We just had Trump as a president and may again someday. You really are surprised by any of this?
Full hard brexit. But at least its red white and blue.
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This isn't anything to do with Brexit, but since this thread seems to have morphed into a general British politics thread...
A Tory MP has claimed that young men are turning to a life of crime due to a lack of positive role models because a woman is playing the Doctor now. Hmmm, the most successful media franchise over the past few years (if not ever) is the MCU. How does that work out again? Oh, yeah.
Movies:
Male Led:
Iron Man
Incredible Hulk
Iron Man 2
Thor
Captain America:The First Avenger
Iron Man 3
Thor: The Dark World
Captain America: Winter Soldier
Ant-Man
Captain America: Civil War
Doctor Strange
Spider-Man: Homecoming
Thor: Ragnarok
Black Panther
Spider-Man: Far From Home
Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings
Female Led:
Captain Marvel
Black Widow
Ensemble (mostly male):
Avengers
Guardians of the Galaxy
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2
Avengers: Infinity War
Avengers: Endgame
Ensemble (mostly female):
N/A
Ensemble (equal):
Ant-Man and the Wasp
Eternals
TV:
Male Led:
The Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Loki
Female Led:
WandaVision
Ensemble (mostly male):
What If...?
Ensemble (mostly female):
N/A
Ensemble (equal):
Hawkeye
I think I may have spotted a flaw in his argument.
A Tory MP has claimed that young men are turning to a life of crime due to a lack of positive role models because a woman is playing the Doctor now. Hmmm, the most successful media franchise over the past few years (if not ever) is the MCU. How does that work out again? Oh, yeah.
Movies:
Male Led:
Iron Man
Incredible Hulk
Iron Man 2
Thor
Captain America:The First Avenger
Iron Man 3
Thor: The Dark World
Captain America: Winter Soldier
Ant-Man
Captain America: Civil War
Doctor Strange
Spider-Man: Homecoming
Thor: Ragnarok
Black Panther
Spider-Man: Far From Home
Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings
Female Led:
Captain Marvel
Black Widow
Ensemble (mostly male):
Avengers
Guardians of the Galaxy
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2
Avengers: Infinity War
Avengers: Endgame
Ensemble (mostly female):
N/A
Ensemble (equal):
Ant-Man and the Wasp
Eternals
TV:
Male Led:
The Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Loki
Female Led:
WandaVision
Ensemble (mostly male):
What If...?
Ensemble (mostly female):
N/A
Ensemble (equal):
Hawkeye
I think I may have spotted a flaw in his argument.
Well, the transport secretary did blame the lack of female engineers on Thomas the Tank Engine , sooooo....
...look, how did you guys have an empire again?
GasBandit
Staff member
Rum, sodomy, and the lash!
Sounds like my ideal prom night!
Because we had a flag!
New Scottish independence referendum incoming?
Well, not anytime soon - despite this court challenge pretty much every legal scholar agrees the Scottish Parliament does not have the authority to call a legally binding referendum on independence. And any non-legally binding referendum would be boycotted by the pro union side.
For those of you wondering why there's a push for a new referendum despite the one in 2014 being touted as a "once in a generation" vote, well...Brexit. One of the big arguments made for staying in the UK was that leaving also meant leaving the EU. Pro independence parties will point out that there was a higher percentage of votes cast in Scotland for staying in the EU than the percentage of votes for staying in the UK (62% to 55%). The pro union side argue back that because of the higher turnout in 2014, actually more people voted to stay in the UK than the EU (2,001,926 to 1,661,191).
Well, not anytime soon - despite this court challenge pretty much every legal scholar agrees the Scottish Parliament does not have the authority to call a legally binding referendum on independence. And any non-legally binding referendum would be boycotted by the pro union side.
For those of you wondering why there's a push for a new referendum despite the one in 2014 being touted as a "once in a generation" vote, well...Brexit. One of the big arguments made for staying in the UK was that leaving also meant leaving the EU. Pro independence parties will point out that there was a higher percentage of votes cast in Scotland for staying in the EU than the percentage of votes for staying in the UK (62% to 55%). The pro union side argue back that because of the higher turnout in 2014, actually more people voted to stay in the UK than the EU (2,001,926 to 1,661,191).
There's a pattern to it as well. New scandal about Boris hits, sudden increase in talk on changing the deal.
Literally risking people's lives for short term political gain.
These have now all left:
Cabinet
But Boris seems to truly believe he can still go on and get out on top. I'd be reminded of some other yellow-haired buffoon on a power trip who can't understand the concept of stepping down gracefully, but at least there doesn't seem to be anyone interested in organizing a coup for this one.
Cabinet
- Chancellor Rishi Sunak
- Health Secretary Sajid Javid
- Will Quince, education minister
- Alex Chalk, solicitor general
- Robin Walker, education minister
- John Glen, Treasury minister
- Victoria Atkins, justice minister
- Jo Churchill, environment minister
- Stuart Andrew, housing minister
- Kemi Badenoch, levelling up minister
- Neil O'Brien, levelling up minister
- Alex Burghart, education minister
- Lee Rowley, business minister
- Julia Lopez, culture minister
- Mims Davies, work and pensions minister
- Jonathan Gullis, Northern Ireland Office
- Saqib Bhatti, Department of Health and Social Care
- Nicola Richards, Department of Transport
- Virginia Crosbie, Welsh Office
- Laura Trott, Department of Transport
- Felicity Buchan, Department of Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy
- Selaine Saxby, Treasury
- Claire Coutinho, Treasury
- David Johnston, Department of Education
But Boris seems to truly believe he can still go on and get out on top. I'd be reminded of some other yellow-haired buffoon on a power trip who can't understand the concept of stepping down gracefully, but at least there doesn't seem to be anyone interested in organizing a coup for this one.
Well, honestly, the last scandal seems to be just the straw that broke the camel's back. Last month Johnson - barely - survived a vote of no confidence over the lack of trust people had in him and how Government wasn't trustworthy anymore etc.
Earlier, he appointed Chris Pincher as deputy chief whip. Fair enough. But Pincher had a bunch of scandals swirling around him - several allegations of sexual misconduct and inappropriately touching.
Now, when this surfaced, Johnson claimed - and had others claim in name of the government - that he didn't know anything about them. Then that he know about unsubstantiated rumors but nothing more. Then, that he know about official charges, but that they'd all been dismissed. Then, that he knew about them, and hadn't all been dismissed but that they weren't serious.
He made - yet another - stupid mistake in appointing someone with sexual misconduct charges, simply because he's loyal. Because personal loyalty is such a good basis for government. Now, he's done that kind of thing before and has gotten away with it. But this time around, apparently, he lied directly to his ministers and chancellors etc, so that they'd go on TV and spread his lies. Then, when the truth came out, all of them looked like they'd been lying and protecting the PM. And, again apparently, this sort of thing has also happened before. They're all tired and sick of being dragged down and being either lied to, or asked to lie, because a government that isn't trusted and doesn't have support, simply can't govern.
I'm definitely not saying I like the Tories. Some of them are horrible human beings with revolting political ideas. But, at least when compared to US Republicans, they have some amount of pride and shame left, and actually use it.
Earlier, he appointed Chris Pincher as deputy chief whip. Fair enough. But Pincher had a bunch of scandals swirling around him - several allegations of sexual misconduct and inappropriately touching.
Now, when this surfaced, Johnson claimed - and had others claim in name of the government - that he didn't know anything about them. Then that he know about unsubstantiated rumors but nothing more. Then, that he know about official charges, but that they'd all been dismissed. Then, that he knew about them, and hadn't all been dismissed but that they weren't serious.
He made - yet another - stupid mistake in appointing someone with sexual misconduct charges, simply because he's loyal. Because personal loyalty is such a good basis for government. Now, he's done that kind of thing before and has gotten away with it. But this time around, apparently, he lied directly to his ministers and chancellors etc, so that they'd go on TV and spread his lies. Then, when the truth came out, all of them looked like they'd been lying and protecting the PM. And, again apparently, this sort of thing has also happened before. They're all tired and sick of being dragged down and being either lied to, or asked to lie, because a government that isn't trusted and doesn't have support, simply can't govern.
I'm definitely not saying I like the Tories. Some of them are horrible human beings with revolting political ideas. But, at least when compared to US Republicans, they have some amount of pride and shame left, and actually use it.
Well, yes, but no, but actually sort of.
He's stepping down as party leader effective immediately and as PM in October. Which has literally never happened in the UK (the PM is traditionally also party leader - yeah, it's weird but hey). Also, it would mean "leading a government" for 2-3 months with no power, no backing, no future. It's completely ridiculous. Every gracious form of stepping down or moving aside for the good of the country and/or party and he's throwing them away to stay put as long as possible.
Ehhh, actually both David Cameron & Theresa May stepped down as party leader but not PM. As soon as there's a new leader of the Conservative Party Boris will be replaced as PM. The reason he's staying until October is because that's when the Tories have their big annual conference which is also when they usually officially announce their new leader. Cameron for instance resigned as party leader on 24 June 2016 intending to stay on until October as PM - it's just Theresa May was the only person going for the job so she was installed on 13 July 2016 without a leadership election with Cameron leaving as PM that day. Similarly May herself resigned as party leader on 24 May but was still PM until 24 July 2019 when Boris became the new party leader and PM.
If the Tories choose a quick leadership election Boris goes as soon as the next party leader is chosen.
GasBandit
Staff member
I remember when the whole Brexit movement started via Nigel Farage, and laughing at the irony when it passed and he resigned because he directly knew what a cluster fuck it would cause. That's always been the problem with these populist asshats. They know what they spout in actual policy would ruin everything. They run their mouths trying to score points from racists and bigots on failed referendums so they can then move to sell books and have TV shows.
see also: Trump wanted to lose 2016 because he was just running to get brand recognition.
figmentPez
Staff member
Kent brewery hailed as Brexit ‘export champion’ has one EU customer left
"The brewery now has just one EU customer, a Berlin pub operator who travels to England by van to pick up the beer. The value of the Kent brewery’s annual beer exports have fallen from £600,000 to £2,000."
...
“Some transport companies won’t take alcohol now because of all the transit documents you need."
...
“He was stuck because of the paperwork. He used to come over for just one night, but now it takes four days because of all the problems.”
"The brewery now has just one EU customer, a Berlin pub operator who travels to England by van to pick up the beer. The value of the Kent brewery’s annual beer exports have fallen from £600,000 to £2,000."
...
“Some transport companies won’t take alcohol now because of all the transit documents you need."
...
“He was stuck because of the paperwork. He used to come over for just one night, but now it takes four days because of all the problems.”
I used to regularly buy stuff from the UK, now I always look for an alternative. It's currently cheaper to import from the US than from the UK, simply because of customs and taxes. The trade agreement is an absolute disaster for small businesses and individuals. Maybe there'll be a trade agreement with exemptions for small shipments again, but not right now.
There is seriously no reason to try and import anything from the UK to the EU if there's any way to avoid it, packages of €10 will get easily €25 of imports added to it.
For things like beer and art where things are technically unique, it absolutely sucks...But even if they can organize with other breweries, they'll still face the fact that getting their beer into the EU is FAR more expensive than just buying something similar on the EU market.
There is seriously no reason to try and import anything from the UK to the EU if there's any way to avoid it, packages of €10 will get easily €25 of imports added to it.
For things like beer and art where things are technically unique, it absolutely sucks...But even if they can organize with other breweries, they'll still face the fact that getting their beer into the EU is FAR more expensive than just buying something similar on the EU market.
Liz Truss has officially won.
Well, that's great.
I assume most people here don't know her.
Let's be clear: nobody does, because her "ideals" change wit the weather. She's somehow managed to go from leftist (socialist for the Americans) over LibDems (liberal centrist - legalize cannabis, get rid of the Monarchy, get rid of nuclear weapons - these were her positions at the time, not the party's) to the conservatives; she was against Brexit until she was in favor of it, she wants to protect the working class by lowering taxes on companies, but thinks the UK workers are spoiled and should just work harder; she's convinced people who need assistance should get it, but that success is your own responsibility and if you're poor or sick, it's your own fault,....
She's against solar panels, against France, wants to kill the Brexit deal (well, "revisit the Northern Ireland Protocol" which is the exact same thing), for lowering taxes, lowering regulation, wants to wage a "war on woke", and intends to keep pushing back all immigrants to Rwanda (yes, also non-Rwandans). Oh, she's also in favor of more fracking to make the UK less energy dependent on others.
Even some of her supporters agree - she's incredibly ambitious, but her ambition exceeds her capabilities.
Yup, sounds like the perfect person to try and save the UK from the swamp it's stuck in right now because of Cameron and Johnson.
Well, that's great.
I assume most people here don't know her.
Let's be clear: nobody does, because her "ideals" change wit the weather. She's somehow managed to go from leftist (socialist for the Americans) over LibDems (liberal centrist - legalize cannabis, get rid of the Monarchy, get rid of nuclear weapons - these were her positions at the time, not the party's) to the conservatives; she was against Brexit until she was in favor of it, she wants to protect the working class by lowering taxes on companies, but thinks the UK workers are spoiled and should just work harder; she's convinced people who need assistance should get it, but that success is your own responsibility and if you're poor or sick, it's your own fault,....
She's against solar panels, against France, wants to kill the Brexit deal (well, "revisit the Northern Ireland Protocol" which is the exact same thing), for lowering taxes, lowering regulation, wants to wage a "war on woke", and intends to keep pushing back all immigrants to Rwanda (yes, also non-Rwandans). Oh, she's also in favor of more fracking to make the UK less energy dependent on others.
Even some of her supporters agree - she's incredibly ambitious, but her ambition exceeds her capabilities.
Yup, sounds like the perfect person to try and save the UK from the swamp it's stuck in right now because of Cameron and Johnson.
But… wouldn’t solar panels make the UK more energy independent? If that’s a goal for fracking, shouldn’t it make solar panels good too?
You're looking for logic where there is none.
Her entire policy throughout her career has been "spin to whatever position is most favorable at the moment".
She's been campaigning aiming only at the conservative party members who could vote in this internal election, and...solar panels and wind are Bad and Evil and More Oil is Good.
Go ask any Republican how they feel about "let's put more money into solar panel subsidies and build large solar farms in the desert" vs "let's drill up more oil and start fracking in another nature reserve", and most of them will agree with her on both points, I think.
The "argument" she uses is that because farmers sometimes are paid money to put solar panels in their fields it's a waste of good British farmland. Which it's not - any land that's too arable you're not allowed to put solar panels on anyway! The farmers are taking money to put solar panels in fields that aren't suitable for growing crops!
While everyone's been distracted by the English Museum publicly displaying one of their mummies the last respected British person with power having died a 73-year-old starting a new career, the new PM has struck some laws to make fracking in inhabited areas legal again. Y'know, 'cause the government is for the people, by the people. Three large zones have been targeted, one of them in central Scotland. Which is fun and dandy since there are Scottish laws making it illegal.