Israel tried to arrest some soldiers for gang-raping palestinian prisoners. It turned into a standoff between the soldiers at the base and the epople trying to arrest them that they had to bring in military units that were in Gaza. Many prominent Israeli politicians (though not netanyahu) are calling for the rapists to be freed with all charges dropped.
GasBandit
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Israel's still shooting at clearly identified press
Reminder: The IDF fired two tank rounds at a group of "clearly identifiable journalists" last year, murdering one and injuring 6: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/13/israel-broke-international-law-journalist-killed
The Press Association of the United States would like to thank the United States for buying them all those bullets
Reminder: The IDF fired two tank rounds at a group of "clearly identifiable journalists" last year, murdering one and injuring 6: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/13/israel-broke-international-law-journalist-killed
The Press Association of the United States would like to thank the United States for buying them all those bullets
"a special, limited military organization across the border to ensure our nation's security"
Netanyahu is now literally just copy pasting Putin's logic and we all stand aside and watch it happen.
Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist organizations (or, they have other branches and aspects as well but have a weaponized terror branch which controls most of their actions, at the very least).
I will not shed a tear of both of them cease to exist.
That doesn't give Israel the right to continuously bombard and now put boots on the ground in other countries.
This is a - bad - remix of the Ukraine War with the Afghan War and some seven-days war thrown in for good measure.
We've long passed the 50,000 dead civilians landmark. The Middle East will remain contentious and a bloodbath for another few generations, and we're all guilty of letting it happen under the guise of anti-terrorism and self-défense.
Netanyahu is now literally just copy pasting Putin's logic and we all stand aside and watch it happen.
Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist organizations (or, they have other branches and aspects as well but have a weaponized terror branch which controls most of their actions, at the very least).
I will not shed a tear of both of them cease to exist.
That doesn't give Israel the right to continuously bombard and now put boots on the ground in other countries.
This is a - bad - remix of the Ukraine War with the Afghan War and some seven-days war thrown in for good measure.
We've long passed the 50,000 dead civilians landmark. The Middle East will remain contentious and a bloodbath for another few generations, and we're all guilty of letting it happen under the guise of anti-terrorism and self-défense.
I don’t believe that Israel will be here in a generation. Businesses are shutting down at just a stunning rate due to a lack of workers available and international businesses are moving away from dealing with Israeli businesses. The IOF was already having problems with recruitment back in June so their military has to be flagging. Then they open up a new front in the war? Against an enemy with an actual military that already fought them to a stand still 18 years ago?
I don’t see anyway this turns out well for Israel.
My dude, I remember when we argued about steak and how to hang toilet paper. That feels.so quaint these days.
Don't claim those questions have been settled, you filthy well done abuser of good beef.
My good man, you have misremembered what side of that debate I was on.
GasBandit
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Yeah, I've seen too many videos of IDF soldiers gunning down fleeing children, or using wounded kids as bait.
We're (North Americans specifically) all just sitting around while our governments fund and equip the greatest evil humans can enact on one another. Kamala Harris has promised to keep the death flowing and Canada's likely next Prime Minister has called what Israel's doing divine justice. Flagrantly too. Publicly targeting aid workers and doctors, civilians, CHILDREN. Every crime you can commit in a war (war, lol) they are.
I legit am having a hard time living with myself right now for doing nothing but bitch on a forum.
And it's only one of what? A dozen or so active genocides currently going on.
We're (North Americans specifically) all just sitting around while our governments fund and equip the greatest evil humans can enact on one another. Kamala Harris has promised to keep the death flowing and Canada's likely next Prime Minister has called what Israel's doing divine justice. Flagrantly too. Publicly targeting aid workers and doctors, civilians, CHILDREN. Every crime you can commit in a war (war, lol) they are.
I legit am having a hard time living with myself right now for doing nothing but bitch on a forum.
And it's only one of what? A dozen or so active genocides currently going on.
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lol the genocide will continue until morale improves.
Opinion | 65 Doctors, Nurses and Paramedics: What We Saw in Gaza
“Nearly every day I was there, I saw a new young child who had been shot in the head or the chest, virtually all of whom went on to die.”
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Her position feels so goddamn pro-Israel, it's sickening.
What's sad is it's STILL the better position compared to Trump's full-fledged support that it wouldn't shock me if he wanted to just nuke Gaza or something.
She's still very much the lesser of two evils in this situation, but fucking hell.
Palestinians died or were killed. Israelis were slaughtered and murdered.
There is no lesser of two evils on this position. It's evil and evil. One does it with a smile while pretending to care and the other doesn't.
The issue is, as a politician, she can't jeopardize our position in the region. You pull back from Israel and suddenly the whole country is gone. It sucks ass, the whole situation, but it's a damned if you do and damned if you don't because whoever you side with is going to piss off a large group of voters either way. One of the big problems of a huge tent.
It also ignores that Biden and Harris have been attempting very hard to get a ceasefire going without being seen as pulling support, but Netanyahu keeps turning them down because Trump has been calling him and promising him more support and less roadblocks towards finishing the job once he is elected. The fact no one has been arrested for any of this behind the scenes dealing is pissing me off, but I've come to realize our DOJ it's too damn afraid of looking partisan in an election year to actually do anything about it. We have to vote and then hopefully when the smoke settles and if we still have a country we can put more of a fire under Netanyahu's ass.
It also ignores that Biden and Harris have been attempting very hard to get a ceasefire going without being seen as pulling support, but Netanyahu keeps turning them down because Trump has been calling him and promising him more support and less roadblocks towards finishing the job once he is elected. The fact no one has been arrested for any of this behind the scenes dealing is pissing me off, but I've come to realize our DOJ it's too damn afraid of looking partisan in an election year to actually do anything about it. We have to vote and then hopefully when the smoke settles and if we still have a country we can put more of a fire under Netanyahu's ass.
Attempting very hard to get a ceasefire going.
Fucking. Please.
Biden using Trump language when even confronted with the complete and unconditional support of the genocide by saying as recently as a few months ago that "nobody has done more for Palestinians than me"
If they actually have been trying (they haven't) the most powerful country in the world has failed for a year to force a ceasefire, instead just continuously funding and equipping it to the count of billions of dollars.
Israel is attacking UN positions now flagrantly, demolishing positions held by Peacekeepers.
Fucking. Please.
Biden using Trump language when even confronted with the complete and unconditional support of the genocide by saying as recently as a few months ago that "nobody has done more for Palestinians than me"
If they actually have been trying (they haven't) the most powerful country in the world has failed for a year to force a ceasefire, instead just continuously funding and equipping it to the count of billions of dollars.
Israel is attacking UN positions now flagrantly, demolishing positions held by Peacekeepers.
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I understand your frustration man, but I don't think you feel anything outside of the complete dissolution of Israeli support and a televised press conference condemning Netanyahu is going to be enough. Neither of those things can happen in this political environment unless we want Trump to just help finish the job next year and have Israel annex Gaza entirely.
There have been countless ceasefire resolutions (including Blinken flying out since the Sinwar assassination for another round) and Biden has been caught basically calling Netanyahu a terrible person and a liar, all the while Trump has been undermining ceasefire efforts constantly using his direct line to Netanyahu. I know it feels like a lot of hot air most of the time but it's the shit show we are stuck in.
What else can he do that does not lead to the dissolving of western interests in the region?
There have been countless ceasefire resolutions (including Blinken flying out since the Sinwar assassination for another round) and Biden has been caught basically calling Netanyahu a terrible person and a liar, all the while Trump has been undermining ceasefire efforts constantly using his direct line to Netanyahu. I know it feels like a lot of hot air most of the time but it's the shit show we are stuck in.
What else can he do that does not lead to the dissolving of western interests in the region?
You get no disagreement from me there, if I had superpowers I would be the first one over there doing something, but instead I am stuck in a weird ass situation where I either vote for people who are lukewarm about the whole situation or someone who openly wants to turn the entire region into new beachfront real estate after they bulldoze out all the corpses.
The only pro Palestinian candidate is Jill Stein, and she's only doing it specifically on the behalf of Putin as a spoiler to make sure that Trump wins. We are in a fucked up situation all around.
The only pro Palestinian candidate is Jill Stein, and she's only doing it specifically on the behalf of Putin as a spoiler to make sure that Trump wins. We are in a fucked up situation all around.
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I guess it's gone, it was a video of a child dying in the middle of the street from drone fire. When several people came to help the crying kid, a missile hits them. The aftermath is a black scar on the ground and a pile of body parts and endless screaming from everyone else around.
Just a reminder of what the lesser of two evils has enabled for a year.