Israel Thread

Dave

Dave

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So are people in China. So are people in Zimbabwe. So are people in Ukraine. So are people in at least three other countries with ethnic strife and oppression. There’s literally nothing that I can do about any of it.

And it absolutely IS Israel vs Hamas, even if it’s the Palestinian people who are taking the brunt. Israel has been shit for a long time but it was the absolutely insane terrorist attack AGAINST Israel that kickstarted this recent wave of genocidal acts by the Israeli government.

I’m curious as to why this conflict is so one-sided in your mind, like the Palestinian people haven’t supported Hamas - which right or wrong they absolutely do. And I frankly don’t blame them. Hamas is the only real entity standing up to Israel so of course they’ll be supported as freedom fighters. But their chilling and shortsighted tactics from the attack have cooled any support they would have received or deserved.
 
blotsfan

blotsfan

Israel's goal isn't to stop Hamas. Its to clear gaza of palestinians. Their governement officials openly talk about it when they arent trying to get US tax dollars.
 
Shakey

Shakey

Dave said:
I’m curious as to why this conflict is so one-sided in your mind, like the Palestinian people haven’t supported Hamas - which right or wrong they absolutely do. And I frankly don’t blame them. Hamas is the only real entity standing up to Israel so of course they’ll be supported as freedom fighters. But their chilling and shortsighted tactics from the attack have cooled any support they would have received or deserved.
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The Palestinians in Gaza elected Hamas in the last election 17 years ago. There hasn't been an election since then. That means anyone 35 or younger hasn’t been able to have any say in whether they want them in charge or not. 70% of the population in Gaza is that age or younger.

Saying they absolutely support Hamas when they haven’t been able to voice their support is exactly what Israel wants.

It’s why they allowed for cash to flow directly to Hamas. Having Hamas in charge is what excuses them from killing indiscriminately. They all support Hamas, so it’s their fault.
 
D

Dubyamn

Dave said:
So are people in China. So are people in Zimbabwe. So are people in Ukraine. So are people in at least three other countries with ethnic strife and oppression. There’s literally nothing that I can do about any of it.

And it absolutely IS Israel vs Hamas, even if it’s the Palestinian people who are taking the brunt. Israel has been shit for a long time but it was the absolutely insane terrorist attack AGAINST Israel that kickstarted this recent wave of genocidal acts by the Israeli government.

I’m curious as to why this conflict is so one-sided in your mind, like the Palestinian people haven’t supported Hamas - which right or wrong they absolutely do. And I frankly don’t blame them. Hamas is the only real entity standing up to Israel so of course they’ll be supported as freedom fighters. But their chilling and shortsighted tactics from the attack have cooled any support they would have received or deserved.
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You don’t commit genocide against a government you commit it against a people. If you’re sincere about believing it’s a genocide then you can’t believe it’s a fight between Israel and Hamas.

Hamas is a problem but it’s not the problem we should be concerned with which is the genocide of the Palestinians. It’s also a problem of Israel’s making. Israel supported Hamas in its early years. Israel doing a unilateral pull out lead to Hamas taking control of Gaza and then never giving it up. And it was Israel that allowed millions to flow straight to Hamas from Qatar. And then even after decades of using Hamas as a partner to prevent a real option of a Palestinian state from happening. I think it’s one sided because it is. Israel propped up a terrorist group that hates them for the sole purpose of keeping a Palestinian statehood movement from gaining real ground so Israel could keep on scooping up West Bank land and it blew up in their face as they had IOF troops protecting West Bank settlers building a Sukkah in the middle of a Palestinian town instead of defending Israel against an attack that both Egyptian and US intelligence agencies had warned them about.

And you’re wrong if you think Israel’s actions have cooled or diminished support Hamas has risen in Gaza. Don’t know how reliable polls are in the middle of a genocide but polls show that support for Hamas and Oct 7th attacks have increased. Because of course they fucking would.
 
PatrThom

PatrThom

blotsfan said:
Israel's goal isn't to stop Hamas. Its to clear gaza of palestinians. Their governement officials openly talk about it when they arent trying to get US tax dollars.
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A coworker of mine is Jordanian, and this is his take on it as well--that this conflict is not ideological in nature, it is expansionist.

--Patrick
 
Frank

Frank

These are the things that have happened in the 9 days since the ICJ declared that some genocide might be going on and that Israel had to take steps to prevent it.

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Frank

Frank

Israel's evidence that UNRWA members took part in the Hamas attacks? There wasn't any, but that didn't stop the world from pulling funding.

 
Bubble181

Bubble181

Whoops, Israel just decided to blow up some Hezbollah weapon storages in the middle of living neighborhoods in Lebanon. Guess Rafah wasn't enough so they had some ammo to spare.
 
Bubble181

Bubble181

Look, these four were unarmed right now, but they could have picked up a rock to throw at the drone at any time. This was just protecting our property by preemptively striking potential perpetrators. The US police does this all the time!
 
Bubble181

Bubble181

"whoops, we really didn't intend for those bombs to hit Iran...And those other ones to hit a bunch of international aid workers. Teehee!"

You've got literally the most technologically advanced army in the world (thanks to the USa using your army as a test site). Your bombs don't accidentally hit anything.
 
HCGLNS

HCGLNS

GasBandit said:
"Oops, that was an accident."

"Three times in a row by accident?"



Basically Israel is targeting relief workers because they want to use famine as a weapon.
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You're missing the part where WCK communicated their route ahead of the departure with everyone, including Israel. Times, vehicles and identifications.

It's just murder.
 
Bubble181

Bubble181

"Oh, yeah, the accident was using our own missiles instead of shooting ones that made it look like Hamas, not the targeting itself, of course".
 
Bubble181

Bubble181

Yeah, the Lavender AI program is pretty much a walking talking war crime. It (and its like) should be banned for the same reasons we banned land mines, chlorine gas, etc.
 
Frank

Frank

Boy, it's a lot easier to make America mad at students than it is to cover up atrocities.

Guess that's why that's the news now.

The more things change.....
 
GasBandit

GasBandit

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Senior State Department officials warned that they don’t have “credible or reliable” assurances that Israel is using U.S.-provided weapons in accordance with international law. Under a National Security Memorandum that Biden issued in February, Secretary of State Antony Blinken must determine whether Israel is using U.S. weapons “in a manner consistent with all applicable international and domestic law and policy, including international humanitarian law and international human rights law.” Blinken must tell Congress by May 8 whether he has certified the assurances to be credible and reliable. Four bureaus – Democracy, Human Rights and Labor; Population, Refugees and Migration; Global Criminal Justice; and International Organization Affairs – raised “serious concern over non-compliance” with international humanitarian law during the war. Their assessment cited eight examples of Israeli military actions that raise “serious questions” about potential violations of international humanitarian law, such as repeatedly striking protected sites and civilian infrastructure, “unconscionably high levels of civilian harm to military advantage,” and “killing humanitarian workers and journalists at an unprecedented rate.” The assessment also cited 11 instances of Israeli military actions that “arbitrarily restrict humanitarian aid,” including rejecting aid trucks due to a single “dual-use” item, “artificial” limitations on inspections, and repeated attacks on humanitarian sites that should be protected. Meanwhile, a coalition of lawyers called on Biden to cut off military aid to Israel, arguing that its actions in Gaza violate U.S. law, including the Arms Export Control Act and Leahy Laws, as well as international humanitarian law prohibiting disproportionate attacks on civilian populations. (Reuters / CNN)
 
GasBandit

GasBandit

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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu asked Biden to help stop the International Criminal Court from issuing arrest warrants for senior Israeli officials – including himself. The ICC launched an investigation three years ago into possible war crimes by both Israel and Palestinian militants dating back to the 2014 Israel-Hamas war. Israeli officials reportedly believe that the ICC is preparing to issue warrants for senior government officials, include Netanyahu, Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, and Israel Defense Forces Chief of Staff Herzi Halevi. (Axios / New York Times / NBC News / Bloomberg)

  • U.S. determined that five Israeli security units committed human rights violations before outbreak of Gaza war. The “State Department has determined that five Israeli security units committed gross violations of human rights prior to the outbreak of the war with Hamas in Gaza, but is still deciding whether to restrict military assistance to one of the units under US law.” (CNN / Washington Post)
 
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