Of course you dont care, specially with the terrible Harry Potter example (Harry Potter gets 90% of screentime, Luke barely makes a third in ep V-VI) because its exactly whats wrong with \"Its ALL ABOUT LUKE\", Ep IV was about Luke, with ep V and VI it became about the whole group, with I-II it became about Vader. Again-
Luke is basically a walkthough ste-by-step the of monomyth model for the kids, but ep V and VI pushed forth Leia, Han Solo and Vader, who had rather complex relations and history that ran away from the traditional hero model (smuggler who wants to get money + girl, rincess who doesnt need to be rescued and instead fights, evil lord who betrays his master and redeems himslelf), so its as idiotic to say that the trilogy is all about Luke just because SWIV was about him, just as it is to say that he as better development than Vader, or that screen time decides what makes one a protagonist.
Star Wars isnt a monomyth, but a story in which a monomyth, along with other classic mythology stories patterns, are told. Ep IV, and only ep IV, was all about Luke.
For dummies, one could say ep 4 was like The Hobbit, the whole story follows just Bilbo, with the odd chapter talking about other characters-
But by ep V-VI it turned into this, many main characters, a fleshed out world, and equal screentime for the main characters including Frodo-
But hey, ITS ALL ABOUT FRODO! Because the Hobbit was all about Bilbo.[]
Newsflash. Its 2009. I-III were made, ep V-VI, so the original trilogy just became another movie with many protagonists at V-VI, and just a chapter of the Vader story with I-III.
Luke now is just another Obi-Wan, who carries Vader´s story along.Who Lucas decided to kill and put in a previous movie?
\"For crying out loud\", who will I believe, the creator, who in interviews said over and over he wanted 9 films, but then gave Timothy Zahn the right to do post-film canon stories, who kept \"epIV\" in the first Star Wars, and who for decades prohibited any extented Universe story about Vader´s past as he still wanted to film it, or you?
Cmon, the creator (plus shitloads of interviews, the Extended Universe gidelines created in the late 70´s), or a trol who has now taken to adhominems? I´ll take George Lucas, thank you.
Yep, like I said, there will come the adhominem from the fanboy.
Really L3an, let it go, you pathetic attempt at ad-hominems after trying to tell us that Star Wars is what you want it to be, not what Lucas has said for decades, makes you look like a pathetic anonymous troll in Luke Skywalker Jammies who writes Luke fanfiction. See how nice it is when someone else uses ad hominems and attacks you instead of the arguement?
[/COLOR]Nah, he was burying himself.. I mean-
-Screentime?
-Luke has more development?
-Ep IV was all a monomyth, so that means ep V-VI must only be about Luke?
-That George Lucas, after naming it ep IV, prohibiting writers from touching Vader´s past for 3 decades because he wanted to do it, is wrong and for some reason, because Lian says so, it must be all about Luke, even through epV-VI changed it to about the group, and EpI-III turned the original trilogy into a continuation of Vader´s story?
But now that he´s shown his true colors and taken to ad-hominems, well, I might as well have fun with the troll, who by the might of the Luke Jammies, will reply, as Troll depend on that.
Awaiting life-support post in 3... 2.... 1...
Awww, wasnt that your idiotic arguement? And you are still with Alzheimer´s and cant remember anything of Vader beyond two scenes?
He planned to tell Vader´s story in the early drafts, then officialized it with his 79 rule of "no EU stories on VAder, because he was going to tell it himself.
No book>game canon rule, and pretty much everything´s canocity can be know over at the Star Wars database.
Thats again where you fail, over and over.
Yes, it nice how you're self-reinforcing how you're right based on vague expectations and misinterpretations of what i said.
Yes, my memory is so bad that i seem to think that because the name got changed from Annikin to Luke while the story itself stayed the same they are 2 different things... i must be delusional.
Oh right it's only Films vs Films+EU... everything else gets sorted on an individual basis, what a giant fail... i should give up my forum badge right now.
[STRIKE]How the sequels where sold is down to exactly what i said about peopel responding to Vader and Han etc. from the first one... people liked them so they where used more in the advertisments, and maybe even the film (yeah, i for one will not be counting to see how much more time they get compared to ep.4).
The fact that you ignore the dwarfs is contemptible... ELF-LOVER.Note how its all about Luke. Remember \"the Hobbit\"? It was all about Bilbo Baggins.
See how Luke is just another character? Now, I´d be glad to shove down your throat comparison to films with a main character, like Indiana Jones, Conan or the Bourne trilogy, but even after not getting it for two threads and you taking it to ad-hominems, I still have faith in your intelligence.
Again, Luke isnt the main character, but a main character in the OT, just like frodo is in LOTR. And with epI-III, its all about Vader.
Hurray, you finally learned to read.
I'd go look for the description of the fallacy, but you'll just skip it like the last time (something about moving the goalposts i believe + the straw man thing you've been having since whenever).
I really love how you argue all over the place to run away from a)your failed arguements, and b) the fact that you were wrong about being Luke being the main character.
Oh, and George didnt allow pre-prequel, so I´d love for you to find me one pre-SW story where we see Anakin´s story being told, not that you´ll ever be able to find one and wll just post anther thread of more SW fanboys bitching on small details, and NO ANAKIN.
I'm sorry but no, you don't get to have it both ways... either the prequels made the whole 6 movies Vader's saga, and thus the OT is Luke's saga because the first film was about him (like the prequels where about Vader), or they're not after New Hope and then the whole 6 movies aren't about Vader either...
Nah, that's the Xanatos Gambit playing villain... and he wins, he wins so bad...
Whine about fallacies [/quote]Why are wyou whining about fallacies, I say Lucas always wanted to tell the rest of the Vader story, and you idiotically post a thread that has NOTHING to do with Vader´s past as Anakin.
I really love how you argue all over the place to run away from a)your failed arguements, and b) the fact that you were wrong about being Luke being the main character.
Oh, and George didnt allow pre-prequel, so I´d love for you to find me one pre-SW story where we see Anakin´s story being told, not that you´ll ever be able to find one and wll just post anther thread of more SW fanboys bitching on small details, and NO ANAKIN.
I'm sorry but no, you don't get to have it both ways... either the prequels made the whole 6 movies Vader's saga, and thus the OT is Luke's saga, and yes, I own Star Wars and can overule the movies, creator and marketing.[/QUOTE]Riiight.
As valid as saying only Luke was the main character, but sorry, as much as I ignore fanboy opinion like the Luke fanboy who says he is above Lucas´ own words, marketing and the movies in deciding what the movie is about, I dont read fanfiction, unless its canon and has been called "the phantom menace"
Again, got any sources for that?
Love your own quotes-\"Lian\" said:
*yawns*Star wars Ep IV!!!
While I see that you can barely grasp one language (english), Im sure you are smart enough to search google, but hey, if you want to keep babbling about fallacies and strawmen after making them left or right, and STILL not find one EU story of Anakin pre-prequels, I'll just repost over and over to the new fanboy.\"Lian\" said:
Whine about fallacies [/quote]Why are wyou whining about fallacies, I say Lucas always wanted to tell the rest of the Vader story, and you idiotically post a thread that has NOTHING to do with Vader´s past as Anakin.
I really love how you argue all over the place to run away from a)your failed arguements, and b) the fact that you were wrong about being Luke being the main character.
Oh, and George didnt allow pre-prequel, so I´d love for you to find me one pre-SW story where we see Anakin´s story being told, not that you´ll ever be able to find one and wll just post anther thread of more SW fanboys bitching on small details, and NO ANAKIN.
I'm sorry but no, you don't get to have it both ways... either the prequels made the whole 6 movies Vader's saga, and thus the OT is Luke's saga, and yes, I own Star Wars and can overule the movies, creator and marketing.[/quote]Riiight.
As valid as saying only Luke was the main character, but sorry, as much as I ignore fanboy opinion like the Luke fanboy who says he is above Lucas´ own words, marketing and the movies in deciding what the movie is about, I dont read fanfiction, unless its canon and has been called "the phantom menace"[/QUOTE]
Love your own quotes-\"Lian\" said:
It's a certain story about Anakin Skywalker and once Anakin Skywalker dies, that's kind of the end of the story. There is no story about Luke Skywalker, I mean apart from the books.
*yawns*Star wars Ep IV!!!
Here I tell the Luke fanboy over and over that ep IV was about Luke, like the Hobbit was about just Bilbo and Conan books are about just Conan, but ep V-VI were like LOTR and had many main characters, and the kid posts epIV to prove my point. Guess what, it changed with ep V and VI.
Again-
Now lets move on and see how Lucas sold ep V and V?
See how Luke is just another character? Now, I´d be glad to shove down your throat comparison to films with a main character, like Indiana Jones, Conan or the Bourne trilogy, but even after not getting it for two threads and you taking it to ad-hominems, I still have faith in your intelligence.
Really, how about you find me any stories about Han Solo's childhood that came out at the same time as the OT... or even Leia's or Luke's on Aldeeran of Tatooine.
Love your own quotes-Lian said:
It's a certain story about Anakin Skywalker and once Anakin Skywalker dies, that's kind of the end of the story. There is no story about Luke Skywalker, I mean apart from the books.
*yawns*Star wars Ep IV!!!
Here I tell the Luke fanboy over and over that ep IV was about Luke, like the Hobbit was about just Bilbo and Conan books are about just Conan, but ep V-VI were like LOTR and had many main characters, and the kid posts epIV to prove my point. Guess what, it changed with ep V and VI.
Again-
Now lets move on and see how Lucas sold ep V and V?
See how Luke is just another character? Now, I´d be glad to shove down your throat comparison to films with a main character, like Indiana Jones, Conan or the Bourne trilogy, but even after not getting it for two threads and you taking it to ad-hominems, I still have faith in your intelligence.
Now they have more screentime?!
Hmmm:
I don't read that stuff. I haven't read any of the novels. I don't know anything about that world. That's a different world than my world. But I do try to keep it consistent. The way I do it now is they have a Star Wars Encyclopedia. So if I come up with a name or something else, I look it up and see if it has already been used. When I said [other people] could make their own Star Wars stories, we decided that, like Star Trek, we would have two universes: My universe and then this other one. They try to make their universe as consistent with mine as possible, but obviously they get enthusiastic and want to go off in other directions. - George Lucas, from an interview in Starlog #337Plus, Thrawn came out in 1992 and the prequels where announced in 1993, so the "only 6 movies cause it's only about Vader" thing must have been a thing that came up then.
I aknowledge that EPIV is Luke's movie, its all about him, and he remains a central character (with Solo and Leia elevated to central character status)
Errr, sorry Lian, but didnt I just post many posters, most with very little Luke?
Well, thanks for finally saying the same thing I said, like I said-
Yes, one could pretend that the prequels dont exist, but they do, and Star Wars+ESB+TRTJ (now with Star Wars being called just IV-A New Hope) are just 3 chapters of a 6-chapter story thats now about Vader.
I aknowledge that EPIV is Luke's movie, its all about him, and he remains a central character (with Solo and Leia elevated to central character status)
Errr, sorry Lian, but didnt I just post many posters, most with very little Luke?
Well, thanks for finally saying the same thing I said, like I said-
Yes, one could pretend that the prequels dont exist, but they do, and Star Wars+ESB+TRTJ (now with Star Wars being called just IV-A New Hope) are just 3 chapters of a 6-chapter story thats now about Vader.
Amen on that.
