[Movies] MCU: Phase 5 - To Kang or Not to Kang

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Mathias said:
**mild** innuendo" and "verbal references to sexual content
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Huh, maybe it's because I am a dirty degenerate, but the words porn and orgy ARE mild verbal references. It's not like they are talking about double penetration or ass to mouth or bukkake.
In my opinion, doesn't mean outright references to orgies and porn. Verbal references to sexual content for most PG13 movies means two characters got in on off screen and it's mildly suggested or shown. For example, Indiana Jones moves on Willy in Temple of Doom (where the PG-13 designation was first introduced). I'm aware what PG13 should be and should not be, thanks. It's not cool to bring up porn and orgies in a superhero movie that's primarily aimed at kids even if they are 13-17. My 15 year old doesn't need to hear about orgies in at Thor movie either.
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While I get what you are trying to say man, attempting to shelter those types of discussions with your close to teenage kids because you don't think it's appropriate just means he is going to hear those things from his 11-17 year old friends, and you will have no way to actually give a nuanced, decent take on the whole thing.

While I can only go into my anecdotal take growing up, my parents refused to talk about sex with me and so I didn't even know what sex was until I walked in on my mom and her boyfriend at 9 years old, I had no idea about anything until I made some rather perverted friends at 12 while in middle school, who liked to have sleepovers and watch skinnimax with big naked breasts. After that, I got interested in the idea (or more specifically, the aesthetic) of sex, and my parents never realized how interested I was till years later when they first caught me watching porn. All they did was scold me about it and still refused to tell me anything because it made them uncomfortable, which only made me get more and more interested in it. Now I make porn for a living. Would I have been that way had they tried to explain what any of it was rather then forcing me into grasping to understand it all on my own through teenage friends and media? Who knows. It probably wouldn't hurt though.

You have every right to raise your kids how you feel best, but getting upset that they mention some mild sexual phrases in a movie that, I am sorry, is aimed at teens and adults who would already have passing knowledge of these phrases from youtube alone, is just being overbearing and pushing away from doing any research on your own. Considering the entire MCU is absolutely filled with swearing (the only general swear they half censor is a full on f-bomb, "What the fu....", Samual L fading way with "Motherfu") it's really not ever supposed to be for younger kids, unless you want your 7 year old copying his favorite super hero Tony Stark by calling his teacher a "Son of a bitch".

This is why I personally follow the ratings as the first line, and then watch the movies myself before I consider taking my kids, just to be certain I am comfortable with it for their ages. That is just what I do though.
 
ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

It's interesting that trying to give a personal take on something and even saying someone has the right to raise their kids however they feel is best, somehow becomes "telling other people how to raise them."

It's okay to share advice through experiences, in the end we all have to make our own choices though.
 
GasBandit

GasBandit

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PG is not G. PG means "parental guidance suggested." It directly implies "hey, there's some stuff in here you may or may not want your kids to see."

Airplane! was PG. "I remember when I used to sit on your face and wiggle." Goonies was PG. They glued a penis back onto a statue upside down. On camera. Sixteen Candles was PG, and had a completely unobstructed view of a teenaged character (played by an adult) naked in the shower and even zoomed in on the breasts. "Earth Girls are Easy." Easy to WHAT, PG rated movie? "Splash." SO much naked Darryl Hannah, and a little male nudity thrown in to boot.

I realize these are mostly pre-PG-13 rating movies (which came about in 1984), but you also have to remember that the PG-13 rating was to signify greater intensity. The first PG-13 movie was Red Dawn, and pretty much the only sexual content in it was plot implication that someone had been raped.

I won't tell you what's right for your kids. But I will tell you that PG does not and has never been intended to mean "perfectly safe for kids." That's G.
 
ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

I dunno, guys, I'm kinda on Mathias' side on this. I'm not a father, but I've taken my nieces to many of these. I didn't see Thor 4 with them, but I thought the orgy joke wasn't all that funny, anyway. It reminded me of a similar cheap "edgy" joke said during an MTV movie awards show skit (not a favorable comparison).

But I would hate to be the parent or other adult that had to try explaining that joke when it came up.

Heh, though it reminds me of when I tried explaining why one niece wasn't allowed to read my books. I told her there were quite a few innuendos in it. She asked "like what?" and I blurted out that there's a pearl necklace joke. I refused to explain what that meant.

But then she googled it.

She rushed back to me, slapping my chest, and yelled "Ewww! Why would you write that?!"
 
ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

ThatNickGuy said:
But I would hate to be the parent or other adult that had to try explaining that joke when it came up.
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I can understand the discomfort. I experience it all the time too with my own kids.

But sooner or later you have to answer these questions, they're going to learn what it means either through you, or someone else.

Maybe I am just more comfortable explaining things to my kids in the most diplomatic way I can, but I would rather my son hear it from me then wait till he has an opening to hear what ChadLad69 on YouTube thinks about orgies.
 
Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

ThatNickGuy said:
I dunno, guys, I'm kinda on Mathias' side on this.
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Oh I'm not against Mathias at all, he has every right to feel annoyed that his kid is exposed to things he doesn't want them exposed to. I assume he knows his children and what they can handle and what they can't, so I can't really opine on what is appropriate for them.

I also don't have kids, so I can only give anecdotes from my own childhood. And one I really like and still respect my mom for to this day happened when I was about 5 years old. My aunt was babysitting me, and she let me watch A Nightmare on Elm Street, and I was way, way too young for that and it scared the shit out of me. For a week I didn't want to go to bed because I thought Freddy would get me, until finally my mom had the idea to have me watch a behind the scenes special on the movie, which showed how they did the special effects and putting Robert Englund into the makeup. And at that point I was fine, my five year old brain was able to process that it's all just pretend, and from that point on I was allowed to watch scary movies because they no longer scared me (though, truth be told, it would be a few years still before they really let me watch anything too extreme)
 
ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

This is what I am getting at. In the end your mother helped you understand the differences between real life and movie magic and that opened up your mind to understanding those fears in a healthy and less traumatizing way.

It's very clear in the end that everyone is going to parent differently and understand what works for their kids or not. In the end we have to use that responsibility to guide our kids best we can, even through the awkward times. Being annoyed at a movie putting you in that situation is valid, I just don't agree that a movie developed and rating for teenagers and adults needs to dance around difficult subjects or even things some may considered crass.

My other issue is just this weird idea that the MCU is for "kids" because it really isn't. Yes, most of us still let our kids watch them, much like I am sure some of us watched RoboCop as a kid (and that movie was a hard R), but every movie was designed more for adults that grew up with these heroes and want those nostalgia hits with just a pinch of modern style to hook teenagers, which is why the anthems of each movie seem to be old music from the 80s, with some of them leaning hard into that (GOTG). We decided all the swearing, the rampant murder, the horrible deaths, the sexual inuendo, etc was "safe enough", and I think then getting mad a high schooler says "porn" as the line cross is, personally, a weird take for me, but I can at least respect I look at the world way different then most people.
 
Celt Z

Celt Z

I wanted to point out that in my review I mentioned those smaller things like "orgy" and occasional profanity in an otherwise mild action-comedy, because, at least in my opinion, most of the MCU isn't really meant for kids. Well, kids younger than teens. Certain films, like the Spider-Mans, or most of Love & Thunder, are tamer, as far as graphic violence, adult situations, etc. but a lot of that depends on a parent's discretion. Li'l Z saw most of the MCU films out-of-order because we didn't feel the content was appropriate for his age at the time. In fact, Iron Man was one of the last films he saw because both Mr. Z and I felt it was aimed more towards adults (Tony's bed hopping, the depictions of torture, stuff like that.) And now that we're mentioning it, because of Ragnarok, I had to explain to my son what the word "orgy" meant, although at the time, he was satisfied with the answer, "it's a party for only adults, and it's not a polite word to use, so I don't want to hear you repeating it". I'm guessing it was enough because he didn't ask again when we saw Love & Thunder.

I'd like to add, since we all usually forget because we watch it on TV, there is/was SO MUCH SWEARING in The Goonies. So it was a GREAT film to show my 7 -year-old. I am clearly the parent you want to go to for good parenting advice, guys! :facepalm:
 
MindDetective

MindDetective

Celt Z said:
I wanted to point out that in my review I mentioned those smaller things like "orgy" and occasional profanity in an otherwise mild action-comedy, because, at least in my opinion, most of the MCU isn't really meant for kids. Well, kids younger than teens. Certain films, like the Spider-Mans, or most of Love & Thunder, are tamer, as far as graphic violence, adult situations, etc. but a lot of that depends on a parent's discretion. Li'l Z saw most of the MCU films out-of-order because we didn't feel the content was appropriate for his age at the time. In fact, Iron Man was one of the last films he saw because both Mr. Z and I felt it was aimed more towards adults (Tony's bed hopping, the depictions of torture, stuff like that.) And now that we're mentioning it, because of Ragnarok, I had to explain to my son what the word "orgy" meant, although at the time, he was satisfied with the answer, "it's a party for only adults, and it's not a polite word to use, so I don't want to hear you repeating it". I'm guessing it was enough because he didn't ask again when we saw Love & Thunder.

I'd like to add, since we all usually forget because we watch it on TV, there is/was SO MUCH SWEARING in The Goonies. So it was a GREAT film to show my 7 -year-old. I am clearly the parent you want to go to for good parenting advice, guys! :facepalm:
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evilmike

evilmike

I am Groot


What If?


While they didn’t release the trailer, our correspondent on the ground (Sabina Graves), let us know that the trailer features both Hela (from Thor: Ragnarok) and Shang Chi. The panel also revealed art of Red Guardian, Yelena Belova, Hawkeye (Kate Bishop), Ikaris, and a road-warrior version of Agent Jimmy Woo. The show will feature more Agent Carter, and will have at least one episode inspired by Neil Gaiman’s 1602 comic run.

Additionally, the the studio disclosed that What If...? will get a season 3. (Gizmodo)
 
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ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

So, wait, we're not getting a big team-up Avengers movie at all for Phase 4? I'm...kinda disappointed by that.

I liked how the tent pole Avengers movies were kind of the season finale to each Phase (even if they weren't always the last one in that phase). Not having one at all feels wrong to me.

Also, maybe it's just me but it's all starting to feel a bit much. I realized awhile ago that there's now a constant stream of MCU content with little down time. Before, it was 2-3 movies a year. Now, as soon as a Disney+ show wraps, a new movie comes out (Ms Marvel finished right when Love & Thunder came out, foe example). Or a theatrical release hits Disney+.

Surprisingly, there's almost no overlap, which is some impeccable scheduling so far. But I have to wonder how long they can maintain audience interest. I'm already starting to feel burnt out, like keeping up feels more like an obligation than excitement. Which is partly why I stopped trying to keep up with the comics.
 
ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

evilmike said:
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever
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On the other hand, despite everything I said above, this looks AMAZING.

Hopefully they kill off Shuri so we never have to see the anti-vaxxer ever again.

Sadly, she's probably getting the Black Panther mantle by the end of the movie.
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

ThatNickGuy said:
On the other hand, despite everything I said above, this looks AMAZING.

Hopefully they kill off Shuri so we never have to see the anti-vaxxer ever again.

Sadly, she's probably getting the Black Panther mantle by the end of the movie.
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Well that's the thing... we already know Ironheart's showing up in this movie (there's multiple shots of her hanging with Shuri, as well as her working on her armor). It's entirely possible ether Shuri is just pushed to the back of the story or just straight up dies, since they are clearly bringing up Ironheart to be a replacement for Shuri.
 
ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

AshburnerX said:
Well that's the thing... we already know Ironheart's showing up in this movie (there's multiple shots of her hanging with Shuri, as well as her working on her armor). It's entirely possible ether Shuri is just pushed to the back of the story or just straight up dies, since they are clearly bringing up Ironheart to be a replacement for Shuri.
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Considering the Queen, in the trailer, says her ENTIRE family is GONE, it seems pretty certain to me that Shuri is going to die. That, or the two had one hell of a falling out at some point.
 
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