Gas Bandit's Political Thread V: The Vampire Likes Bats

Andrew Martin, founder of the Daily Kos.
DKos was founded by Markos Moulitsas, FYI.[/quote]

Whoops. You're right, it was Moulitsas who endorsed Scozzafava. So the point still stands, but now I have to figure out where I got Andrew Martin from.[/QUOTE]

I was wondering that. I found a couple guys who ran for congress is random districts, but no one who rises to the level of nationally-prominent political figure or pundit...
 

GasBandit

Staff member
I have to chuckle at how shrill and maniacal DA's getting in his posts. Yelling, screaming, repeating the same word over again. If I didn't know better, I'd think he was a Republican trying to portray a stereotypical left wing nutcase stereotype.

I'm especially laughing at how he thinks the New York special election was a crushing defeat for the right, when the stated purpose was exactly what happened - Conservatives would rather guarantee a Democrat the seat than elect another Liberal in Republican clothing. Yeah, the Liberals can have that little NY district... they just lost the governorship of freaking Super-Uber-Blue NEW JERSEY. Big victory there, Democrats :rolleyes:

What you didn't get was chasing that New York district into democrat hands was exactly what needed to be done. The Republican party is sick, diseased and hypocritical. It needs to be beaten and beaten and continued to be absolutely beaten down like a rented mule so long as it continues to put up candidates that are simply "Diet Democrats."

The idiots who constantly harp on the media about how the Republican party is further marginalizing itself by "chasing out all the moderates" are making 2 critical mistakes - 1) they weren't moderates, they were RINOs, and 2) pandering to moderates never won the Republicans anything, in fact it lost them the 2008 election. What energizes people to vote republican is when they actually go hardcore conservative. Reagan didn't get Elected twice by appealing to the Lindsey Grahams and Olympia Snowes of the world... he got elected twice by taking a hard conservative stance.

Well, let's get some links going, I suppose - Sorry for my continued absences, training 3 people at work here and sometimes it horns in on my free time :p

Did you know that Nancy Pelosi thinks that she and her fellow Democrats are ready to vote on a bill even though they don't know the price tag?

Senate Democrats have blocked a Republican attempt to require the next census forms to ask people whether they are a U.S. citizen.

For any of the scientists who do not buy into this global warming scam, Barack Obama says "We'll just have to deal with those people."

Spending in Washington right now isn't all thanks to Democrats. Republicans have had their share of earmarks lately.

How does the government pay to extend unemployment benefits? It extends a federal unemployment tax on employers. THAT'LL get them hiring again :rolleyes:

In the aftermath of the government's cash for clunkers program, we learned that people who traded in their pickup trucks traded them in for ... pickup trucks.

Looks like Russia is gearing up for round two in a war with Georgia.

It's already time for these stories again ... Christmas tree vs. holiday tree.

Consider yourself warned. Two Republicans in the House yesterday warned the Obama administration that Congress cannot bailout the Financial Housing Administration. Rep. Darrell Issa and Rep. Spencer Bachus released a letter warning that if Washington does not take swift action to address the problems of the FHA, it may result in another massive taxpayer-funded bailout, which we cannot afford. First it was Fannie and Freddie. The next big shoe to drop is the FHA. One quarter of all home loans made this year were through the FHA, and 80% of those loans were to first-time home buyers. But the FHA may be in need of a bailout after suffering losses of $54 billion. And how does this happen? By making loans to people who can't afford to pay them. Sounds familiar, doesn't it?

A list from the Politico: Obama's best, and worst, moves so far.

Did you know that CBO estimates on Pelosicare assume that the government will collect $167 billion over the next ten years from people who fail to buy insurance?

This is government ... a House panel set up to "bring meaningful change" to earmark reform has done nothing in last year except request more earmarks.

Some pundits believe that these elections this week showed that Democrats have lost the middle class vote, unless they get spending under control.

Barbara Boxer continues to work on her climate change bill in committee .. by herself.

The blog Big Hollywood has uncovered more videos of government school children singing the praises of Barack Obama. They are officially calling it an epidemic.

Apparently getting a raise in salary is considered a 'job saved' according to the federal government.

How about federal stimulus money that claimed to create/save 473 teaching jobs in an Illinois district that only employs 290 teachers.

When it comes down to it, CNN did not crack the top 30 cable networks in prime time.

Who knew there was such drama over what paintings hang on the walls of the White House?

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So the Republicans have come up with a 230-page healthcare alternative. It took the Democrats 1,990 pages. Wonder why it took so much more. Could it be perhaps because the Democrat plan grossly expands the federal government and bureaucracy?What does the Republican alternative include? Glad you asked. Some of the highlights are:

  • Increasing incentives for people to use health savings accounts
  • Capping non-economic awards in medical malpractices cases
  • Incentives for states to drive down premium costs
  • Allowing health insurance to be sold across state lines
What does the Republican plan NOT include?

  • No employer mandate
  • No individual health insurance mandate
  • It doesn't require insurers to cover pre-existing conditions
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California Rep. George Miller has proposed new federal legislation that would force employers to provide paid time off for any workers that are told to stay home when they are sick. The excuse at hand is the Swine Flu. The real excuse? Labor unions ... and power.

White House Budget Director Peter Orszag warned Tuesday that large federal deficits will eventually imperil the U.S. economy. Gee, ya think?

After Northwest pilots overshot an airport by 150 miles, lawmakers now want to ban the use of computer laptops and other personal electronic devices in airline cockpits.

Hollywood receives help from the government, why no salary caps?

Sesame Street - teaching your kids to dis Fox News -
 
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Armadillo

Andrew Martin, founder of the Daily Kos.
DKos was founded by Markos Moulitsas, FYI.[/quote]

Whoops. You're right, it was Moulitsas who endorsed Scozzafava. So the point still stands, but now I have to figure out where I got Andrew Martin from.[/QUOTE]

I was wondering that. I found a couple guys who ran for congress is random districts, but no one who rises to the level of nationally-prominent political figure or pundit...[/QUOTE]

OK, I think I figured it out. It's kind of funny, really.

Andrew Martin was a professional wrestler who worked under the name "Test." He died earlier this year, and I'm a semi-fan of wrestling, so that's probably where the name came from. It doesn't explain how I associated him with politics.

For that, we look to Andrew Breitbart, founder of conservative sites Breitbart.com, BigHollywood.com, and BigGovernment.com. So to sum up, I managed to mash-up the DailyKos, Breitbart, and WWE in one fell swoop. Looks like I picked a bad week to stop sniffing glue.
 
Oh, Gas. Dear sweet deluded Gas. You don't get it, do you? Of course not. You're not From Here, are you? That's why the Friends of Coal have to try so hard to convince people that those pesky mountains and streams are in the way of those geniuses like Don Blankenship getting that those black diamonds within. How ungrateful of them to build a school in the way of the mine that will go there 40 years later.

There are no Democrats. There are no Republicans. There are only the Friends of Coal and their puppets or the goop that isn't worthy of being scraped off of one's shoe. Which are you? I know for damn sure where the folks in Charleston stand.
 

GasBandit

Staff member
Oh, Gas. Dear sweet deluded Gas. You don't get it, do you? Of course not. You're not From Here, are you? That's why the Friends of Coal have to try so hard to convince people that those pesky mountains and streams are in the way of those geniuses like Don Blankenship getting that those black diamonds within. How ungrateful of them to build a school in the way of the mine that will go there 40 years later.

There are no Democrats. There are no Republicans. There are only the Friends of Coal and their puppets or the goop that isn't worthy of being scraped off of one's shoe. Which are you? I know for damn sure where the folks in Charleston stand.
I must applaud you, DarkAudit. Applaud!





You have reached a level of absolute insanity I thought was possible only in comic books and subversive animated comedy.
 
I'm confused. Did DarkAudit go off the deep end or is there context in one of his links he posted? (which I would probably read if he linked with some context)
 
You have reached a level of absolute insanity I thought was possible only in comic books and subversive animated comedy.
What you call insanity, we call reality. Where else would a university gleefully name a chair after Robert Murray, the Utah mine owner where six miners and then three rescuers were killed.
 
Senate Democrats have blocked a Republican attempt to require the next census forms to ask people whether they are a U.S. citizen
There are some serious issues with doing it actually. The biggest seems to be that people are worried that such information might be used to hunt down illegals and boot them out of the country, which does seem like a legitimate concern. Some kind of guarantee that such information won't be used in retaliation seems to be in order at least.

Considering Census works have been murdered in the last year (you yourself posted the link early in the thread, so I won't) it does seem like a good idea that we let Illegals know that the Census office isn't in collusion with the INS.
 
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Armadillo

Going after coal, I see.

I sure hope you don't enjoy having cheap electricity. That would make you a hypocrite.

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Senate Democrats have blocked a Republican attempt to require the next census forms to ask people whether they are a U.S. citizen
There are some serious issues with doing it actually. The biggest seems to be that people are worried that such information might be used to hunt down illegals and boot them out of the country, which does seem like a legitimate concern. Some kind of guarantee that such information won't be used in retaliation seems to be in order at least.

Considering Census works have been murdered in the last year (you yourself posted the link early in the thread, so I won't) it does seem like a good idea that we let Illegals know that the Census office isn't in collusion with the INS.[/QUOTE]

Oh, thank you so much for bringing this up!!!

AP sources: Suicide eyed in Kentucky census worker case

Investigators probing the death of a Kentucky census worker found hanging from a tree with the word \"fed\" scrawled on his chest increasingly doubt he was killed because of his government job and are pursuing the possibility he committed suicide, law enforcement officials told The Associated Press.
Now, as for the whole census-citizen thing:

1. The census (originally) was intended to find out how many people lived in an area in order to determine congressional representation. Since Congress only represents Americans, it makes sense to determine how many AMERICAN CITIZENS live in a locale/state, doesn't it?

2. No matter what you think about immigration issues, illegal immigrants are just that: illegal. They're here illegally, also known as breaking the law. INS is a law-enforcement agency. Their job is to enforce immigration laws, which illegal immigrants are breaking. Now that I've piled on redundancies, why SHOULDN'T illegals be discovered and deported? THEY'RE BREAKING THE FUCKING LAW!!! It's like telling cops they can't go after the guy who just robbed a bank.
 

GasBandit

Staff member
Senate Democrats have blocked a Republican attempt to require the next census forms to ask people whether they are a U.S. citizen
There are some serious issues with doing it actually. The biggest seems to be that people are worried that such information might be used to hunt down illegals and boot them out of the country, which does seem like a legitimate concern. Some kind of guarantee that such information won't be used in retaliation seems to be in order at least.

Considering Census works have been murdered in the last year (you yourself posted the link early in the thread, so I won't) it does seem like a good idea that we let Illegals know that the Census office isn't in collusion with the INS.[/QUOTE]

IMO, we SHOULD be doing more to track down and deport illegals. If we need census workers armed and working in pairs to ensure their safety, then so be it.
 
Now, as for the whole census-citizen thing:

1. The census (originally) was intended to find out how many people lived in an area in order to determine congressional representation. Since Congress only represents Americans, it makes sense to determine how many AMERICAN CITIZENS live in a locale/state, doesn't it?

2. No matter what you think about immigration issues, illegal immigrants are just that: illegal. They're here illegally, also known as breaking the law. INS is a law-enforcement agency. Their job is to enforce immigration laws, which illegal immigrants are breaking. Now that I've piled on redundancies, why SHOULDN'T illegals be discovered and deported? THEY'RE BREAKING THE FUCKING LAW!!! It's like telling cops they can't go after the guy who just robbed a bank.
I agree, they are here illegally and should be deported. That being said...

1.) SUICIDE? Unless it was some bizarre attempt to stir up shit by making it look like a murder, the circumstances indicate that something else went down. It seems to me the cops are just trying to close the case and get rid of it, instead of actually doing their god damn jobs.

2.) Turning Census workers into boogie men for illegals would prevent them from doing their jobs. If we want to know how many of them are around in a district, we need them to trust the Census enough to know they aren't there to ruin their lives. Your right, INS -IS- a law enforcement. The Census is not. You want them to collude? Talk to your congressman. I prefer to live in a country were everyone in the Government isn't out to get you.
 
I prefer to live in a country were everyone in the Government isn't out to get you.
Hah, good luck finding one.[/QUOTE]

I find it interesting you can reconcile your belief that the government should have less power and then in the same breath call for it to use glorified bookkeepers as front line agents in the war against illegal immigration. You can't have it both ways.
 
Going after coal, I see.

I sure hope you don't enjoy having cheap electricity. That would make you a hypocrite.
I like the mountains the way they are. Also the streams that for the moment still have clean water. Folks like Blankenship don't give two shits about anyone but himself. The pols and judges are to be put in his pocket to use as he sees fit, and everyone else better be making money for him or getting the fuck out of his way.

It may not matter to you out in Texas or wherever else, but mountaintop removal is a hot button issue over here.
 
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Armadillo

Going after coal, I see.

I sure hope you don't enjoy having cheap electricity. That would make you a hypocrite.
I like the mountains the way they are. Also the streams that for the moment still have clean water. Folks like Blankenship don't give two shits about anyone but himself. The pols and judges are to be put in his pocket to use as he sees fit, and everyone else better be making money for him or getting the fuck out of his way.

It may not matter to you out in Texas or wherever else, but mountaintop removal is a hot button issue over here.[/QUOTE]

Minnesota, actually. If mountaintop removal is big in West Virginia, that's for West Virginia to decide. I'm just not ready to decry an industry that has provided cheap, abundant energy, and isn't nearly as dirty as it once was.
 

GasBandit

Staff member
I prefer to live in a country were everyone in the Government isn't out to get you.
Hah, good luck finding one.[/quote]

I find it interesting you can reconcile your belief that the government should have less power and then in the same breath call for it to use glorified bookkeepers as front line agents in the war against illegal immigration. You can't have it both ways.[/QUOTE]

Less power, yes. But I am not an anarchist, I believe in the rule of law. If there is one power that government IS supposed to have, it is this. The problem is we are selectively enforcing laws to fit political agendas, and that must also stop. This is not in conflict with Libertarianism. We don't want to privatize the police or army either, as some of our critics lampoon us.
 
Going after coal, I see.

I sure hope you don't enjoy having cheap electricity. That would make you a hypocrite.
I like the mountains the way they are. Also the streams that for the moment still have clean water. Folks like Blankenship don't give two shits about anyone but himself. The pols and judges are to be put in his pocket to use as he sees fit, and everyone else better be making money for him or getting the fuck out of his way.

It may not matter to you out in Texas or wherever else, but mountaintop removal is a hot button issue over here.[/QUOTE]

Minnesota, actually. If mountaintop removal is big in West Virginia, that's for West Virginia to decide. I'm just not ready to decry an industry that has provided cheap, abundant energy, and isn't nearly as dirty as it once was.[/QUOTE]

Maybe not as dirty once it gets to the power plant, but the toll on the ecosystem during extraction is far higher. And just damn ugly.


The underlying message of the Friends of Coal to the state is "We own you. Body and soul we fucking own you." Blankenship had to be told by SCOTUS that he wasn't allowed to buy himself judges anymore.
 
There are some serious issues with doing it actually. The biggest seems to be that people are worried that such information might be used to hunt down illegals and boot them out of the country, which does seem like a legitimate concern. Some kind of guarantee that such information won't be used in retaliation seems to be in order at least.

Considering Census works have been murdered in the last year (you yourself posted the link early in the thread, so I won't) it does seem like a good idea that we let Illegals know that the Census office isn't in collusion with the INS.
I get what you're saying, but Im personally in favor of more ways to find illegals...It always amazes me that the US is one of the few countries on the world that puts up with this. If I overstayed my visa in China, I'd get my ass deported, and rightfully so.

I find it interesting you can reconcile your belief that the government should have less power and then in the same breath call for it to use glorified bookkeepers as front line agents in the war against illegal immigration. You can't have it both ways.
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I don't see a conflict here. Having less government doesn't mean that laws don't get enforced.
 
There are some serious issues with doing it actually. The biggest seems to be that people are worried that such information might be used to hunt down illegals and boot them out of the country, which does seem like a legitimate concern. Some kind of guarantee that such information won't be used in retaliation seems to be in order at least.

Considering Census works have been murdered in the last year (you yourself posted the link early in the thread, so I won't) it does seem like a good idea that we let Illegals know that the Census office isn't in collusion with the INS.
I get what you're saying, but Im personally in favor of more ways to find illegals...It always amazes me that the US is one of the few countries on the world that puts up with this. If I overstayed my visa in China, I'd get my ass deported, and rightfully so.
You'd be deported because China is already full of disposable workers ready to work for pennies a day, without benefits or health care. Also, China isn't full of PC nut jobs worried about offending millions of people who shouldn't be there, lest they be called "racist" for it.

I find it interesting you can reconcile your belief that the government should have less power and then in the same breath call for it to use glorified bookkeepers as front line agents in the war against illegal immigration. You can't have it both ways.
I don't see a conflict here. Having less government doesn't mean that laws don't get enforced.
It's a conflict because it's using non-law enforcement personnel in a manner unbecoming of their role. Census workers were never meant to be used in that manner, they are only supposed to be used towards their given purpose. Not to mention you'd be turning them into easy targets for retribution... unless you'd rather start sending them out there with weapons. You'd really be proving my point then.
 
It's a conflict because it's using non-law enforcement personnel in a manner unbecoming of their role. Census workers were never meant to be used in that manner, they are only supposed to be used towards their given purpose. Not to mention you'd be turning them into easy targets for retribution... unless you'd rather start sending them out there with weapons. You'd really be proving my point then.
Hasn't that already happened?
 
It's a conflict because it's using non-law enforcement personnel in a manner unbecoming of their role. Census workers were never meant to be used in that manner, they are only supposed to be used towards their given purpose. Not to mention you'd be turning them into easy targets for retribution... unless you'd rather start sending them out there with weapons. You'd really be proving my point then.
Hasn't that already happened?[/QUOTE]

I do believe those are the links I was talking about earlier.
 
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JONJONAUG

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/11/07/health.care/index.html

Health care bill passed in the House, also removed most coverage for abortions except in cases of rape, incest, or if the woman's life is in danger.

Good news on top of more good news, not something you see very often.
I'm willing to bet there are those who will disagree with the House healthcare bill passing being "good news."[/QUOTE]

Whatever, watching Fox News now and laughing at delicious tears.
 
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/11/07/health.care/index.html

Health care bill passed in the House, also removed most coverage for abortions except in cases of rape, incest, or if the woman's life is in danger.

Good news on top of more good news, not something you see very often.
I'm willing to bet there are those who will disagree with the House healthcare bill passing being "good news."[/quote]

Whatever, watching Fox News now and laughing at delicious tears.[/QUOTE]
:party::horn:
 
I hope this didn't stay in:
“H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax.” [page 1]

“If the government determines that the taxpayer’s unpaid tax liability results from willful behavior, the following penalties could apply…” [page 2]


“Criminal penalties

Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:

• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.

• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]
That what I want to do. Go to prison for 5 years if me or my wife decides to not have health coverage. Lovely.
 
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Armadillo

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/11/07/health.care/index.html

Health care bill passed in the House, also removed most coverage for abortions except in cases of rape, incest, or if the woman's life is in danger.

Good news on top of more good news, not something you see very often.
I'm willing to bet there are those who will disagree with the House healthcare bill passing being "good news."[/QUOTE]

Whatever, watching Fox News now and laughing at delicious tears.[/QUOTE]

No, no...don't let my worry about the most bloated, inefficient body in this country taking over 1/6th of the economy and unconstitutionally requiring its citizens to purchase a product under penalty of imprisonment get in the way of your partisan glee. :eyeroll:
 
I hope this didn't stay in:
“H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax.” [page 1]

“If the government determines that the taxpayer’s unpaid tax liability results from willful behavior, the following penalties could apply…” [page 2]


“Criminal penalties

Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:

• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.

• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]
That what I want to do. Go to prison for 5 years if me or my wife decides to not have health coverage. Lovely.
I agree man.
 
I hope this didn't stay in:
“H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax.” [page 1]

“If the government determines that the taxpayer’s unpaid tax liability results from willful behavior, the following penalties could apply…” [page 2]


“Criminal penalties

Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:

• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.

• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]
That what I want to do. Go to prison for 5 years if me or my wife decides to not have health coverage. Lovely.
I agree man.[/QUOTE]


Wha... wh...what? You do? Well. :peace:
I have to warn you though Krisken, you shouldn't have done that. Now SHE is coming after you:
 
I hope this didn't stay in:
“H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax.” [page 1]

“If the government determines that the taxpayer’s unpaid tax liability results from willful behavior, the following penalties could apply…” [page 2]


“Criminal penalties

Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:

• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.

• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]
That what I want to do. Go to prison for 5 years if me or my wife decides to not have health coverage. Lovely.
I agree man.[/quote]


Wha... wh...what? You do? Well. :peace:
I have to warn you though Krisken, you shouldn't have done that. Now SHE is coming after you:
[/QUOTE]
It was a stupid move in trying to appease the Health Insurance industry so they wouldn't fight reform so hard. It's giving the enemy your sword so they will give you a shield. Eventually you'll still get stabbed.
 
Bill and Ted and... Sarah? Fancy pageant walkin' is not a qualifier to be President.

Let the Ft. Hood witch hunts begin. All this anti-Muslim grandstanding is going to do nothing productive.

Republican != conservative. The howler monkeys in the media and on this board don't want you to know that. To them, the former bedrock of the Republican Barty, especially in the Northeast, like Nelson Rockefeller and the Lodge family would be mocked as "RINO"s and purged from their ranks. Their latest target? Florida Governor Charlie Crist.

Given the choice between whoring themselves in front of Fox Noise cameras and voting on national security bills, what does the party of Keeping Us Safe do?
 

GasBandit

Staff member
Bill and Ted and... Sarah? Fancy pageant walkin' is not a qualifier to be President.
But apparently, "community organizing" is? :rolleyes:

Republican != conservative. The howler monkeys in the media and on this board don't want you to know that.
Which howler monkeys? I know I (as well as Covar, Armadillo, and many others) have all repeatedly stated that the problem with the Republican party is it isn't conservative, thus leading to no actual real political choice.




Time for my links!

Over the weekend, in an unusual Saturday vote, Nancy managed to twist enough arms and her PelosiCare legislation passed. The vote was within five: 220-215. That means 39 Democrats aren't going to be attending Nancy Pelosi's Christmas party, and one Republican will be an honorary guest. Republican Rep. Anh "Joseph" Cao of Louisiana voted for the bill. So now we head to the Senate. There are already rumblings that the bill may not pass the Senate, but even if that comes to be true, it's only temporary. The American people have rescinded ownership of their own destiny, proving out the moral assertions of every two-bit tyrant and comic book supervillain - people don't want to be free, they want to be kept. The only freedom Americans still want is the kind that comes without responsibility - the freedom to pick whether they watch American Idol or Dancing with the Stars.

Apparently, links have been found between the Fort Hood shooter and the 9/11 hijackers. That such a man was still in the army is an embarrasment.

The slippery slope of government is no more - there's no slope, now it's just an immediate vertical drop.

This is a list of the winners and the losers, hand-picked by Nancy Pelosi and outlined in her healthcare bill.

Black protesters in Washington over the weekend believe that "Obama is white power in black face."

http://healthcare.nationalreview.com/post/?q=N2NlYTJjZGQ1MDMyNjZjNjU1MGE0NTc5YzJkZjQ3ZGM=Mark Steyn points to a potentially fatal flaw at the heart of what we have called, since 9/11, the "war on terror."

Have you ever noticed that higher income taxes do not translate into smaller budget deficits? Seems that many politicians have yet to notice this.

George Will expounds on this global warming fraud in the lead up to Copenhagen.

Residents in a village in New York will be allowed to cast as many as six votes for one trustee candidate, after a judge ruled that the village voting system was unfair to Hispanics.

The G-20 wants to tax banks and other financial institutions to help fund future government emergency aid, but Timothy Geithner says that the US won't back that plan.

LA Times - Taking a look at polling trends, it seems that the Obama administration has managed to return America to "politics as usual" rather than living up to expectation.

One Congressman's idea of "transparency" includes installing cameras in every room on Capitol Hill.

Looks like Russia may be changing its tune on sanctions against Iran. Maybe this is why ... a secret watchdog report believes that Iran may have already tested an advanced nuclear warhead design.

Freddie Mac posted a $5 billion loss and it predicted that it would need more taxpayer support. BOHICA!

Hugo Chavez is readying his military for war as a deterrent to any US-led attack.

Our debate about healthcare reform has come down to this ...
 
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Armadillo

Republican != conservative. The howler monkeys in the media and on this board don't want you to know that.
Which howler monkeys? I know I (as well as Covar, Armadillo, and many others) have all repeatedly stated that the problem with the Republican party is it isn't conservative, thus leading to no actual real political choice.
We're kind of a clique that way.



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So all the evidence that is coming out that Hasan had extremist tendencies, attended the same mosque as a couple of the 9/11 hijackers under an imam known for radicalism, that he shouted the famous "Allahu Akbar!" as he opened fire on American soldiers, that he expressed sympathy for suicide bombers, that he saw the American military as "oppressors," none of this is relevant or important in the investigation? I really wish I could live in that world; it sounds much more pleasant than reality.
 
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