It seems like everyone with a major part in TROS has something against Disney over the movie except Daisy Ridley, so I wonder if she has something else coming up.
Rise of Skywalker with Spoilers
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Just saw it. It's definitely not the best SW movie, and there's lots of things to critique, but all in all, I enjoyed it and thought most storylines were closed with some semblance of coherence.
I'd definitely rank it above 1, 2 and probably 8. Some bits were obviously rewritten around Fisher's death, and some of the fan service was unnecessary and some characters...ugh. but overall, not the train wreck I was expecting given some of the comments and reviews I'd seen.
I'd definitely rank it above 1, 2 and probably 8. Some bits were obviously rewritten around Fisher's death, and some of the fan service was unnecessary and some characters...ugh. but overall, not the train wreck I was expecting given some of the comments and reviews I'd seen.
https://news.avclub.com/turns-out-colin-trevorrows-version-of-star-wars-episod-1841002112
Treverrow's story treatment leaked and while it probably would've still been kinda shitty, it sounds, I dunno, dozens of times better than RotS was.
It was titled Duel of the Fates, didn't have Palpatine alive in it, didn't have a sudden Kylo face turn for no reason, had Rose as a character that did things, etc.
It also had a 7000 year old dark side Lovecraftian monstrosity be Palpatine's teacher.
Treverrow's story treatment leaked and while it probably would've still been kinda shitty, it sounds, I dunno, dozens of times better than RotS was.
It was titled Duel of the Fates, didn't have Palpatine alive in it, didn't have a sudden Kylo face turn for no reason, had Rose as a character that did things, etc.
It also had a 7000 year old dark side Lovecraftian monstrosity be Palpatine's teacher.
Is it though?
Well, that's just being more interesting then that, but on his own he was just being annoyingly emo.
It's more interesting for the antagonist to be someone the protagonists have interacted with on multiple occasions and have shared relationships toward than Ominous Space Evil, whether that be Palpatine or Sith Cthulhu. This is basic storytelling.
More complex and character-driven though;
Having a haunted outburst-prone antagonist try to command a military/government which is completely out of his character's grasp is more interesting than Perfect Evil Guy antagonist.
More complex and character-driven though;
Having a haunted outburst-prone antagonist try to command a military/government which is completely out of his character's grasp is more interesting than Perfect Evil Guy antagonist.
Watch one of the films you do enjoy. It's like the James Bond series. You can still enjoy the ones you like even though The World is Not Enough exists.
The difference is that most Bond movies are not directly related via an interconnected story, so they can be enjoyed separately. That Star Wars ended so poorly sours the previous movies as well. For other examples, see Game of Thrones, Lost, The Matrix, etc.
I can readily ignore a worse spinoff movie - if Solo was a complete train wreck, it doesn't really impact much (I'm not a huge Solo fan, though I don't consider it a train wreck, just an example).
The Main Nine were supposed to tell one great big overarching heroic saga. The Lord of the Rings style.
If Return of the King had been a quick cash grab that violated half the lore of the first two books, the whole trilogy wouldn't be well known. A deconstruction like TLJ can most certainly work - but it had no business being the follow up to TFA. A "boring" retread of the originals like TFA could have been a good stepping stone - Rey and Luke were similar, in similar situation, but with some elements changed around - it could've lead somewhere interesting. Instead, because of TLJ, it's a useless repetition that doesn't help anyone. TROS could have worked mostly as-is, if TLJ had been a completely different film. Palpatine returns could have worked if it had been telegraphed. Instead it's an asspull. Etc etc.
The Main Nine were supposed to tell one great big overarching heroic saga. The Lord of the Rings style.
If Return of the King had been a quick cash grab that violated half the lore of the first two books, the whole trilogy wouldn't be well known. A deconstruction like TLJ can most certainly work - but it had no business being the follow up to TFA. A "boring" retread of the originals like TFA could have been a good stepping stone - Rey and Luke were similar, in similar situation, but with some elements changed around - it could've lead somewhere interesting. Instead, because of TLJ, it's a useless repetition that doesn't help anyone. TROS could have worked mostly as-is, if TLJ had been a completely different film. Palpatine returns could have worked if it had been telegraphed. Instead it's an asspull. Etc etc.
I'm less mad after this season of the mandolorian. Star Wars isn't any stranger to ignoring bad movies.
It's harder to ignore TROS than to ignore the Christmas Special
Since SW is on the brain I just wanted to say I watched this great break down on Droids recently, and honestly, I can never look at it all the same way again.
A great watch. And as mentioned droids are absolutely used by the narrative to be whatever the narrative requires them to be. This is not unlike how we want to feel bad for a human character in a story if he/she dies, but make that character a Nazi and suddenly it's absolutely fine. I think that artificial intelligence is a fascinating idea that fuels many in-depth discussions regarding the moral implications of servitude. Personally if something in reality could show the equivalent of full on human-worth intelligence I too would be on the side of giving them a place in society as equals.
But Star Wars isn't reality. It's just a story. And I think, like Nazis in our other favorite films, they are disposable until they have proven their worth as good guys.
I could offer a very long comprehensive on why characters in the SW universe treat droids as just a work-force, but I think it's best not to put too much thought into it either way. It's just made up fiction that's supposed to be silly and fun. Most people are smart enough to know the difference between fiction and reality. This just puts this topic straight into the same ring as discussions about if its okay to glamorize violence in films.
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Director: "Ok, kid, just make the Wampa roar or something."
Kid: "WAMPAAA!!"
Director: "No, a roar like a lion or a tiger."
Kid: "WAMPAAA!!"
Director: "Ok, fine, whatever."
Kid: "WAMPAAA!!"
Kid: "WAMPAAA!!"
Director: "No, a roar like a lion or a tiger."
Kid: "WAMPAAA!!"
Director: "Ok, fine, whatever."
Kid: "WAMPAAA!!"
Last week when it snowed, I went out to play with Li'l Z and at some point, he suggested pretending we were on Hoth. Thanks to the appearance on the baby Wampa in Lego Star Wars All Stars, he starts chasing me across the yard, shouting, "Rrrraaarrr! Wampaaaaa!".
Pokemon Wampa Battle Cry is apparently a natural default.
Pokemon Wampa Battle Cry is apparently a natural default.