonably bad reputation though it's more the smaller countries. A Western woman alone in Colombia can face problems.
Africa, though, really? Not a bad reputation wrt rape and women's rights? The only continent in the world where female genital circumcision is still not just a thing, but a big thing? The continent where even arguably the most "Western" country - South Africa - has a rape rate where police and the UN only differ over how many seconds go by in between rapes? Depending what figures you choose, the USA has a (female) rape rate of about 1 in 7 or 1 in 6. South Africa has a rape rate of, again depending on source, 2 in 5 to over 1 in 2. In Congo, to take another big country, on average a woman will get raped more than once in their life, and in some areas, women can expect to be raped at least 3 times (well, ok, that counts war rape. You might assume people won't go holidaying in East Congo and Ruanda without protection. Still.)
GasBandit
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The places you are describing are not "popular tourist destinations," though.
Also, you're describing crimes, whereas the in the middle east I'm describing institutionalized policy.
I get your point, @GasBandit. I agree with it, too, but in that conflicted way that says "It shouldn't be that way, it's still certainly not her fault . . . and yet it's still a bad idea . . . but goddamn it it's not her fault . . . but it's still such a risk . . ."
Anyway, the UK needs to arrest those assholes, and get her back home.
Anyway, the UK needs to arrest those assholes, and get her back home.
GasBandit
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Look, OF COURSE it's still a crime and wrong if I get robbed at 2 am in the bad part of town, BUT MAYBE... I'm also smart enough not to go out to the bad part of town at 2 am.
Yes. Yet one the really shitty things is that rape isn't truly seen as "OF COURSE it's still a crime and wrong" by too many people.
Hmmm . . . I wonder where the SJW's hang out.
