Gas Bandit's Political Thread V: The Vampire Likes Bats
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Ok Julian. Considering one was determining the leader of the free world and the other was a referendum the government was never going to adhere to, I don't think well beyond is the right way to put it.
Also, what the Spanish government is doing is ghastly.
Also, how the fuck is blocking the internet worse then beating them up?
Don't think he's saying it is, he's drawing parallels to another political event on the same arena. It's not getting much attention compared to the physical repression, and people more concerned with emerging technologies are naturally going to concentrate on new forms of state action, as opposed to the usual ones.
Don't know if I reposting something, but here it goes- IRS has apparently hired Equifax to keep our tax information safe. I shit you not.
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Google "Top Stories" for some reason included a 4chan thread that loudly and vehemently mis-identified the Las Vegas shooter
https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/3/...-vegas-shooting-top-stories-algorithm-mistake
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https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/3/...-vegas-shooting-top-stories-algorithm-mistake
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Marco Rubio says he'd be president now if he'd watched Game of Thrones 2 years ago.
http://www.newsweek.com/marco-rubio-game-thrones-676951
http://www.newsweek.com/marco-rubio-game-thrones-676951
Ehh, I don't think Youtube making it too easy to report hate speech is a good idea. If it was a single "This is hate speech" button you just know that shit would get abused, conservatives reporting videos critical of Trump, liberals reporting videos defending Trump, fundies on any videos that mention religions other than theirs, Playstation fans on Xbox videos, Xbox fans on Playstation videos, me on any console peasantry vidoes, people cooking steak the wrong way...
Interesting considerations on who could be sued and how such cases might proceed in the las vegas mass murder:
https://law.stackexchange.com/quest...-civil-actions-the-las-vegas-shooting-victims
https://law.stackexchange.com/quest...-civil-actions-the-las-vegas-shooting-victims
Well garsh, this sure is shocking to me. Who could've seen this coming?
https://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbern...-nationalism?utm_term=.vgQbqY0yXr#.udmVe8zAq6
Please @Eriol continue to tell me why I should be worried about muslims.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbern...-nationalism?utm_term=.vgQbqY0yXr#.udmVe8zAq6
Please @Eriol continue to tell me why I should be worried about muslims.
The problem is this leads to "not having a discussion with them because it's not worth it", and, in the end, to "killing them all because they deserve it".
A shooter who goes into a KKK rally and kills 10 of them is just as much an evil asshole as one who goes into a gay bar and shoots ten people.
Saying "all nazis" in this sort of context feels great, but as, oh God what a crappy example, Schindler's List or American History X have shown - there were and/or can be decent nazis, too. Not to mention people indoctrinated to a belief.
Crappy example, indeed. Except this time it's yours, I believe. Maybe in the 30s and 40s your average party member could have claimed ignorance of what was really going on. But today's nazi goes in fully aware of the horrors that were committed and bought in anyway.
Why should any discussion with people like Spencer or Milo (what kind of asshole has passwords like "kristallnacht" or "longknives"?) be anything more that a punch in the mouth? When the other guy literally wants you and your kind dead, a fist in the face is downright generous.
American History X is a piece of fiction. Please find an example of someone you'd consider a good Nazi (post WW2) who did not leave the group either publicly or privately.
And from a legal perspective there isn't a difference between killing 10 KKK members or 10 random gay people, but from a moral perspective there 100% is. Someone who did the former would and should be sent to jail, but they would be a hero.
If you guys seriously think not a single person who has ever identified as a nazi post-WWII has a shred of good in them, congratulations, the dehumanization of your enemies is complete, and you can now remorse-free go around killing, insulting or hurting them.
Yeah, I don't agree with national-socialism at all. Nor do I approve of most of the things done in the name of that political philosophy. And I know, most if not all people who call themselves nazis won't be doing that because they think there's something to be said about nationalizing means of production for the good of the state and its citizens.
I can name 10 people who consider themselves extreme right, or fascist, or nazi, and who I consider decent people despite their political views. Good father, nice drinking buddy, team player at work, whatever. They're certainly prone to casual and not-so-casual racism, and they're definitely not the most politically interesting people to talk to - much like your average racist family member or friend isn't. Doesn't mean you should go around killing them for fun.
Lastly, your statement that someone who shot 10 KKK members would be a "hero", is really problematic. They'd be considered a hero by many, sure - but if you think the Florida shooter isn't considered a hero by a lot of people, you're living in a bubble (and eww, get out of me). Killing is hardly ever acceptable and definitely not heroic.
Yeah, I don't agree with national-socialism at all. Nor do I approve of most of the things done in the name of that political philosophy. And I know, most if not all people who call themselves nazis won't be doing that because they think there's something to be said about nationalizing means of production for the good of the state and its citizens.
I can name 10 people who consider themselves extreme right, or fascist, or nazi, and who I consider decent people despite their political views. Good father, nice drinking buddy, team player at work, whatever. They're certainly prone to casual and not-so-casual racism, and they're definitely not the most politically interesting people to talk to - much like your average racist family member or friend isn't. Doesn't mean you should go around killing them for fun.
Lastly, your statement that someone who shot 10 KKK members would be a "hero", is really problematic. They'd be considered a hero by many, sure - but if you think the Florida shooter isn't considered a hero by a lot of people, you're living in a bubble (and eww, get out of me). Killing is hardly ever acceptable and definitely not heroic.
You basically just did the "Hitler loved his dog" thing. I don't give a shit what good you have inside you. If you support the removal of "undesirables" so you can build a nation of white people only, you're a bad person and a net negative on society.
And yes, the Florida shooter is considered a hero by people that believe gay people should be killed. Those people are also bad. You're right that killing is hardly ever acceptable and heroic. Nazis are a rare exception.
And yes, the Florida shooter is considered a hero by people that believe gay people should be killed. Those people are also bad. You're right that killing is hardly ever acceptable and heroic. Nazis are a rare exception.
Does that mean that Israel is free to kill any and all Hamas members/supporters, and thus most/all of Gaza? Their constitution states that all Jews between the Jordan and the Mediterranean (ie: all Israel) should be driven into the sea, aka: dead.
Not going there. Not going there one bit.
I think this is the better solution. I don't think it's ever justifiable to harm another person. "They started it" isn't enough. The first person to lift a hand is in the wrong.
I don't understand the mindset that one's ethnicity/religion/nation, etc. automatically makes you "superior" to others, and I can't fathom people who are ok with Nazi association. It disgusts me that we can dehumanize* our fellow humans. But I can't celebrate anyone who anoints themselves judge, jury, and executioner. (A big part of why I advocate stricter gun control in the other thread.) There has got to be a better way to deal with hate.
(*Word of the Day! AAAAAAAHHH!)
So just let them keep growing in power until it's too late.*
*Im just kidding it already is.
No, I said there had to be a better solution than shooting and punching. I didn't say "do nothing" or "ignore it until it goes away". I've made calls to my local congress critters in the past year (first time in my life). I show up and vote. I march. It's not perfect, but it has to start somewhere. And for someone who believes so strongly fighting police over-reach, I would think you would agree with the stance that NO ONE should ever be judge, jury, and executioner rolled into one.
