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ThatNickGuy
Le Quack, I do believe he said "smell" AND "secondhand smoke".
Marijuana And You
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Silvanesti
And I do believe that people should have the right to make their own choices.
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and also,
fine we get it you don't like smoke. but what about all the other ways to use pot? you against those too?
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and also,
fine we get it you don't like smoke. but what about all the other ways to use pot? you against those too?
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ThatNickGuy
For cheap, easy to make materials for hemp material like shirts and rope and such? Absolutely not. It's a shame that the plant has now been given its bad rap as a stoner planet instead of something a little more viable.
Vaporizer, baked goods, loli(pops)... ?
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Pojodan
I just find the notion of setting something on fire and then inhaling what's produced to be less than desirable for any substance.
I was just pointing out that public opinion was going against smoking right now, where as there was a time where if you DIDN'T smoke, people looked at you funny. It's a shift in public opinion. The fact that many places are switching from smoking sections to just no smoking period (by choice mind you. I'm not talking about places where there are laws against it) is indicative of the paradigm shift.
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Silvanesti
This.
GasBandit
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Yeah, you guys seen these crazy new "electronic cigarettes?"
I think your imagined paradigm shift to a non-smoking culture is a little premature. Hookah lounges are springing up all over the country and doing good business.
http://health.usnews.com/articles/health/2008/01/02/the-rising-allure--and-danger--of-hookah.html
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Silvanesti
They look rather nifty, and thats part of my question. If the only thing people care about is that it creates smelly smoke. Then why not allow all the other ways that people can get high without smoke?
Yes a friend of mine has switched to those. It is a neat alternative to the cigarette.
ElJuski
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Much like I find the notion of perceiving myself as a feline less than desirable for any reason.
People get so up their assholes about smoking and smoke; the smoking ban--although I don't necessarily agree with--I do appreciate bars not being a cesspool of carcinogens. However, I think its ludicrous that we have to nanny state the whole operation. And I think the opponents of marijuanna legalization are simply indoctrinated to the old regime of thought that was impressed upon Americans by tobacco and alcohol lobbiest of yesteryore.
You know, the people that wanted to ban it because it made the blackies rape our pretty white women.
It's moving into specialized locations and into the backrooms, as opposed to being something you always had to deal with no matter where you went. I think the fact that your getting "smoking speakeasys" actually does more to illustrate my point.
ElJuski
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Uhh...not at all. Tinted glasses, much? They're called "HOOKAH BARS". It's not some sheisty operation. They operate in shopping malls. There's probably one within ten miles of your current location.
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Pojodan
That's your right, but my perception of things can't cause you cancer if I do it right next to you.
Just sayin.
ElJuski
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Of course, once again, common decency applies. I'm not advocating blowing smoke in your face. Those people are assholes. What I *am* advocating is for people to take their cancer and vices at their own private will. Who gives a shit if the guy that lives next door tokes? None of my business.
Similarly, I don't give a shit if a business decides to operate with people being able to smoke inside. It's kind of like how I *choose* not to step into a gay bar, and, were I to choose so, I'd be aware of the consequences wherein.
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Also I get really ticked at how pompous anti-smokers are, like they don't have their own various unhealthy vices. We should also monitor people's food intake, excersize, etc.
ElJuski
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not to mention ban drinking as a whole, because drunk drivers kill people constantly.
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I know you loved it baby
Doubtful. I have to drive 30 minutes to an hour to get to an open Mall around these parts
I haven't been to an arcade in years that wasn't inside a movie theater or bowling alley.But again I point out that smoking is moving out of theaters, restaurants, bars, and other places where it was a serious problem and instead moving into smaller, specialized locations where like minded individuals can do it freely. You could also probably attribute some of the rise in hookah use to an increase of immigrants from places in the world where it's considered a social activity.
Smoking is probably never going to completely go away, but it's definitely changing from the 50's era where everyone was doing it and thus nobody cared.
The Juice is right.
I live outside of Dallas in a small town called Denton, population a little over 100K
We've got a six or 7 hookah bars in the main city.
http://tinyurl.com/l6dzmb
DFW has hundreds
http://tinyurl.com/ncqhev
And those are just the ones google maps found on my quick search of "hookah bars"
I'd hardly call these little hidden backroom speakeasies. Heh.
Oh, and by the way, Galloway, Ohio has 4 nearby in the big city. The closest is about 13 miles away. Not exactly "10 miles'..but close enough to make Juski's point valid.
http://tinyurl.com/lazb5q
ElJuski
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Okay, so people know the risks of smoking more since 60 years ago. That's fantastic, I agree with you. What's the problem, then? Why can't smokers have their own bars?Doubtful. I have to drive 30 minutes to an hour to get to an open Mall around these parts
But again I point out that smoking is moving out of theaters, restaurants, bars, and other places where it was a serious problem and instead moving into smaller, specialized locations where like minded individuals can do it freely. You could also probably attribute some of the rise in hookah use to an increase of immigrants from places in the world where it's considered a social activity.
Smoking is probably never going to completely go away, but it's definitely changing from the 50's era where everyone was doing it and thus nobody cared.
That would be because Franklin County passed anti-smoking legislation a year or two ago. A Hookah place would be inherently violating that city ordinance. I'm not surprised to see them up on campus, as OSU is pretty strict about smoking as well. I AM surprised to see one in German Village though.
EDIT: Actually, now that I think about it, I think Columbus may have passed a similar ordinance. What are those hookah places doing, selling the actual devices?
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Silvanesti
because fuck em, thats why. To some people smokers are less than human and dont deserve basic human respect.
GasBandit
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Thus is demonstrated one of the dangers of straight democracy. If 2 men and a woman are marooned on a desert island, and a vote is called about whether or not her consent is required for sex, democracy means little to her. The "Tyranny of the majority" and all that.
As Ben Franklin said so many years ago, none are so dangerous to our country as those who would control your actions "for your own good."
I'm not so sure.
Judge blocks smoking-ban exemption for private clubs - From 2007, after the ban was passed.
It looks like it's being appealed though.
Cigar Store Owners Support Appeal of Smoking Ban Enforcement Case
Oh wait... it looks like it was a state-wide ban, not just county wide.
Lawmaker wants smoking ban changes
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Chibibar
I did try to smoke when I was younger (stupid of me) and drink rarely.
I'm too cheap to do drugs. You know how much stuff I can buy with the money I would have spent on drugs?? gaming is the legal drug for me.
I'm too cheap to do drugs. You know how much stuff I can buy with the money I would have spent on drugs?? gaming is the legal drug for me.
Ironically enough, there is apparently a word for place that allows smoking in places it's forbidden: Smokeasy.
Anyway, here's a list of current smoking bans in the US. It does seem that most places do provide exceptions (though it's a little sad I had to prove your point for you
) and it does seem that Ohio does allow retail as an exception.
Anyway, here's a list of current smoking bans in the US. It does seem that most places do provide exceptions (though it's a little sad I had to prove your point for you
) and it does seem that Ohio does allow retail as an exception.
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callistarya
He has me doing that crap too. Can't just say "This is true, anymore." gah
I'm the woman in this relationship! I'm always supposed to be right.
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