[News] US Capitol Siege 6 January 2021
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Aww, now they know what it feels like to be the school children of the past 20 years. Boo-fucking-hoo.
The more stuff comes out, the scarier it gets. More and more information about rioters having intel they shouldn't have ever been close to.
"1/6 was an inside job" may be reasonably close to the truth.
And the notion that marchers "did nothing wrong" if they didn't make it to the Capitol grounds? Fuck that noise. Fuck that noise HARD. The intent was always violence. It was an open secret that violence was the plan all along. It'll be up to (uncompromised) prosecutors what happens to them from here, but whatever consequences, personal, professional, legal, befall them, they deserve every last bit of it and then some. Fuck every last one of 'em.
(There's too much time and not enough anime to fill the rest of the night. Need to keep off twitter to get me back to sanity.)
"1/6 was an inside job" may be reasonably close to the truth.
And the notion that marchers "did nothing wrong" if they didn't make it to the Capitol grounds? Fuck that noise. Fuck that noise HARD. The intent was always violence. It was an open secret that violence was the plan all along. It'll be up to (uncompromised) prosecutors what happens to them from here, but whatever consequences, personal, professional, legal, befall them, they deserve every last bit of it and then some. Fuck every last one of 'em.
(There's too much time and not enough anime to fill the rest of the night. Need to keep off twitter to get me back to sanity.)
Everyone has a right to protest. Even if its about something that seems incredibly wrong to the most moral-conscious of us, they still have a right to peaceful protest. Whether they knew that the violence was a possibility or not they had the right to be there so long as they remained peaceful. When you watch these videos you see hundreds storming the Capitol, but then you see hundreds remaining behind and avoiding confrontation completely. We can't judge them on what they expected to happen, only what they did during it all. As said I will never agree with the Trump supporter mentality that the election was stolen, but I am grateful that many of them kept their heads and stayed back. In footage of a CNN crew being attacked one of the Trump supporters got between the attacker and the crew and said "This is not who we are! If you want to get to them you have to go through me!". Knowing that the actions of a few should not represent the whole is the same philosophy I try to explain to those who dismiss BLM protests whenever a business is burned down or someone is hurt.
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There's a big difference between a "stop killing us!" protest and a "rules and laws don't apply to us! Put our guy back in power!" white power tantrum. That's not even a protest. That's a mob collected by a wannabe dictator.
There was never anything peaceful about what happened Wednesday. The chatter on Parler, the *chans, etc. put the lie to "peaceful protest" months ago. Everything that happened was meant to circumvent the Constitution and every notion of the Rule of Law.
I don't care if they are protesting that they aren't getting enough marshmallows in their hot cocoa, they have to right to do so peacefully. Yes there are clearly protests that have more moral weight to them but we have no right to tell someone they can't protest for something we deem immoral or miniscule. You say that their protest is wrong because it challenges laws that we have in place, yet the most powerful protests in our country's history did exactly that: Women's rights. Black rights. Again, I'm not saying that I agree with Trump supporters (I absolutely do not), but they have a right to say they feel cheated.
There are two groups of people who should be arrested and charged accordingly. Those who committed any act of violence, trespassing, making threats, theft, and/or destruction of property. And those who incited others to do it for/with them. Trump needs to go down hard. I have no doubt that none of this would have happened to this extent if Trump had conceded the election peacefully and didn't continue to rile up his supporters to get them to do his dirty work for him.
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To mention civil rights marches in the same breath as that riot is downright sickening.
I'll stop here because the red mist is getting stronger. I need to walk away. I need tumblr and Slime S2 to calm me down for a bit.
Anyone can protest anything at any time. It's a right. The right to peaceably assemble. First Amendment right, as a matter of fact--the right to assemble and petition the government for redress.
I have to agree with Shawn here: I don't care if I think every Trump supporter is a chuckle-headed bumble fuck (and I generally do)--they have a right to assemble and protest.
Those that passed barriers and stormed the Capitol took it beyond their protected rights and into the realm of illegality. The line between the right to assemble, and insurrection is not even a particularly thin one. Some people chose to assemble and speak. Some people chose to cross that line.
I have to agree with Shawn here: I don't care if I think every Trump supporter is a chuckle-headed bumble fuck (and I generally do)--they have a right to assemble and protest.
Those that passed barriers and stormed the Capitol took it beyond their protected rights and into the realm of illegality. The line between the right to assemble, and insurrection is not even a particularly thin one. Some people chose to assemble and speak. Some people chose to cross that line.
figmentPez
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It wasn't just Trump calling for violence, though. There were a lot of other people with megaphones calling for violence, a lot of people chanting "hang Pence". It's not just the ones who entered the Capitol that are guilty.
I agree all those who incited violence should also be arrested and charged accordingly. They don't get a pass either.
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Agreed.
Sooooo, yeah, about that idea that this was all pre-planned...
The hits just keep on coming.
They should have let him pull himself up by this own bootstraps. That's what any "True 'Murican" would do.
Dave
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figmentPez
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It's really telling that one of the arguments, being made seriously, against investigating and prosecuting the violence in our nation's capital is "Punishing the violence may incite more violence."
Terrorism. That's why it needs to be called terrorism. The point of the violence is to control people through fear.
Terrorism. That's why it needs to be called terrorism. The point of the violence is to control people through fear.
Look, if you go and complain to the police, all it'll do is make me angry and hit you more. Just cover up the bruises, and stay quiet next time I'm talking,okay? This is a loving relationship, it has to go two ways.
...Biggs. Of COURSE it was motherfucking BIGGS.
Joan Greene needs to demand a recount of this district NOW.
figmentPez
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The guy wearing the "Camp Auschwitz" shirt has been arrested:
Maybe reserving the worse charges like terrorism and sedition for when cheeto is out of office and can't pardon them anymore?
figmentPez
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Pre-emptive pardons exist. Trump doesn't have to wait for them to be charged to pardon them.
figmentPez
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figmentPez
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Trump warned about potential civil liability
"In the wake of Wednesday's assault on the nation's Capitol, President Donald Trump has been advised he potentially could face civil liability connected to his role in encouraging supporters who went on to storm Congress, sources familiar with the conversations told ABC News."
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"The sources say if the president were to self-pardon, it would only strengthen the motivation to bring civil cases against the 45th president."
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"After these conversations, sources say the president grew angrier, and the entire pardon process has been described as 'on hold' -- meaning others who have been lobbying the president for pardons, including his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani, may not receive one. "
"In the wake of Wednesday's assault on the nation's Capitol, President Donald Trump has been advised he potentially could face civil liability connected to his role in encouraging supporters who went on to storm Congress, sources familiar with the conversations told ABC News."
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"The sources say if the president were to self-pardon, it would only strengthen the motivation to bring civil cases against the 45th president."
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"After these conversations, sources say the president grew angrier, and the entire pardon process has been described as 'on hold' -- meaning others who have been lobbying the president for pardons, including his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani, may not receive one. "
I hope this is just some dark satirical joke
Santa, no!