[Webcomic] PVP Discussion
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"or"? I've seen inappropriate shit here at least once a year for the past twenty years.
GasBandit
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No judgment from me. I'm glad most of my old web presence is long gone. I'm not huge on excoriating people based on shit they said decade(s) ago. We have no idea how that person has changed. And from everything I've seen Willis is a good dude, was just an internet edgelord way back when (who wasn't?).
I just never really read his comics, it's always neat that someone you remember from 25 years ago is a pretty big deal.
I've always been this awesome!
What happened with Spike?
Zappit
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He told her she wouldn’t make it as a professional because she wasn’t intelligent enough.
Awhile, I was gonna reread it a few months back and found Scott had blocked it all off. I was sad but moved on.
On his Patreon:
If those all are subscribed at the minimum tier ($3.00/month) he's still making $16K/year just off of Patreon (minus fees). Not a ton of money, but that'd cover rent in a cheap apartment every month.
Apparently he is putting out a book
Table Titans Club by Scott Kurtz: 9780823453160 | PenguinRandomHouse.com: Books
Growing pains, adventure, and 20-sided dice abound in this new graphic novel series about a middle school Dungeon & Dragons club from Eisner and Harvey award-winning cartoonist Scott Kurtz. Valeria...
www.penguinrandomhouse.com
I'm not sure if this is what he put pvp on hold for or not.
It's not uncommon for people to save and download a comic if they hear that it will be blocked in the near future. But yeah, that small number is sad especially when I remember how it used to be. Between issues with his Dad and COVID, he just lost motivation.
He's been working on this for a good long while, even before the website relaunch. So yes, very likely.Apparently he is putting out a book
Table Titans Club by Scott Kurtz: 9780823453160 | PenguinRandomHouse.com: Books
Growing pains, adventure, and 20-sided dice abound in this new graphic novel series about a middle school Dungeon & Dragons club from Eisner and Harvey award-winning cartoonist Scott Kurtz. Valeria...
I'm not sure if this is what he put pvp on hold for or not.
Silly this is buried in a 2 year old reddit thread and not an official announcement somewhere unless I missed it but it's "dead".
Really shows how much PvP means for him never to update the comic in 2 years and never post on the site itself about the 2-year absence.
I get the want to pivot to something else, but way to leave anyone still enjoying the comic (all, what? Five of them?) out to dry without any word.
Hell, he could have done something to maybe wrap up the comic. Give it some kind of little ending. A final send-off. Something.
But no, he just quietly abandons it to move on to other stuff. That's okay. I abandoned that comic since he junked the forums.
EDIT: Wow. And I only just learned he put a lot of the comic behind a Patreon-backed paywall. Holy shit, what a dick move.
EDIT 2: Re-skimming the last few pages of this thread, I apparently commented on the Patreon before. I completely forgot. Still a dick move.
I get the want to pivot to something else, but way to leave anyone still enjoying the comic (all, what? Five of them?) out to dry without any word.
Hell, he could have done something to maybe wrap up the comic. Give it some kind of little ending. A final send-off. Something.
But no, he just quietly abandons it to move on to other stuff. That's okay. I abandoned that comic since he junked the forums.
EDIT: Wow. And I only just learned he put a lot of the comic behind a Patreon-backed paywall. Holy shit, what a dick move.
EDIT 2: Re-skimming the last few pages of this thread, I apparently commented on the Patreon before. I completely forgot. Still a dick move.
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It's pretty easy for him to abandon the property when he's burned virtually all the people who helped him make the comic successful.
Burning bridges on every other relationship he has that could have earned him money.
I want to feel more sympathy for him, I really do, because I enjoyed PVP for such a long time, and I do feel sad over the loss of his dad. But that statement does the same thing he always does, and it's driving me crazy: he never takes responsibility for anything. He talks about how impossible it is for him to continue this way, but Bil Holbrook, Pete Abrams, David Willis, Randy Milholland, Jennie Breeden, just to name of few, have had comics as old and older than his, and have found ways to make it work. They have families, kids, crisises, etc., and they have found ways to make it work. Just for once in his life, he needs to admit that
But he never will, and he'll continue to wonder why he fails. Such a shame.
But he never will, and he'll continue to wonder why he fails. Such a shame.
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I think it's interesting how much he feels the need to emphasize that his comic (and other content?) was available FOR FREE like that was a sacrifice of some kind on his part and not the business model he was working under.
I bet he's genuinely convinced himself that his audience would have paid for the privilege of reading his weeks-late, randomly updating and increasingly lazy output the whole way through.
I bet he's genuinely convinced himself that his audience would have paid for the privilege of reading his weeks-late, randomly updating and increasingly lazy output the whole way through.
There are more replies from him in that thread that harp on the FOR FREE thing, as well as going into his version of what happened with AI(with a don't believe what others have said about it, believe my version) and go buy the books on Amazon if you want to read them on and on and on.
He conveniently doesn't acknowledge the two completed kickstarters that never materialized any product for those that backed it as well as the patreon with over 700 members that as far as I can tell hasn't updated since September last year that still collects every month.
He conveniently doesn't acknowledge the two completed kickstarters that never materialized any product for those that backed it as well as the patreon with over 700 members that as far as I can tell hasn't updated since September last year that still collects every month.
That is fucking insane that he put it all behind a patreon. I can’t think of a shittier or lazier way of monetizing it. Like you want to put up a paywall for $10/$20 for lifetime access I think that’s fair enough. But a fucking patreon? Go fuck yourself Kurtz.
Wonder if anybody we know are that cursed 400 suckers.
Wonder if anybody we know are that cursed 400 suckers.
He's not the only one to Pat-wall their entire archive, Brad Guigar does as well and its annoying as shit. I shouldn't have to pay to read a webcomic archive I've all ready read before because Brad is raking money off his superhero porn comics!