Democratic Primary: Crisis of infinite candidates

blotsfan

blotsfan

Should I be more careful about the permanence of what I post for future visibility?

No, it's the people who read my stuff too late who are wrong.
 
Frank

Frank

After being called out for being groomed to be a third party spoiler candidate, Tulsi Gabbard threw a whiny shit fit all over the place, then met with big Wallstreet donors to prepare for her third party candidate campaign.
 
phil

phil

I'm glad he called it. Hopefully a few more will follow and realize that their runs are over.

Beto's run seemed a bit too...ill advised? Like right after his Senate run people were still so high on the idea of a popular Texas Dem that they wanted him to run for prez. But he announced kind of late in the game after a lot of the other big names had already announced. He might have faired better with an earlier start but ultimately it's all probably for the best. He isn't really what we need in a president.
 
GasBandit

GasBandit

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blotsfan said:
One year from today...
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I'm afraid there's still a very real possibility of a Trump second term. 40-45% of the country's top (if not only) priority is still "make life hell for liberals and beltway elites." That takes precedence over literally anything else Trump does. They don't care about immigrant families. They don't care about (or have antipathy for) the LBGTQ community. They don't care about his tweets because badly crafted tweets make him seem less like a politician and more like a regular guy. They hear a new "scandal" every day being trumpeted as "THIS IS THE ONE, THE ONE WE GET HIM ON" and it's given everybody listener fatigue, so now they tune all of them out - except for, deep in their brains, they register "democrats and the media screaming and crying, so he must be doing something right."

Just saying. Brace for his re-election.
 
Krisken

Krisken

It's so funny watching the party which purported to love the country and the constitution have no qualms about flipping the finger to both in self interest. It's almost like they never believed it to begin with.
 
Krisken

Krisken

I listen to politics podcasts and each one is hand wringing over whether the Democratic party has gone to far to the left with their candidates, and it is frustrating since you never hear "That conservative candidate is too far to the right" or "They are too extreme". Trump is costing the country billions with these tariffs, asks foreign countries to meddle in our elections and target his political rivals (hell, holds foreign aid to do so), and is routinely caught in lie after lie.

This country gets what it deserves in its leaders.
 
GasBandit

GasBandit

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Krisken said:
I listen to politics podcasts and each one is hand wringing over whether the Democratic party has gone to far to the left with their candidates, and it is frustrating since you never hear "That conservative candidate is too far to the right" or "They are too extreme". Trump is costing the country billions with these tariffs, asks foreign countries to meddle in our elections and target his political rivals (hell, holds foreign aid to do so), and is routinely caught in lie after lie.

This country gets what it deserves in its leaders.
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It's because "the left is TOO left!" is the root of the power that trump and his cronies have. They rode to the top on the swell of a wave of "the liberals have gone too far! It's time to take back our country!" so going farther to the left is seen as the proverbial mask slipping. "See! Now they're showing their true colors, they were commie socialists all along!!"

There are two ways to go here... either appear as the rational moderate alternative to extremism (which may work, but may also be too milquetoast to inspire people to their side) or "drop the pretense" so as to show a genuine alternative ("Yes, we're socialists, and we're proud of it, and you should join us because it's to your advantage and here's why!") which is as much a gamble because it puts people's self-interest in contest with firmly-ingrained beliefs.

The fact of the matter is, it seems to be Trump's election to lose - and even incompetence and blatant perfidy isn't hurting him thus far.
 
Dave

Dave

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That's because the right is either stupid, evil, or just plain gullible.

Or all three combined.
 
Krisken

Krisken

GasBandit said:
It's because "the left is TOO left!" is the root of the power that trump and his cronies have. They rode to the top on the swell of a wave of "the liberals have gone too far! It's time to take back our country!" so going farther to the left is seen as the proverbial mask slipping. "See! Now they're showing their true colors, they were commie socialists all along!!"

There are two ways to go here... either appear as the rational moderate alternative to extremism (which may work, but may also be too milquetoast to inspire people to their side) or "drop the pretense" so as to show a genuine alternative ("Yes, we're socialists, and we're proud of it, and you should join us because it's to your advantage and here's why!") which is as much a gamble because it puts people's self-interest in contest with firmly-ingrained beliefs.

The fact of the matter is, it seems to be Trump's election to lose - and even incompetence and blatant perfidy isn't hurting him thus far.
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But it's not them that frustrates me, it's the media and podcasts parroting it.
 
Tress

Tress

GasBandit said:
The fact of the matter is, it seems to be Trump's election to lose - and even incompetence and blatant perfidy isn't hurting him thus far.
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Trump is competitive in six 2020 swing states despite national weakness, polls say

Basically Trump may be wildly unpopular overall, but he's winning or close to winning against the top 3 Democrats in 6 key swing states (Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Florida, Arizona, and North Carolina). So, as another author recently said, Democrats can run up the score as much as they want in California and New York - it won't amount to much if he wins the Electoral College again. Which he very well could do.
 
Frank

Frank

I mean, the Dems would batshit insane to do the same dumbshit Hillary did. They're going to be in those states literally non-stop the entire election.
 
Dave

Dave

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Frank said:
I mean, the Dems would batshit insane to do the same dumbshit Hillary did. They're going to be in those states literally non-stop the entire election.
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It's cute that you think the dems are going to campaign intelligently. So far all they've done is push Biden. 2020's Hillary.
 
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