WandaVision Spoiler Thread
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Pause as soon as wanda logo pops up try fast forward 10 or just hold ff down a little bit that got me past the bottleneck
of course then my headphones unplugged so i paused as it wss working fine and i guess i lost my spot in line
And this is why people hoist the jolly roger for weekly shows that people with more money than god didn't have back up servers ready for something like this
Well... it ended. It was quite a finale and the budget was clearly spent mostly on that episode.
I have one realistic complaint. And that's that Wanda walked away from this with no repercussions. Sadly that makes her pretty awful of a person.
My only other complaint isn't really that realistic.
As a piece of the MCU I was certainly hoping for more surprises. But I can't blame the series for my unreasonable expectations, especially since the series never promised any of that.
Overall it was a good series. Wanda is officially the Scarlet Witch. White Vision has his memories (though I don't understand why he's not trying to track down Wanda to be with her now). Monica gets to go meet with Nick Fury on whatever space station they were working on. The Darkhold is officially a thing in the MCU now? Or is Agents of Shield and Runaways considered MCU and therefore this was a copy?
Also, are Agents of Shield and Runaways connected with the MCU officially or not since they both deal with the Darkhold? Or is this a different Darkhold? I think the cover looks different between this and the other two series.
I have one realistic complaint. And that's that Wanda walked away from this with no repercussions. Sadly that makes her pretty awful of a person.
My only other complaint isn't really that realistic.
As a piece of the MCU I was certainly hoping for more surprises. But I can't blame the series for my unreasonable expectations, especially since the series never promised any of that.
Overall it was a good series. Wanda is officially the Scarlet Witch. White Vision has his memories (though I don't understand why he's not trying to track down Wanda to be with her now). Monica gets to go meet with Nick Fury on whatever space station they were working on. The Darkhold is officially a thing in the MCU now? Or is Agents of Shield and Runaways considered MCU and therefore this was a copy?
Also, are Agents of Shield and Runaways connected with the MCU officially or not since they both deal with the Darkhold? Or is this a different Darkhold? I think the cover looks different between this and the other two series.
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Finally got thru the first bottleneck again. No more touching the firestick!!!
I downloaded it to my phone and cast it to the TV because of the issues you were reporting.
I liked the ending. They made it clear that Wanda didn't know what she did or even how she did it. She also had no way to make amends, I think. Perhaps most importantly, nobody had the power to stop her from leaving and so we are left having to trust that she is moving on from her grief and striving to do better. That's a message they could have spelled out more clearly, maybe, but it is one we should hear more often too.
Yeah. I was really bothered by that line. Maybe Wanda didn't know exactly how she did it, but she knew she WAS doing it. "Best of intentions" does not clear someone of the stuff she did. Honestly I not only feel frustrated with Wanda but also with Monica for not even TRYING to ask her to do the right thing and give herself up.
And that Darkhold scene at the end credits just kinda supports my point.
What I like about the finale is that so many people were wrong with their theories. After weeks of speculation, analyzing every Easter egg, and predicting each reveal, Disney/Marvel chose a different direction. No famous TV cameo. No Reed Richards. No big bad guy secretly pulling the strings. Seriously, I like that it really WAS Agatha All Along. The MCU has a serious shortage of women villains. If anything, I was sad Monica didn't get to do more, but this isn't her time. Yet.
And although this isn't an important point, can I just say how thrilled I was for whomever costumed/designed Wanda's epic battle? I want to find that person and give them the biggest hug of my life. After an entire lifetime of women is comics/movies/tv/video games having to battle in the most male-gaze-y, contrived, impractical, complete bullshit outfits, the possibly most powerful being in the MCU got to fight in sweats, sneakers, and her hair tied out of her goddammed face! HALLE-FUCKING-LUJAH! I also like her costume redesign. The old coat and pants were cool, but I felt so bad everytime she went into battle in that corset. It looked like it was tied so tight she could rest her chin on her breasts, and that can't have been easy for poor Elizabeth to breathe in.
And although this isn't an important point, can I just say how thrilled I was for whomever costumed/designed Wanda's epic battle? I want to find that person and give them the biggest hug of my life. After an entire lifetime of women is comics/movies/tv/video games having to battle in the most male-gaze-y, contrived, impractical, complete bullshit outfits, the possibly most powerful being in the MCU got to fight in sweats, sneakers, and her hair tied out of her goddammed face! HALLE-FUCKING-LUJAH! I also like her costume redesign. The old coat and pants were cool, but I felt so bad everytime she went into battle in that corset. It looked like it was tied so tight she could rest her chin on her breasts, and that can't have been easy for poor Elizabeth to breathe in.
Agents of Shield is weird because it was handled by Marvel itself under their TV division, while the movies were done by Marvel Studios, which is actually a separate division of Disney. This split happened years ago because Kevin Feige (the head of Marvel Studios) hated Ike Perlmutter (the head of Marvel), thus to keep him around Bob Iger broke the original chain of command and made Marvel Studios its own division.
This lead to a one way street where Marvel, wanting to capitalize on the success of the movies, desired to make TV shows that were based in the universe (Thus AoS, Peggy Carter, etc). However, Kevin didn't want Marvel to have any say in the MCU storylines, and thus while the TV shows kept referencing the movies, the movies went out of their way to not reference the shows. Chloe Bennet even referenced her frustration with this in a press interview leading into one of the later seasons. Marvel finally gave up sometime during Infinity War, and took AoS into its own continuity, even going so far as to ignore "the snap" event entirely in the last two seasons.
The Darkhold appearing in WandaVision is just another break in this relationship.
I really liked the episode, honestly any issue I have with it is nitpicking, but I will say a few things.
Darcy felt like she needed a little more? I mean, she pretty much crashed into Hayward, said one line, and poof, vanished. I know she is just a background character, but I liked the dynamic the three had together. Felt that could have had more of an ending, even if only during the mid-credits scene. Instead we only got Jimmy and Monica.
Speaking of Hayward, his end felt a little sloppy. We all knew he was a villain since like half way through the season, but I expected a little more then a quick plan monologue to Jimmy, rolling into the Hex, gets out of a car to silently unload a clip into two kids (really?!"), then quickly tries to drive off and escape, all without a single word of dialogue. It felt like they didn't know what to really do with him once they got Agatha revealed.
Darcy felt like she needed a little more? I mean, she pretty much crashed into Hayward, said one line, and poof, vanished. I know she is just a background character, but I liked the dynamic the three had together. Felt that could have had more of an ending, even if only during the mid-credits scene. Instead we only got Jimmy and Monica.
Speaking of Hayward, his end felt a little sloppy. We all knew he was a villain since like half way through the season, but I expected a little more then a quick plan monologue to Jimmy, rolling into the Hex, gets out of a car to silently unload a clip into two kids (really?!"), then quickly tries to drive off and escape, all without a single word of dialogue. It felt like they didn't know what to really do with him once they got Agatha revealed.
I feel like Hayward, as well as the townspeople at the end, and really there to play up the fact that there are a lot of people who are not thrilled with these powered beings even existing, particularly when their existence directly affects them. He doesn't need to be a big bad - he's just a guy with some power who doesn't like that there are others who will always have more.
Also, whoever wrote Vision's dialog deserved all the awards.
Vision stole the show any time he was on frame, honestly. His lines were some of the best.
Also, now any time someone confuses me I am going to say "I request elaboration." in the most robotic voice I can.
Also I just wanted to say that Wanda sure picked up astral projection pretty quick since reading the Darkhold. She can even do it while walking around doing other things with her regular body.
figmentPez
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I loved this series as a whole, but I kinda feel like the ending was rushed. Like maybe the writers got cut from 10 to 13 episodes down to 9, and this was the version of the ending with a lot cut out.
You actually reminded me, but what is with episode length these days?
Maybe I am just an old fart, but I grew up with television shows having set length. Movies often varied, but due to time slots every episode of a tv show was usually 30 minutes. The bigger shows were usually an hour. Yes, I know a lot of that time was eaten by commercials, but those commercials also had set time intervals, so all the shows had to fit the slots between all that and so usually each episode was the same length from the first episode to the last one.
Lots of the Disney+ shows, including Mandalorian and WandaVision, are just all over the place with episode length. The first episode of WandaVision was only a half hour (including credits! So it was even shorter then a half hour!) then went to 37 minutes, then 33 minutes, then at some point 42 minutes, and ended with 50 minutes.
I mean, I guess when you want to treat the show less like classic television and more like episodic movies, I can get the desire to not be held to a specific episode length, but it really gets on my nerves when one day I make a slot for a possible hour long show only to find its 30 minutes, then the next week when I slot 30 minutes and the next episode is nearly an hour.
Maybe I am just an old fart, but I grew up with television shows having set length. Movies often varied, but due to time slots every episode of a tv show was usually 30 minutes. The bigger shows were usually an hour. Yes, I know a lot of that time was eaten by commercials, but those commercials also had set time intervals, so all the shows had to fit the slots between all that and so usually each episode was the same length from the first episode to the last one.
Lots of the Disney+ shows, including Mandalorian and WandaVision, are just all over the place with episode length. The first episode of WandaVision was only a half hour (including credits! So it was even shorter then a half hour!) then went to 37 minutes, then 33 minutes, then at some point 42 minutes, and ended with 50 minutes.
I mean, I guess when you want to treat the show less like classic television and more like episodic movies, I can get the desire to not be held to a specific episode length, but it really gets on my nerves when one day I make a slot for a possible hour long show only to find its 30 minutes, then the next week when I slot 30 minutes and the next episode is nearly an hour.
Man does anyone else feel like they were trolled when it comes to Quicksilver?
The character was both the fuel and the destruction of some of the shows biggest theories.
It's Quicksilver from another universe! Nope it's Ralph Bohner.
The Ralph that Agatha always talked about is Mephisto! Nope, it was Ralph Bohner.
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Ralph Bohner was also the witness that Jimmy was checking up on. It was BOHNER ALL ALONG.
The character was both the fuel and the destruction of some of the shows biggest theories.
It's Quicksilver from another universe! Nope it's Ralph Bohner.
The Ralph that Agatha always talked about is Mephisto! Nope, it was Ralph Bohner.
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Ralph Bohner was also the witness that Jimmy was checking up on. It was BOHNER ALL ALONG.
It was still accidental. It wasn't even negligence!
Roughly the same number of days people were held captive? They can form life long traumas in those days but Wanda doesn't get to form any life long anything in the same matter if time? Obviously everyone was the victim here. Because it was all accidental.
Dave
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Nope! It's Chuck Testa!
That's how I'm feeling too. She never meant to hurt them, and still at the end didn't realize she was hurting them. Once she did, she was horrified.
Ultimately, it perfectly shows what it's like to be someone grieving and to be around someone who is grieving. Everyone feels helpless to make it better, and the only thing which will help is time.
Now that Westview is back to normal, did we ever find out who @Celt Z and @Yoshimickster really are?
Nope. The only thing the Hex actually maintained on its own was Hex Vision and the kids. The rest of the time it just acted as an amplifier for magic she always had, like mental manipulation and reality bending powers.
Remember when Monica escaped the Hex but her 70s disco outfit warped from her old kevlar vest remained? Wanda was not needed to maintain that and neither was the Hex, it was permanent unless Wanda changed it back.
Agatha was specifically cursed by Wanda and transmuted into Agnes, just like Agatha turned the chicada into a bird, and she will stay that way until Wanda turns her back.
I dunno, when she was walking by them she just looked ashamed. It had the vibe of "I want to apologize but I know what I did was so shitty, that it wouldn't be right to do so" which is super relatable, at least to me. Monica saying "I would've probably done the same if I could've" was more "I don't think I could've resisted the temptation to do it" not "you did the right thing by doing what you did." She knows there wasn't any malice and Wanda is surrounded by people who completely hate her. It was a gesture of kindness more than a belief that she was right.
Accidental torture is still torture. Especially when you have enough evidence and information available to you to make the realization that what you are doing is torture. Wanda was told several times by individuals that what she was doing was wrong. She made active choices to keep the kids inside, asleep and apart from their families. She forced people to act out HER fantasies. How on earth could anyone realistically think to themselves "This is okay."? Grief is not in anyway an excuse for someone's actions. You can't be let off the hook for something so terrible because "you were sad".
You know what kind of people in movies think that putting people on invisible strings and mind controlling them is what's best for them? Super Villains.
You know what kind of people in movies think that putting people on invisible strings and mind controlling them is what's best for them? Super Villains.
You know what people who are grieving sometimes don't notice? How other people are feeling. And in no way does the show or the main character excuse what she did. That was seriously the point at the end of the episode when Wanda speaks to Monica. Wanda literally says they wouldn't understand, and she is right. No one is letting her off the hook for it, except maybe Monica.
Sure. But I still don't see how this is an excuse for mind control.
It's not. Like, seriously not. It's degrees of terrible. She feels terrible, then starts to realize what she is doing and excuses it because she thinks she is making things better for them (notice at the beginning of episode 8 how miserable everyone looked?), then episode 9 she is TOLD they are feeling her nightmares and she realizes what a truly awful thing she is doing. Only after she is able to see that the pain she is feeling is being projected onto everyone else is she able to come back and break from her grief.