Spider-Man 4 swinging into theaters May 2011? No, Never. Raimi out, reboot time

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@Li3n

@Li3n

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Shoehorning Venom at the end was so stupid... they should have saved him for the next film... which would end with Eddie going off to do some jail time, where he also get some counselling, where he meets Cletus Cassidy, setting up the Venom spin-off (Eddie/Venom feeling guilty about creating him would make Carnege's one trick pony thing work).
 
Shawn

Shawn

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@Li3n said:
Shoehorning Venom at the end was so stupid... they should have saved him for the next film... which would end with Eddie going off to do some jail time, where he also get some counselling, where he meets Cletus Cassidy, setting up the Venom spin-off (Eddie/Venom feeling guilty about creating him would make Carnege's one trick pony thing work).
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I have yet to see very few Super Hero films that don't end in the death of the villain at the end. The Chris Nolan Batman films are the only ones that have managed this with great success.
 
@Li3n

@Li3n

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Sandman was alive at the end of Spidey 3 as i recall.

Also, people would be more accepting of it if Venom was just a creepy stalker but not a murderer (of innocent people at least). And they could always go with the uncertain death angle and show he survived and is in police custody in the spin off...
 
Shawn

Shawn

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@Li3n said:
Sandman was alive at the end of Spidey 3 as i recall.

Also, people would be more accepting of it if Venom was just a creepy stalker but not a murderer (of innocent people at least). And they could always go with the uncertain death angle and show he survived and is in police custody in the spin off...
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You know how that movie could have been improved?
Venom attacks the moment he becomes Venom. I mean Spider-man/Peter Parker is right there. Venom is all about rage and violence right? Why go seek out Sandman and come up with this elaborate plot to get Spider-man to come to his doom when all he has to do is jump up the bell tower and rip apart Spidey. That would have been a far superior fight scene. After he deals with Venom, he can go on and take down Sandman.

The movie's ending however leads me to ask a very vital question when understanding villain's motives. If you are all about ultimate revenge, why are you leaving the hero's woman alive when he comes for her? I say kill the bitch and hang her body up where you want the hero to go. Not only will the hero most definitely come, but he's going to be so rage stricken that he's going to likely make a big mistake during the fight. And even if he doesn't and even if you lose, you can lose happy because you know you've already destroyed him mentally.
 
Shawn

Shawn

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Charlie Dont Surf;261463][quote=Shawnacy said:
I have yet to see very few Super Hero films that don't end in the death of the villain at the end. The Chris Nolan Batman films are the only ones that have managed this with great success.
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Every X-men movie. Fantastic Four movies.[/QUOTE]
True. But I think X-men 2 was the only one of those that turned out to be a good movie.
And then X-men 3 made up for it by killing everyone off.

And the Fantastic 4 movies have only had one badguy between the two films anyway.
And a cloud...
 
bhamv3

bhamv3

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They tried.

And in the second movie the cloud was apparently killed off by its herald.

I was thinking the next Spider-Man movie could go for a more cerebral villain, like the Kingpin. Peter Parker's supposed to be one of the smartest people alive, right? Yet we've never seen him out-think an opponent. We get he can swing around and shoot webbing pretty good, but where's the brains to go with the brawn? It'd be cool to see Peter do more detective work and track down the baddie, and then beat him up.
 
figmentPez

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Shawnacy said:
The movie's ending however leads me to ask a very vital question when understanding villain's motives. If you are all about ultimate revenge, why are you leaving the hero's woman alive when he comes for her? I say kill the bitch and hang her body up where you want the hero to go. Not only will the hero most definitely come, but he's going to be so rage stricken that he's going to likely make a big mistake during the fight. And even if he doesn't and even if you lose, you can lose happy because you know you've already destroyed him mentally.
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Well, in Venom's case it's because he doesn't hate Mary Jane. He hates Peter Parker / Spider-Man and views Mary Jane as a victim. Or at least that's how I remember it from the comics. I can't remember how Venom acted towards Mary Jane in the movie.
 
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JCM

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Thats pretty much it... venom never attacked MJ, and just wanted revenge against Parker.

Mind you, thats the original Venom, not the bRaAiInNssSss Gene-Simmons-tongued Venom of the Larsen years.
bhamv3 said:
They tried.

And in the second movie the cloud was apparently killed off by its herald.

I was thinking the next Spider-Man movie could go for a more cerebral villain, like the Kingpin. Peter Parker's supposed to be one of the smartest people alive, right? Yet we've never seen him out-think an opponent. We get he can swing around and shoot webbing pretty good, but where's the brains to go with the brawn? It'd be cool to see Peter do more detective work and track down the baddie, and then beat him up.
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He has already appeared in the TV Hulk movie, and the Daredevil movie.
 
Shannow

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There is already talk of another FF movie, a reset though, since the others were so abysmal.
 
Charlie Don't Surf

Charlie Don't Surf

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Shannow said:
There is already talk of another FF movie, a reset though, since the others were so abysmal.
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I didn't think they were that abysmal, just more that they skewed a little younger than the other superhero movies. I loved Julian McMahon as Victor Doom, Evans as Torch, and Chiklis as Thing. It was a shame the Storm couple were just completely devoid of any charisma or talent or chemistry.
 
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ThatNickGuy

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I liked the FF movies. They were short, fun and didn't wear out their welcome. Plus, Chiklis was the PERFECT casting for 'ol Ben Grimm.

Even though it won't happen, I'd love to see him come back as The Thing, even if the rest of the cast doesn't. Honestly, I think out of all of them, Alba's the one who looked the most out of place. Just a totally wrong casting there.
 
@Li3n

@Li3n

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Shawnacy;261451][quote=@Li3n said:
Sandman was alive at the end of Spidey 3 as i recall.

Also, people would be more accepting of it if Venom was just a creepy stalker but not a murderer (of innocent people at least). And they could always go with the uncertain death angle and show he survived and is in police custody in the spin off...
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You know how that movie could have been improved?
Venom attacks the moment he becomes Venom. I mean Spider-man/Peter Parker is right there. Venom is all about rage and violence right? Why go seek out Sandman and come up with this elaborate plot to get Spider-man to come to his doom when all he has to do is jump up the bell tower and rip apart Spidey. That would have been a far superior fight scene. After he deals with Venom, he can go on and take down Sandman.

The movie's ending however leads me to ask a very vital question when understanding villain's motives. If you are all about ultimate revenge, why are you leaving the hero's woman alive when he comes for her? I say kill the bitch and hang her body up where you want the hero to go. Not only will the hero most definitely come, but he's going to be so rage stricken that he's going to likely make a big mistake during the fight. And even if he doesn't and even if you lose, you can lose happy because you know you've already destroyed him mentally.[/QUOTE]

Mindless Venom was always stupid... a self-delusional Eddie Brock (this is the one thing Spidey 3 got right) bonded to an alien symbiot that's a bit like a scorned lover (in the comics Spidey defeated Venom by offering himself back to the symbiot) is way better.... no need to make Eddie a murderer either.
 
Bowielee

Bowielee

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@Li3n;262160][quote=Shawnacy;261451][quote=@Li3n said:
Sandman was alive at the end of Spidey 3 as i recall.

Also, people would be more accepting of it if Venom was just a creepy stalker but not a murderer (of innocent people at least). And they could always go with the uncertain death angle and show he survived and is in police custody in the spin off...
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You know how that movie could have been improved?
Venom attacks the moment he becomes Venom. I mean Spider-man/Peter Parker is right there. Venom is all about rage and violence right? Why go seek out Sandman and come up with this elaborate plot to get Spider-man to come to his doom when all he has to do is jump up the bell tower and rip apart Spidey. That would have been a far superior fight scene. After he deals with Venom, he can go on and take down Sandman.

The movie's ending however leads me to ask a very vital question when understanding villain's motives. If you are all about ultimate revenge, why are you leaving the hero's woman alive when he comes for her? I say kill the bitch and hang her body up where you want the hero to go. Not only will the hero most definitely come, but he's going to be so rage stricken that he's going to likely make a big mistake during the fight. And even if he doesn't and even if you lose, you can lose happy because you know you've already destroyed him mentally.[/QUOTE]

Mindless Venom was always stupid... a self-delusional Eddie Brock (this is the one thing Spidey 3 got right) bonded to an alien symbiot that's a bit like a scorned lover (in the comics Spidey defeated Venom by offering himself back to the symbiot) is way better.... no need to make Eddie a murderer either.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, for all the internal organ eating venom talked about, he never really killed that many people. Not until the symbiote went all psychotic on him.

I liked the original concept of Venom, with his twisted sense of justice and innocence.
 
Shannow

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ThatNickGuy said:
I liked the FF movies. They were short, fun and didn't wear out their welcome. Plus, Chiklis was the PERFECT casting for 'ol Ben Grimm.

Even though it won't happen, I'd love to see him come back as The Thing, even if the rest of the cast doesn't. Honestly, I think out of all of them, Alba's the one who looked the most out of place. Just a totally wrong casting there.
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I agree with you about Chiklis completely. he was perfect. Overall, The Thing and human Torch were pretty much the only good things out of those movies.

Other than that, the movies were fucking horrid.
 
Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

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I find it funny how the studio seems concerned about tying franchises... maybe they should've told Raimi not to kill Venom, if they were going to meddle anyway.
 
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JCM

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@Li3n;266597][quote=@Li3n said:
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Wow, they changed the pic on me in the worst way possible, didn't they...

This was the one i posted, but it was as big as the pic above:

[/QUOTE]"they changed the pic on me in the worst way possible... *looks at Jessica Alba pic*

Okay thats it, Li3n's gay.
 
@Li3n

@Li3n

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That site hates me... (it was a pic of polanski when i made that comment).


Wonder what it will be tomorrow...
 
@Li3n

@Li3n

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If it is expect to be mocked for confusing one for Jessica Alba...
 
Shannow

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It is going to be Black Cat and another villian.

Well, at least the Black Cat...Racheal McAdams starring?

http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/359359/spiderman_4_rachel_mcadams_for_the_black_cat.html

Here is the mania artice that got the leak:

http://www.mania.com/spiderman-4-villain-revealed_article_118760.html

While Lizard may not be it (seems not) the actor that portrayed Conners is back in this one (supposedly), so something along those lines may be done, though it is said Lizard will not be in it as the main villian, but who knows. It is said they are looking for a new actor for the male villian, so that should discount lizard as the main
 
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Qonas

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McAdams does not have the, errr, assets to play Black Cat. If she's hired it'll be as disappointing as Sienna Miller in the role of Baroness.

As for the choice of villain(ess), eh I guess it fits but I was rather hoping for a little less romance-baw from this one.
 
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Qonas

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Qonas said:
McAdams does not have the, errr, assets to play Black Cat. If she's hired it'll be as disappointing as Sienna Miller in the role of Baroness.
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Re-affirmed.
 
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Steven Soderburgin

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whoa i totally didn't see that there was a page six
 
Charlie Don't Surf

Charlie Don't Surf

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Qonas said:
McAdams does not have the, errr, assets to play Black Cat. If she's hired it'll be as disappointing as Sienna Miller in the role of Baroness.

As for the choice of villain(ess), eh I guess it fits but I was rather hoping for a little less romance-baw from this one.
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yes, god forbid they get a good actress that isn't built like a comic book 12-year old fantasy woman, some people don't treat every movie as softcore porn
 
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