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Spider-Man 4 swinging into theaters May 2011? No, Never. Raimi out, reboot time

Sep 16, 2009#1

The Lovely Boehner

Sorry for the pun.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118008683.html?categoryId=13&cs=1

Raimi, Maguire, and Dunst returning. Can't imagine it'd be worse than the last one!

Sep 16, 2009#2

Gusto

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I should hope not.

Sep 16, 2009#3

Hylian

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I certainly hope it's better than the last one

Sep 16, 2009#4

Dave

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Ugh. Why Dunst? She needs to be killed off in the first few minutes of the movie.

Sep 16, 2009#5

Gusto

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Dave said:
Ugh. Why Dunst? She needs to be killed off in the first few minutes of the movie.

Thus forcing Peter to go Super Saiyan 2, making for the best Spiderman movie ever.

Sep 16, 2009#6

Dave

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Actually the best part of that article was this:

The May date had previously been occupied by another superhero pic, Marvel Studios' planned launch of \"The First Avenger: Captain America,\" before it moved to July 22, 2011.

Marvel will also launch \"Thor\" that summer, on June 17.

Sep 16, 2009#7

Shegokigo

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I'll be downloading Spiderman. I'll be at opening day for Captain America and Thor.

Sep 16, 2009#8

Gusto

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Shegokigo said:
I'll be downloading Spiderman. I'll be at opening day for Captain America and Thor.

Yeah, these.

Sep 16, 2009#9

The Lovely Boehner

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I don't know why everyone thinks that they aren't capable of making an awesome Spider-Man 4. Raimi knows that 3 was shit, and they can't shoehorn Venom into two movies in a row.......can they?!

Sep 16, 2009#10

Shegokigo

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I'd actually like them to bring back Venom and "undo" the wrong.

Something like:

He survived the explosion but it completely destroyed what was left of Brock's sanity. He becomes the Venom we all know and grew to love and the entire film focuses on his ability to torture Spider-Man both in his day to day life and his superhero one. No 2-3 Villains. Just Venom.

Sep 16, 2009#11

Dave

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I'd watch that.

Sep 16, 2009#12

Gusto

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THE RHINO :Leyla:

Sep 16, 2009#13

Shegokigo

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Gusto said:
THE RHINO

No. :humph:

No more Sinister Six members either. Please.....

If they won't go with Venom, I'd at least prefer Kraven or Carnage. Maybe even Kingpin or Tombstone.

Sep 16, 2009#14

Gusto

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Kingpin could be good. Maybe toss a little Black Cat in there? I always thought that was a halfway decent little storyline.

Sep 16, 2009#15

Shegokigo

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Ooooh yes! Black Cat love triangle!

NSFW
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/3058/spider20man20and20black.jpg

Sep 16, 2009#16

The Lovely Boehner

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I'm all for a Venom-centric type movie, don't get me wrong. But it was super painfully obvious that in 3, Venom was just shoved in at the last-minute.

Sep 16, 2009#17

Covar

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Venom was a great character. Then his initial story was over, and he managed to stick around in spite of having nothing going for him.

Like Wally's Professor Zoom, fantastic villain until Rouge Wars ended. Then he just became another crazy wackjob, instead of a tragic sympathetic figure.

Sep 16, 2009#18

fade

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Don't forget...Raimi took a stand against Bronze and Modern Age villains. It's often been speculated that he threw the movie to protest the usage of Venom.

He obviously knows how to direct Spidey well. The last one smacks of studio intervention. Let's hope that lesson has been learned.

Also: Spider-Man rogue's gallery: http://www.samruby.com/villtoc.htm

Sep 16, 2009#19

Covar

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I would like to see the Lizard since Rami insists on making his villains reformable.

Or the Bruce Cambell as Mysterio idea that has been thrown around.

Sep 16, 2009#20

fade

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My vote goes to Kraven. Probably mixing up the Ultimate and 616 versions to get the reality tv aspect in there -- though not the corny werewolf bit.

Sep 16, 2009#21

Frankie Williamson

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Bruce Campbell as Mysterio is probably the single most awesome thing they could do with Spider-Man.

Sep 16, 2009#22

Hylian

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Shegokigo;256194][quote=Gusto said:
THE RHINO

No. :humph:

No more Sinister Six members either. Please.....

If they won't go with Venom, I'd at least prefer Kraven or Carnage. Maybe even Kingpin or Tombstone.[/QUOTE]

no love for the Vulture?

Sep 16, 2009#23

Shegokigo

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Absolutely none.

Sep 16, 2009#24

Hylian

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why not?

you don't like flying octogenarians?

Sep 16, 2009#25

Shegokigo

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Cause the Sinister Six was always a joke. With the exception of Doc Ock, who's already been done.

Sep 16, 2009#26

Hylian

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I was just joking. I wouldn't want to see the Vulture in the movie.

Sep 16, 2009#27

CynicismKills

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I still can't believe they've not used Lizard yet, since it always feels like they're setting him up in the movies. I don't know that he'd make a good main villain, though. I'd love to see 4 be as good as 2 was.

I wish they'd have done just Sandman in 3, I think he had enough of a story to fill the role GG and Ock did previously. I agree that it felt like someone force-fed Venom and Peter Parker with Disco Fever Action into the movie.

Also also, fuck yes Thor.

Sep 16, 2009#28

Chazwozel

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Dave said:
Ugh. Why Dunst? She needs to be killed off in the first few minutes of the movie.

Ah ol' Snaggletooth Dunst.

Sep 16, 2009#29

ThatNickGuy

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Cool, I can't wait, but...why is the numbering all screwed up? 2 was great and I remembering hearing abouat a 3 and then...there was this kind of blank spot in my memory.

Seriously, I mean, a live action version of Sandman? It would be off the hook! Maybe wrap up the story with the Osbornes after the great teaser at the end of 2. Just...you know, they'd have to make Spidey/Peter less whiny and cripes, no musical numbers, you know?

Still, I don't know. I'm iffy about another live action Spider-Man movie.

Nothing, in my opinion, will top Spectacular Spider-Man. It's the best rendition of Spidey in 20 years in ANY medium.

Sep 16, 2009#30

ElJuski

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You know, we could all whine about how shitty number 3 was, and that doesn't change anything about how 4 will be done. I'm not too excited about the franchise anymore, but I will be curious about the news that keeps coming out. If it sounds like it's another overstuffed, hokey feature, then I'll pass.

Right now all we have is Raimi and crew are still in. Obviously that means absolutely nothing except that Spidey 4 still has the potential and budget to not be a direct-to-dvd schlockfest.

Sep 16, 2009#31

Shegokigo

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You're totally right Juski, I mean just because Phantom Menace was ass didn't mean that..... oh shiiiiiii :Leyla:

Sep 16, 2009#32

Shegokigo

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Amorous Eyes said:
What's with the hate on Kirsten Dunst? I dun get it..

I think she looks cute.

Cause Mary Jane Watson was not meant to be cute, she was supposed to be a redheaded bombshell.

Sep 16, 2009#33

ElJuski

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Shegokigo said:
You're totally right Juski, I mean just because Phantom Menace was ass didn't mean that..... oh shiiiiiii

Hindsight is 20-20 vision, is what I'm saying.

Sep 16, 2009#34

Hailey Knight

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Shegokigo said:
You're totally right Juski, I mean just because Phantom Menace was ass didn't mean that..... oh shiiiiiii

Difference being that the original Star Wars trilogy more likely were good in spite of Lucas than because of him, whereas I think Sam Raimi has done a great job with Spider-man.

That said, when is he going to have time for the Warcraft movie?

Sep 16, 2009#35

Cajungal

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Amorous Eyes said:
What's with the hate on Kirsten Dunst? I dun get it..

I think she looks cute.

She's cute. It's her acting that bugs me. I don't think this role is for her at all.... and yes, what Shego said.

Dunst has a girl scout face.

Sep 16, 2009#36

Cat

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This should be interesting. If Raimi isn't allowed to make the movie the way he wants to he'll have to go even more over the top. Will Spider-Man 4 have Kraven fall for the Lizard and give up hunting to live out his dream of being in spider themed musicals?

Sep 16, 2009#37

fade

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Shegokigo;256761][quote=Amorous Eyes said:
What's with the hate on Kirsten Dunst? I dun get it..

I think she looks cute.

Cause Mary Jane Watson was not meant to be cute, she was supposed to be a redheaded bombshell.

[/QUOTE]

The funny thing is that with those head angles, their faces look very similar! They have almost identical cheeklines.

Sep 16, 2009#38

Shegokigo

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fade said:
The funny thing is that with those head angles, their faces look very similar! They have almost identical cheeklines.

Yeah, we're not talking about faces here. :rolleyes:

Sep 16, 2009#39

Adammon

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What drives me batty about #3 and the females is they took a blonde and made her a redhead (Dunst) and they took a redhead and made her a blonde (Howard).

I mean sure, Bryce isn't 'supermodel' material by any Hollywood definition, but Dunst? DUNST?

Sep 17, 2009#40

Soliloquy

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Shegokigo;256761][quote=Amorous Eyes said:
What's with the hate on Kirsten Dunst? I dun get it..

I think she looks cute.

Cause Mary Jane Watson was not meant to be cute, she was supposed to be a redheaded bombshell.

[/QUOTE]

Well, let's not forget that Spider-Man was supposed to be a wisecracking smartass, and they kind of dropped the ball on that one as well.

Sep 17, 2009#41

twitchmoss

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my interest in the thor movie increased greatly when i found out who was playing odin.

BRIAN BLESSED!

Sep 17, 2009#42

ElJuski

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I'll take it.

Sep 17, 2009#43

Shegokigo

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ElJuski said:
I'll take it.

Sexy picture? Sure.

Mary Jane Watson? Not even remotely, slightly, a ninth degree close.

Sep 17, 2009#44

fade

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One of the greats (can't remember who) said that the de-nerdification of Peter was one of the worst things that happened to the book. I'm guessing that Raimi probably felt the same. Slicked back hair and supermodel girlfriends take him pretty far from his roots -- even if that changeover happened really early on. I liked Dunst (if it isn't obvious) because she was a good merging of the old down-home Gwen and MJ. (Yeah I know Gwen went all supermodelly before long, too)

Sep 17, 2009#45

Shegokigo

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I don't think she was much of merger Fade, I think Dunst thought she WAS Gwen Stacy's character instead of Mary Jane. :bush:

Sep 17, 2009#46

Fun Size

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I think we're all missing what's important here. Did they get Bruce Campbell?

He was easily the highlight of part 3.

Sep 17, 2009#47

Shegokigo

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It's Sam Raimi. Yes, they have Bruce Campbell. :Leyla:

Sep 17, 2009#48

Fun Size

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Well then it'll be fine. Everyone needs to relax.

Sep 17, 2009#49

The Lovely Boehner

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I was gonna make a joke about Bruce Campbell just sitting around looking at his phone,hoping that Raimi makes another Spider-Man movie, but he's doing pretty well for himself with Burn Notice and its huge success.

Sep 17, 2009#50

CynicismKills

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I should hope Campbell is in it, he's the only person in the movies to actually beat Spiderman.

Sep 19, 2009#51

Iaculus

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Regarding villains, they could probably do fine with any of the rogue's gallery done Spectacular-style. In fact, despite Shego's objections, that series did pretty well with many of the Sinister Six crew. Shocker as a tough, competent mercenary? Yes please. And as for the big bads, well... Tombstone. 'Nuff said.

Sep 19, 2009#52

Shegokigo

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Iaculus said:
In fact, despite Shego's objections, that series did pretty well with many of the Sinister Six crew.

No. :humph: I also already mentioned that Kraven and Tombstone were ok. Otherwise, stay the fuck away from Sinister Six.

Sep 19, 2009#53

Iaculus

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Shegokigo;259634][quote=Iaculus said:
In fact, despite Shego's objections, that series did pretty well with many of the Sinister Six crew.

No. :humph:[/QUOTE]

OK, Electro was a bit of an idiot in that continuity, but he certainly got a better outfit.

Also, Vulture:

Maybe a bit too similar to the films' Green Goblin, though.

Sep 19, 2009#54

Shegokigo

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He's still a stupid as all hell character/storyline.

Sep 19, 2009#55

figmentPez

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Can we add Doppelgangers to the NO list?

I wouldn't mind Spider Slayers, if they stayed away from the existing character designs and just went with the basic concept of robots built to kill Spider-Man.

Sep 19, 2009#56

blotsfan

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I prefered Spider-Man 3 to 2...

Sep 19, 2009#57

Shegokigo

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blotsfan said:
I prefered Spider-Man 3 to 2...

It's ok Blots, we're not all born with taste in movies. Some just don't have it. No need to beat yourself up.

Sep 19, 2009#58

blotsfan

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I dunno, seeing Peter bitch and moan for 1:30 wasn't very interesting. At least dancing in the streets Peter was funny.

Sep 19, 2009#59

AshburnerX

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The only way the sinister 6 would work is as a group, but then you wouldn't be able to develop any of them as characters. It'd be kinda stupid.

Really, it's basically down to Mysterio, Kingpin (in which case I could see Shocker or somebody as a henchmen), or have him fight Spiderman's greatest enemy: Joe Quesada.

Sep 19, 2009#60

Cat

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blotsfan said:
At least dancing in the streets Peter was funny.

That's why it's so great that it's Raimi that had to make a bad Spider-Man movie.

Sep 19, 2009#61

Hailey Knight

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Doppleganger looks cool at least. Not sure I want another evil Spidey story right after three.

Sep 19, 2009#62

Shegokigo

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They wouldn't run out if they didn't pull a "Batman" and give him 3 villains per movie. :explode:

Sep 20, 2009#63

Iaculus

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To be honest, if they give him a decent costume rather than the quilted mankini shown here:

... Shocker could be a pretty good secondary villain - a hitman sent to take Spidey out on behalf of the crime bosses, for instance. His weaponry would certainly allow for some visually impressive scenes, especialy in the crowded New York streets where there are so very, very many breakable objects.

Sep 20, 2009#64

fade

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He would have to be secondary. He's rather stupid (I mean the character's actual intelligence). You would have to fanservice some quilting in somehow. Can I use fanservice as a verb? But, yeah, it would make for some nice FX.

Sep 20, 2009#65

Iaculus

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fade said:
He would have to be secondary. He's rather stupid (I mean the character's actual intelligence). You would have to fanservice some quilting in somehow. Can I use fanservice as a verb? But, yeah, it would make for some nice FX.

Oh, I don't object to the quilting per se - just the fact that the costume in the comics always reminds me horribly of this:

Intelligence is negotiable - Montana from TSSM, as mentioned, was fairly capable if easily annoyed. Even Herman Schultz wasn't a complete idiot - he designed the shock gauntlets himself, after all. Besides, I think the brute-force nature of his gear is suited better for an anti-super hitman than a thief.

Sep 20, 2009#66

Bubble181

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I have to agree Spidey doesn't have any good enemies left... Than again, I'm not really interested in another Spiderman movie, at all.

Sep 20, 2009#67

Kitty Sinatra

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Spidey should take on Al Qaeda. No supervillains of any sort, just terrorists doing villainous things.

Sep 20, 2009#68

figmentPez

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Gruebeard said:
Spidey should take on Al Qaeda. No supervillains of any sort, just terrorists doing villainous things.

Sep 20, 2009#69

fade

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Yeah, I thought about his designing the gauntlets when I posted that. But despite having some engineering know-how, the writers seem to display him as somewhat dim-witted.

Sep 20, 2009#70

Kitty Sinatra

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figmentPez;259833][quote=Gruebeard said:
Spidey should take on Al Qaeda. No supervillains of any sort, just terrorists doing villainous things.

And the political correctness will get that script edited so that it's Hydra as the terrorists, and it'll be a bunch of brainwashed guys running around in green and yellow jumpsuits mumbling to themselves, so as not to offend any ethnic or religious groups.[/QUOTE]

That could work quite well. Introduce a second hero, the Punisher would be perfect here, who is out to stop this Hydra and is more than willing to use lethal force against the brainwashed zombies. So Spidey must stop Hydra while simultaneously protecting the brainwashed from the Punisher. And of course, at this point the Punisher also begins to take on Spidey.

Sep 20, 2009#71

Kitty Sinatra

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Amorous Wench said:
Still, needs moar Black Cat.

How about a Black Cat movie?

*purrrrr*

Sep 20, 2009#72

figmentPez

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Amorous Wench said:
That could work. There have been some good Spidey/Punisher stories. And it would add the whole "is it ok to kill baddies or not" dilemma. partner and opponent at the same time.

Still, needs moar Black Cat.

LOL, as much as I agree that Black Cat does need to be in a Spider-Man movie, I couldn't help but think of the Maximum Carnage story-arc, and it's attempts to throw in as many heroes and villains as possible. The idea of the really good guys, struggling with the anti-heroes as they both try and put down the psychotic killers is very similar, but can you imagine that as a movie? It had too many characters for a comic book.

Still, Maximum Carnage did have some good plot elements that could be used for a Spider-Man vs HYDRA movie. The long term siege of the city, Spider-Man being conflicted about teaming up with someone willing to kill, having to choose between saving innocents and chasing the villains (especially when teamed with someone who cares more about vengeance than heroics), giving J.J. Jameson more ammo for Spider-bashing, etc.

There's a great part where Mary Jane gets sick of wondering if Peter is dead or alive, so she goes out to a night club to take her mind off of things (I thought that was much better than sitting around pining) and when the club is attacked by Carnage and his goons, Venom is the one that saves her. Make it HYDRA/terrorists attacking the club, and let Punisher save her, and it could work just as well.

Sep 20, 2009#73

bhamv3

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I could go for Carnage. Venom could come back and team up with either Spidey or Carnage. YOU DON'T KNOW WHO!

Sep 20, 2009#74

Gadzooks

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So Spiderman 4 comes out May 2011, So does Thor. Way to steal his thunder Spiderman......

www.instantrimshot.com

Sep 20, 2009#75

fade

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I don't want to see Carnage. He's the child of the xTREME!!1! period and the "serial killers are cool" period. That's hard to pull off without it becoming silly.

Sep 20, 2009#76

Iaculus

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fade said:
Yeah, I thought about his designing the gauntlets when I posted that. But despite having some engineering know-how, the writers seem to display him as somewhat dim-witted.

Sep 20, 2009#77

Bowielee

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I really wouldn't mind seeing

I think it would be great incorporating his origins, with JJJ creating him to battle spiderman.

Sep 20, 2009#78

Shegokigo

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fade said:
I don't want to see Carnage. He's the child of the xTREME!!1! period and the "serial killers are cool" period. That's hard to pull off without it becoming silly.

And yet so satisfying when done right.

Sep 20, 2009#79

Espy

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I'll see it. Raimi has earned enough nerd love for me to give that much to him.

Sep 20, 2009#80

ElJuski

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Yeah, I could definitely see Carnage working. I can also see it working absolutely miserably.

Sep 20, 2009#81

Espy

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I wouldn't be against the REAL Venom storyline. It would work very well.

Sep 20, 2009#82

ThatNickGuy

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Oh, please. Carnage looks like a hemophiliac's attempt at forming a scab.

Sep 20, 2009#83

Bowielee

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ThatNickGuy said:
Oh, please. Carnage looks like a hemophiliac's attempt at forming a scab.

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/273218

Sep 21, 2009#84

ThatNickGuy

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Yep, that's where I got it from.

And it's damn true.

Sep 21, 2009#85

fade

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To be honest, I didn't think any of the symbiotes would look good on screen. They draw nicely, but they're doomed to look like either a rubber Halloween mask or a fake CGI mess on screen. I'm not sure how you would fix that either. If you did it in CGI, it might pay to make the tendrils matte. Or dirty up the shiny so that it doesn't stand out so much.

I was just thinking, too, off topic--I don't know if it's been said, but I wonder if the uncanny valley is some sort of adapted camouflage detection.

Sep 21, 2009#86

Shegokigo

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If they managed to make the "Doc Ock" look good on screen, it shouldn't be impossible for Venom/Carnage.

Sep 21, 2009#87

fade

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True. I've just not been impressed with CGI work on more organic or tar-like substances. It's always too shiny and perfect. They could get rid of the fangs, for instance. Or make them more Carnage/Ultron like. McFarlane's Venom didn't even have them. Or diverge from the comic like they did with Ock or Green Goblin's mask and suit.

Sep 21, 2009#88

ThatNickGuy

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Same here, especially during his big speech to Spidey, trying to convince him to team up.

You don't take a great actor like DaFoe and make him bob his head around like a Power Ranger.

Sep 21, 2009#89

Bowielee

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fade said:
True. I've just not been impressed with CGI work on more organic or tar-like substances. It's always too shiny and perfect. They could get rid of the fangs, for instance. Or make them more Carnage/Ultron like. McFarlane's Venom didn't even have them. Or diverge from the comic like they did with Ock or Green Goblin's mask and suit.

Um, Here's the very first appearence of venom.

Those sure look like fangs to me. It was Eric Larson who added the insanely impossible tongue, though.

For the record, I actually liked the look of Venom in the movie, it was just the shitty story and acting tied to him that I had a problem with.

Sep 21, 2009#90

fade

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No, they're squared off in that very picture. McFarlane has actually talked at length about this. In fact, Wikipedia has a whole section on it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venom_(comics)#Change_in_appearance

(also, I must say, I find few things as attack-ish as beginning a post with "Um.." or "Uh..")

---------- Post added at 07:05 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:03 PM ----------

Down at the bottom appears to be uncolored gums, because the separation line between the teeth is a lot higher. You can see it on the right.

Sep 21, 2009#91

Shegokigo

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That wiki Fade, showed me the most AMAZING freakin bit of info ever.

In the alternate future of the Earth X limited series, beginning with issue one, May "Mayday" Parker, Peter Parker's daughter, merges with the Venom symbiote after the death of her mother Mary Jane Watson; however, May can completely control and communicate with the symbiote.

I have GOT to have those issues! Anyone know the exact title name/number these came out in or was it just called "Earth X" and "issue 1"?

Sep 21, 2009#92

ThatNickGuy

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It's kind of a 3-part epic (Earth X, Universe X, Paradise X), but Earth X is self contained enough that you can enjoy it on its own. Earth X is all collected into a one-volume trade.

Sep 21, 2009#93

CynicismKills

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ThatNickGuy said:
It's kind of a 3-part epic (Earth X, Universe X, Paradise X), but Earth X is self contained enough that you can enjoy it on its own. Earth X is all collected into a one-volume trade.

This. I own Earth X and it's awesome. The other two are very good as well, though I don't have them myself (read them at a bookstore). I really recommend checking them all out.

Sep 21, 2009#94

ThatNickGuy

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I used to own Universe and Paradise X, but honestly, I thought they were ridiculously overcomplicated, using way too much Marvel trivia that I got a headache from it. Seriously, I felt like I needed a flowchart just to follow along.

Sep 21, 2009#95

drawn_inward

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Covar said:
I would like to see the Lizard since Rami insists on making his villains reformable.

Or the Bruce Cambell as Mysterio idea that has been thrown around.

Sep 21, 2009#96

Cajungal

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drawn_inward said:
MOAR Campbell!! Please no more whiney PP. No more Kirsten Dunst, and no more crying.

Indeed.

Sep 21, 2009#97

Bowielee

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ThatNickGuy said:
I used to own Universe and Paradise X, but honestly, I thought they were ridiculously overcomplicated, using way too much Marvel trivia that I got a headache from it. Seriously, I felt like I needed a flowchart just to follow along.

No more so that the DCU and Kingdom Come. Which the marvel X books were an answer to.

Sep 21, 2009#98

ThatNickGuy

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Ehhh, I'd have to disagree on that. I know a large number of casual fans that have read Kingdom Come and loved it. The book focuses on Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, etc. All the big mainstays, but it doesn't bog down with TOO many plots of DC continuity. Most of the secondary characters are new to the book (Magog, for example) or mostly used in the background. In fact, there are a LOT of little visual references that comic book afficiados would catch or appreciate.

Earth X, however, seems to try doing too much, a lot of times. No explanation on who The Skull is, and then you have everything invovling Galactus and the Celestials. It's still a great book, don't get me wrong, but there's a lot more continuity involved in the story that a more hardcore fan would know and follow the story better. It's been a long time since I read it, let along owned it (sold them all ages ago) and the taint of confusion from Universe/Paradise X may have weakened my original love for Earth X.

Sep 22, 2009#99

@Li3n

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Bah, the Skull needed no further explanation... and the Celestials could easily be explained in one page as space gods that modified humans in the far past resulting in super-powers and mutants existing today... but of course to truly appreciate Earth X knowing continuity is necessary, but it worked just fine with what i read on wikipedia.

Sep 22, 2009#100

JCM

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drawn_inward;260669][quote=Covar said:
I would like to see the Lizard since Rami insists on making his villains reformable.

Or the Bruce Cambell as Mysterio idea that has been thrown around.

Sep 22, 2009#101

The Lovely Boehner

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Spider-Man 2 is still the best superhero movie, TDK and Watchmen each had some pretty glaring problems.

Sep 22, 2009#102

JCM

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True, but I was talking about overall reviews, and best movie lists, not my personal opinion.

Otherwise the Hellboy flicks would be number 1, followed by Spidey 2.

Sep 22, 2009#103

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JCM;260761][quote=drawn_inward;260669][quote=Covar said:
I would like to see the Lizard since Rami insists on making his villains reformable.

Or the Bruce Cambell as Mysterio idea that has been thrown around.

This. Completely this.

I liked the Sandman. I just wish 3 was a bit better. Although, I don't quite get the hate for 3. It was about as good as the rest of them, which isn't much of a complement.

MOAR Campbell!! Please no more whiney PP. No more Kirsten Dunst, and no more crying.[/QUOTE]The hate for Spidey 3 is that it was a great Sandman movie, but a terrible Venom movie.

Reimi was forced by the studios to put in Venom, and it shows. And lets not forget that in ever review, Spiderman 2 is noted as the best Superhero movie lately (but after the Dark Kinght and Watchmen, it'll have to be the third best)[/QUOTE]

Not to mention none of the actors seemed to want to be there. Macguire roboted through his lines. The out of place Gwen Stacy subplot? The uncomfortable Harry Osborn stuff?

Oh.

And the cheesy, cheesy, cheesy, black suit possession stuff. The dance scene?!? Come on! That alone practically negates any good the rest of the movie did.

None of this stuff was in 1 or 2.

Sep 22, 2009#104

The Lovely Boehner

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Spidey 2 and Dark Knight are both 94% on Rotten Tomatoes, Watchmen is a mixed reaction at best, and 64%

Sep 22, 2009#105

Gusto

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CHRISTIAN BALE BATMAN VOICE

Sep 22, 2009#106

JCM

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Charlie Dont Surf said:
Spidey 2 and Dark Knight are both 94% on Rotten Tomatoes, Watchmen is a mixed reaction at best, and 64%

I shouldve specified the Director's cut. Point to Charlie.

Sep 22, 2009#107

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I must confess. I still prefer 1 to 2. The first just captures the essence of Spider-Man so much better than 2 does. It may also be my comic nerdiness, but I love how source-accurate 1 is. Down to dialogue.

Sep 22, 2009#108

The Lovely Boehner

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A Director's cut making a long, indulgent movie into an even LONGER and MORE indulgent movie? Well blow me down, that makes it the best of all time!

Sep 22, 2009#109

JCM

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Charlie Dont Surf said:
A Director's cut making a long, indulgent movie into an even LONGER and MORE indulgent movie? Well blow me down, that makes it the best of all time!

Of couuurse it is... we all know that is all what a director's cut is about, and all that crap about a movie being too long for the cinema/studio vs director decisions and censorsship are just myths.

A good Director's cut can give you a whole new movie the way the director wanted it (Superman 2's Donner cut which is very different), end the story the way its supposed to end instead of what the studio decided (Blade Runner's ending that was supposed to show that Ford was a replicant) or show the adaptation without key scenes that were deleted due to censorship or too much runtime (Wachmen with the death of the original Nite Owl, Dr Manhattan sending everyone off then picking up his stuff, for example).

A movie isnt just in the hand of the director, because as everyone who watched Spidey 3 can see, all it takes is for one Studio executive to have an idiotic idea, like lets say "hey, Venom's cool, put him in!" or "Lets make a happy ending for I am Legend and ignore what the story was about" and we get a shittier movie.... its a pity we wont see Raimi's director cut of Spiderman 3, with Venom cut out.

If that was sarcastic, lol, if not, Charlie, my suggestion, start buying dvds, compare a few director's cuts and returning here with that wisdom gained.:uhhuh:

Sep 22, 2009#110

The Lovely Boehner

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I haven't seen the Watchmen's director's cut, but I'm alright making assumptions since Zack Snyder is just completely terrible at being a director.

Does it cut out the laughable sex scene? Or the terrible slow-mo in every single action sequence? Can the director's cut fix Malin Ackerman's performance?

What I'm saying is that if the director is good, director's cuts can be huge improvements. If that director is Zack Snyder, then well um.

Sep 22, 2009#111

Covar

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Charlie Dont Surf said:
I haven't seen the Watchmen's director's cut, but I'm alright making assumptions since Zack Snyder is just completely terrible at being a director.

Does it cut out the laughable sex scene? Or the terrible slow-mo in every single action sequence? Can the director's cut fix Malin Ackerman's performance?

What I'm saying is that if the director is good, director's cuts can be huge improvements. If that director is Zack Snyder, then well um.

I bet it tries to tell you the point of the story even more. :rolleyes:

The Watchmen movie was good until they got to issue 3 of the comic. Then the changes came around, and Snyder got lazy with trying to adapt the comic faithfully.

High point of that movie was the casting. Sam and Dean's dad made an excellent Comedian.

Sep 22, 2009#112

Shegokigo

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Covar said:
I bet it tries to tell you the point of the story even more. The Watchmen movie was good until they got to issue 3 of the comic. Then the changes came around, and Snyder got lazy with trying to adapt the comic faithfully.

High point of that movie was the casting. Sam and Dean's dad made an excellent Comedian.

What drives me nuts is that so many people are calling Watchmen a "near faithful" when the ENTIRE character of Laurie was gutted. She was a major MAJOR part of the comic storyline, the ENTIRE Comedian/Laurie issue was just completely removed. Leaving her just a "face to fuck and kick bad guy ass for one scene". It was easily what killed the movie for me.

Sep 22, 2009#113

Covar

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Shegokigo;260845][quote=Covar said:
I bet it tries to tell you the point of the story even more. The Watchmen movie was good until they got to issue 3 of the comic. Then the changes came around, and Snyder got lazy with trying to adapt the comic faithfully.

High point of that movie was the casting. Sam and Dean's dad made an excellent Comedian.

Sep 22, 2009#114

Shannow

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I am cautiously optimistic for this. The studio tacked on a whole buch of shit that Rami didnt even want in 3, and thats why it ended up the shit ball it was. I hold a wait and see on this one.

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Amorous Wench said:
What about... The Anti-Venom!

Or Punisher-Venom. <.<

Actually, the Anti-Venom stories have been pretty decent, even giving a bit more flesh to Brock's character. I thought they were going to be shit, but I was pleasantly surprised.

Sep 22, 2009#115

JCM

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Charlie Dont Surf said:
I haven't seen the Watchmen's director's cut, but I'm alright making assumptions since Zack Snyder is just completely terrible at being a director.

Does it cut out the laughable sex scene? Or the terrible slow-mo in every single action sequence? Can the director's cut fix Malin Ackerman's performance?

What I'm saying is that if the director is good, director's cuts can be huge improvements. If that director is Zack Snyder, then well um.

Its slightly better, however Snyder puts a shitty scene in the Comedian´s apartment in which Rorschach fights some cops and miraculously disappears after getting shot in point-blank range, while in the comic (and theatrical release) he simply grabs a picture of the first heroes, then fades to the same picture in the Nite Owl´s house.

Sep 22, 2009#116

Bowielee

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@Li3n said:
Bah, the Skull needed no further explanation... and the Celestials could easily be explained in one page as space gods that modified humans in the far past resulting in super-powers and mutants existing today... but of course to truly appreciate Earth X knowing continuity is necessary, but it worked just fine with what i read on wikipedia.

Which again, could be said about Kindom Come. To fully appreciate the full story, it helps to know the history of the universe, but it's not absolutely necessary to the story. Both of them however, do require at least a passing knowledge of the main characters. For instance, if you don't know who the Spectre is (which a casual reader would not know) much of the framing story is lost.

Also: Re the spiderman movies. I hope we never see another symbiote again in movie form unless they reboot the series in the future. For good or for bad, the Symbiote story is done and I'd prefer that they move on to other villains.

Especially Carnage. He's not a good enough character to deserve a part in a movie.

Sep 22, 2009#117

ThatNickGuy

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Bowielee said:
Which again, could be said about Kindom Come. To fully appreciate the full story, it helps to know the history of the universe, but it's not absolutely necessary to the story. Both of them however, do require at least a passing knowledge of the main characters. For instance, if you don't know who the Spectre is (which a casual reader would not know) much of the framing story is lost.

THAT'S true. I didn't consider The Spectre in my comparison. Although, you do get to know bits and pieces of him throughout the story, kind of like a mystery while the narrator finds out about him, you know?

You have to admit, though, Kingdom Come can be read without a trip to wikipedia, while Earth X might be a bit more necessary, as Li3n pointed out.

Sep 22, 2009#118

Shegokigo

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Bowielee said:
I'd prefer that they move on to other villains.

That's just it, like WHO?

I disagree with you on the Carnage part. Parker has yet to deal with someone truly psychotic and has a pure love for murder/evil.

ThatNickGuy said:
You have to admit, though, Kingdom Come can be read without a trip to wikipedia, while Earth X might be a bit more necessary, as Li3n pointed out.

This concerns me, I have been out of the comic continuity loop for many years...

Sep 22, 2009#119

Shannow

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Bowielee said:
Also: Re the spiderman movies. I hope we never see another symbiote again in movie form unless they reboot the series in the future. For good or for bad, the Symbiote story is done and I'd prefer that they move on to other villains.

Especially Carnage. He's not a good enough character to deserve a part in a movie.

This, most definitely.

Sep 22, 2009#120

Bowielee

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Shegokigo;260910][quote=Bowielee said:
I'd prefer that they move on to other villains.

That's just it, like WHO?

I disagree with you on the Carnage part. Parker has yet to deal with someone truly psychotic and has a pure love for murder/evil.

ThatNickGuy said:
You have to admit, though, Kingdom Come can be read without a trip to wikipedia, while Earth X might be a bit more necessary, as Li3n pointed out.

This concerns me, I have been out of the comic continuity loop for many years...[/QUOTE]

Kraven would be awsome and very easy to fit into a movie universe without coming off as retarded, he's also a twofer because they could bring the Chameleon along as well.

Silver Sable and the Kingpin would work well in the same movie. I'd actually support Michael Clark Duncan reprising his role.

Morbius would also be a good choice. I could see that working well in film.

Electro would also be a great movie villain. Of course they wouldnt give him the retarded headgear, but the character itself is sound.

The Lizard has already been set up with Dr Connors being in the previous movies.

Mysterio is another good choice.

Just because you chose the most retarded iteration of the Sinister Six doesn't mean the original lineup wouldn't all make great choices for villains.

This is the original lineup of the Sinister Six

With the exception of the Vulture, all of these characters have and can work in movie form.

Carnage is boring and uninteresting, and above all redundant with Venom already being done. If you think Rami hates Venom, how do you think he'd feel about including his (literally) bastard son into the movieverse. Sorry, but Carnage is a one trick pony and only succeded as a character in the first place was due to the time period in which he was introduced, when everything was EXTREME!!!!111!!!!!!!!11!!!

Sep 22, 2009#121

Shannow

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Bowielee;260399][quote=fade said:
True. I've just not been impressed with CGI work on more organic or tar-like substances. It's always too shiny and perfect. They could get rid of the fangs, for instance. Or make them more Carnage/Ultron like. McFarlane's Venom didn't even have them. Or diverge from the comic like they did with Ock or Green Goblin's mask and suit.

Um, Here's the very first appearence of venom.

Bowielee said:
Kraven would be awsome and very easy to fit into a movie universe without coming off as retarded, he's also a twofer because they could bring the Chameleon along as well.

Silver Sable and the Kingpin would work well in the same movie. I'd actually support Michael Clark Duncan reprising his role.

Morbius would also be a good choice. I could see that working well in film.

Electro would also be a great movie villain. Of course they wouldnt give him the retarded headgear, but the character itself is sound.

The Lizard has already been set up with Dr Connors being in the previous movies.

Mysterio is another good choice.

Just because you chose the most retarded iteration of the Sinister Six doesn't mean the original lineup wouldn't all make great choices for villains.

Carnage is boring and uninteresting, and above all redundant with Venom already being done. If you think Rami hates Venom, how do you think he'd feel about including his (literally) bastard son into the movieverse. Sorry, but Carnage is a one trick pony and only succeded as a character in the first place was due to the time period in which he was introduced, when everything was EXTREME!!!!111!!!!!!!!11!!!

pretty much everything said in this post is true, and I agree with. Do not get me wrong, I did like carnage when i was younger, but really, he is not much of a character. The most recent things with him were an attempt at interesting and some further characterization, but throghout its history, most things with him have just not been that good at all. One trick pony indeed.

Sep 22, 2009#122

Shegokigo

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Bowielee said:
Kraven would be awsome and very easy to fit into a movie universe without coming off as retarded

Already gave him mention and a thumbsup.

Bowielee said:
Silver Sable and the Kingpin would work well in the same movie. I'd actually support Michael Clark Duncan reprising his role.

See above.

Bowielee said:
Morbius would also be a good choice. I could see that working well in film.

Except we'd need a Blade cross-over, and noone wants that.

Bowielee said:
Electro would also be a great movie villain. Of course they wouldnt give him the retarded headgear, but the character itself is sound.

Gonna disagree with you on every level here.

Bowielee said:
The Lizard has already been set up with Dr Connors being in the previous movies.

This is probably one of the few that would actually work, but in my opinion a very boring villain.

Bowielee said:
Mysterio is another good choice.

Maybe, but most likely pulled off very poorly.

Bowielee said:
Just because you chose the most retarded iteration of the Sinister Six doesn't mean the original lineup wouldn't all make great choices for villains.

Except I made mention of the only good Six group members that have come along that haven't already been in the films. The rest are trash.

Bowielee said:
Carnage is boring and uninteresting, and above all redundant with Venom already being done. If you think Rami hates Venom, how do you think he'd feel about including his (literally) bastard son into the movieverse. Sorry, but Carnage is a one trick pony and only succeded as a character in the first place was due to the time period in which he was introduced, when everything was EXTREME!!!!111!!!!!!!!11!!!

Except, that again: Carnage was pure insanity, evil and remoseless killer. I think Spidey needs to go up against that to really test his "I won't kill, I'll give him to the cops" morals.

Sep 22, 2009#123

Bowielee

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Why the hell would we need a Blade crossover for Morbius... this comment leads me to believe that you only know the character from the cartoon, where they made him horrible.

Sep 22, 2009#124

Shegokigo

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Bowielee said:
Why the hell would we need a Blade crossover for Morbius... this comment leads me to believe that you only know the character from the cartoon, where they made him horrible.

it was a joke. I hadn't considered Morbius in the conversation to be honest.

Sep 22, 2009#125

Bowielee

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The point being. There are better villains than Carnage to introduce. He is overall a terrible, one dimensional character.

I think Maximum Carnage is right up there with the Clone Saga and One More Day as far as bad Spiderman stories go.

Sep 22, 2009#126

Shegokigo

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Problem is Bowie, noone really pushed Spidey's morals like Carnage. Venom frightened him for the threatning of his family/couldn't sense him or beat him straight up.

Kraven just wanted to hunt him. Green Goblin fucked him up psychologically with the Gwen Stacy thing but otherwise nada. The rest were usually goons doing thugish things.

Sep 22, 2009#127

Bowielee

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Shego, really, that isn't something that NEEDS to be explored in a Spiderman movie. Especially given the family friendly tone they are going for. I know you love your remorseless killing machines, but it is flat out a bad idea for the franchise and definately shouldn't see celluloid.

As far as the comics go, The Sin Eater pushed Spidey's morals more than Carnage did, hell, even Black Cat pushed them more (but in a different way). Spidey's reaction to carnage was more of a feeling of impotence than anything else, seeing as the killings were random and the only way he could track Carnage was through the use of Venom's symbiote.

I'd say that the Sin Eater accomplished the same thing as Carnage did without being a shameless cash in on an existing character that was super popular.

Sep 22, 2009#128

Shegokigo

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Bowielee said:
Spidey's reaction to carnage was more of a feeling of impotence than anything else, seeing as the killings were random and the only way he could track Carnage was through the use of Venom's symbiote.

That would be a fanastic set-up for Spidey 4-5 actually! Trying to stop Carnage all throughout 4, with maybe a secondary villain he does actually stop. Then towards the end, Venom reappears and offers his assistance with all the reason they used in the comic series! Part 5, Venom + Spidey vs Carnage all out! :drool:

Ok now I'm just fantasizing. You're right through, Fox is going "kid friendly" for these and it wouldn't happen or be done right. :devil:

Sep 22, 2009#129

ThatNickGuy

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Shegokigo said:
Except, that again: Carnage was pure insanity, evil and remoseless killer. I think Spidey needs to go up against that to really test his "I won't kill, I'll give him to the cops" morals.

Sep 22, 2009#130

Bowielee

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ThatNickGuy;260978][quote=Shegokigo said:
Except, that again: Carnage was pure insanity, evil and remoseless killer. I think Spidey needs to go up against that to really test his "I won't kill, I'll give him to the cops" morals.

Which would be fine...

...but he didn't hand either Goblin or Doc Ock over to the police. Or Sandman. Or Venom. Or Harry. In the movie universe, much like most of the Bat-movies, none of the villains get locked up. They get killed off.[/QUOTE]

Neither sandman or Eddie Brock were killed off, and Norman Osborne dying was pretty much panel for panel from the comic....

Before they retconned that motherfucker....GARFDSGFASEGFAEGAEGFAGAGEe NERDRAGE!

Sep 22, 2009#131

Shannow

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no,, Carnage would still be a terrible character for these movies. They are right, there are much better avenues to go with, and I really do not see them going the carnage route (dear god I hope)

And yes, Carnage still is a terrible character and Bowie had it right.

Sep 22, 2009#132

figmentPez

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Shegokigo;260951][quote=Bowielee said:
The Lizard has already been set up with Dr Connors being in the previous movies.

This is probably one of the few that would actually work, but in my opinion a very boring villain.[/quote]

What if you combine the Lizard and Kraven, a la Spider-Man: Torment? I think it could possibly provide for this...

Except, that again: Carnage was pure insanity, evil and remoseless killer. I think Spidey needs to go up against that to really test his "I won't kill, I'll give him to the cops" morals.

but without having to have Carnage. For those not familiar with the Torment story arc, in a nutshell Calypso drugged the Lizard into a completley mindless killing machine, removing all trace of Dr. Connnors, and set him on Spider-Man (and coated his claws with poison to make Spidey hallucinate).

In the comics Kraven was dead at that point (suicide?) but I think it would be even more interesting if he were still alive. Start off with the Lizard, and Spider-Man fighting to save Dr. Connors, and managing to do it because the man is still inside the beast somwhere. Kraven is watching the whole time, and thinks he can take Spider-Man down. He fails and then turns to Calypso for help. She gives Kraven the potions that make him stronger, and also sets up a trap with the Lizard to weaken Spider-Man. Spidey is then faced with a Lizard that only knows hatred and killing, with man inside to help control the beast, and is faced with a kill or be killed situation.

Normally I'd be completely against putting two villains in the same movie but, like you said, the Lizard isn't that interesting a plot by himself. I think the combination of Lizard and Kraven leads to some interesting contrasts. Both are men turning into animals, but Dr. Connors is trying to avoid that, while Kraven is being willingly driven further into madness by Calypso.

Granted, the whole "kill or be killed" is not exactly the same issue as Carnage getting out repeatedly and Peter being worried that not even the cops can contain the serial killer, but it'd be hard to get a sense of Carnage's inevitable escape across in a single movie. I think it's a pretty good test of Peter's morals facing not only his own death, but his knowledge that the Lizard may kill countless others if he fails. It does loose a little that the Lizard is a former friend, and not a psychopath who can't be redeemed. It'd be hard to play up the whole idea that Dr. Connors is lost and only the Lizard remains, given how many times he and other charcters have been completely lost and redeemed anyway.

Sep 22, 2009#133

Enresshou

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Iaculus;259961][quote=fade said:
Yeah, I thought about his designing the gauntlets when I posted that. But despite having some engineering know-how, the writers seem to display him as somewhat dim-witted.

Indeed, but I'd say there's still some leeway for a smart Shocker, even if he isn't evil mastermind material by any stretch of imagination. Not as if the movies have been slavishly devoted to comic characterisation, after all.[/QUOTE]

I agree with this. They did manage to make him a fairly threatening villain (even if it was simply out of desperation) in one of the later issues of Ultimate Spider-Man (#122, I think). Maybe play up the Ultimate continuity of 'brilliant inventor who loses his mind and starts striking back at the company who stole everything from him', with the owner of said corporation being the Kingpin and a potential match-up between him and Spider-Man later on.

That said, Shocker wouldn't work well as much but a secondary villain.

Sep 22, 2009#134

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The whole relentless killer bit...eh, I'm tired of it. It's a one-trick pony. Okay, we get it. You have no compunction against killing and in fact you take great glee in it. Whoop-de-doo. Letting go is easy, so it makes for a flat villain. Give me a guy with conflicts and issues. That's way more interesting.

Sep 22, 2009#135

Shannow

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fade said:
The whole relentless killer bit...eh, I'm tired of it. It's a one-trick pony. Okay, we get it. You have no compunction against killing and in fact you take great glee in it. Whoop-de-doo. Letting go is easy, so it makes for a flat villain. Give me a guy with conflicts and issues. That's way more interesting.

Though the counter is "I dont want a whiney villian, lamenting about everything, and too conflicted!!!" etc.

personally, I would love a Lizard storyline, or Mysterio, or Electro, or shit, most of what was said already. There is jsut so damn much to work with still.

Sep 22, 2009#136

Hailey Knight

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Lizard, Kraven, and Calypso? We're going for another Spidey 3. It's too much for one movie's background worth.

Maybe go the Dark Knight route at some point, and stop killing villains between movies.

Sep 22, 2009#137

drawn_inward

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I don't want another damn origin movie. Fuck the general audience if they don't know the villains backstory. Just start the movie kicking ass and end the movie kicking ass. I don't want to see a moving narrative and a villain we can relate to.

I also don't want to see Spidey beat to shit, and then trick the bad guy in the end, again. Come up with something more original.

Sep 22, 2009#138

figmentPez

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escushion said:
Lizard, Kraven, and Calypso? We're going for another Spidey 3. It's too much for one movie's background worth.

The Lizard needs like 5 minutes backstory, it could all happen during the opening credits. We don't need to know anything except that Peter knows Dr. Connors, who is a scientist, and that science went horribly wrong. We don't need to know how Pete and Kurt met, we don't need to know how an arm was lost, we don't need to know he's been working on this formula for years, we just need to know it's a scientist who turned into a beast.

As for Kraven and Calypso, I think they're a matched pair. Calypso can just be a generic VooDoo woman if they don't want to develop her character. Heck, she can just be implied in Kraven's origin and not even cast. However, I think they work much better as a couple, with Kraven's obsession with hunting being driven to madness by her evil.

I'm not suggesting a movie with 3 villains. I'm suggesting a movie with one villain in two people, and a tool that villain is using.

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drawn_inward said:
I also don't want to see Spidey beat to shit, and then trick the bad guy in the end, again. Come up with something more original.

Wait, wut? I thought that was the basic premise behind all Spider-Man stories.

Sep 22, 2009#139

ThatNickGuy

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Bowielee said:
Which would be fine...

...but he didn't hand either Goblin or Doc Ock over to the police. Or Sandman. Or Venom. Or Harry. In the movie universe, much like most of the Bat-movies, none of the villains get locked up. They get killed off.

Neither sandman or Eddie Brock were killed off, and Norman Osborne dying was pretty much panel for panel from the comic....

Before they retconned that motherfucker....GARFDSGFASEGFAEGAEGFAGAGEe NERDRAGE![/QUOTE]

Eddie went and got himself blowed up.

My point is, to argue against Shego's, that there has not been a single "bringing the villains in to justice" moment in any of the Spidey movies.

Sep 22, 2009#140

Bowielee

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ThatNickGuy;261343][quote=Bowielee said:
Which would be fine...

...but he didn't hand either Goblin or Doc Ock over to the police. Or Sandman. Or Venom. Or Harry. In the movie universe, much like most of the Bat-movies, none of the villains get locked up. They get killed off.

Sep 23, 2009#141

@Li3n

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Shoehorning Venom at the end was so stupid... they should have saved him for the next film... which would end with Eddie going off to do some jail time, where he also get some counselling, where he meets Cletus Cassidy, setting up the Venom spin-off (Eddie/Venom feeling guilty about creating him would make Carnege's one trick pony thing work).

Sep 23, 2009#142

Shawn

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@Li3n said:
Shoehorning Venom at the end was so stupid... they should have saved him for the next film... which would end with Eddie going off to do some jail time, where he also get some counselling, where he meets Cletus Cassidy, setting up the Venom spin-off (Eddie/Venom feeling guilty about creating him would make Carnege's one trick pony thing work).

I have yet to see very few Super Hero films that don't end in the death of the villain at the end. The Chris Nolan Batman films are the only ones that have managed this with great success.

Sep 23, 2009#143

@Li3n

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Sandman was alive at the end of Spidey 3 as i recall.

Also, people would be more accepting of it if Venom was just a creepy stalker but not a murderer (of innocent people at least). And they could always go with the uncertain death angle and show he survived and is in police custody in the spin off...

Sep 23, 2009#144

Shawn

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@Li3n said:
Sandman was alive at the end of Spidey 3 as i recall.

Also, people would be more accepting of it if Venom was just a creepy stalker but not a murderer (of innocent people at least). And they could always go with the uncertain death angle and show he survived and is in police custody in the spin off...

Sep 23, 2009#145

The Lovely Boehner

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Shawnacy said:
I have yet to see very few Super Hero films that don't end in the death of the villain at the end. The Chris Nolan Batman films are the only ones that have managed this with great success.

Every X-men movie. Fantastic Four movies.

Sep 23, 2009#146

Shawn

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Charlie Dont Surf;261463][quote=Shawnacy said:
I have yet to see very few Super Hero films that don't end in the death of the villain at the end. The Chris Nolan Batman films are the only ones that have managed this with great success.

Every X-men movie. Fantastic Four movies.[/QUOTE]
True. But I think X-men 2 was the only one of those that turned out to be a good movie.
And then X-men 3 made up for it by killing everyone off.

And the Fantastic 4 movies have only had one badguy between the two films anyway.
And a cloud...

Sep 23, 2009#147

Shannow

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lets not bring up the F4 movies.

Sep 23, 2009#148

The Lovely Boehner

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I never said they were good or anything, just that they didn't kill Dr. Doom

Sep 23, 2009#149

bhamv3

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They tried.

And in the second movie the cloud was apparently killed off by its herald.

I was thinking the next Spider-Man movie could go for a more cerebral villain, like the Kingpin. Peter Parker's supposed to be one of the smartest people alive, right? Yet we've never seen him out-think an opponent. We get he can swing around and shoot webbing pretty good, but where's the brains to go with the brawn? It'd be cool to see Peter do more detective work and track down the baddie, and then beat him up.

Sep 23, 2009#150

figmentPez

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Shawnacy said:
The movie's ending however leads me to ask a very vital question when understanding villain's motives. If you are all about ultimate revenge, why are you leaving the hero's woman alive when he comes for her? I say kill the bitch and hang her body up where you want the hero to go. Not only will the hero most definitely come, but he's going to be so rage stricken that he's going to likely make a big mistake during the fight. And even if he doesn't and even if you lose, you can lose happy because you know you've already destroyed him mentally.

Well, in Venom's case it's because he doesn't hate Mary Jane. He hates Peter Parker / Spider-Man and views Mary Jane as a victim. Or at least that's how I remember it from the comics. I can't remember how Venom acted towards Mary Jane in the movie.

Sep 23, 2009#151

JCM

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Thats pretty much it... venom never attacked MJ, and just wanted revenge against Parker.

Mind you, thats the original Venom, not the bRaAiInNssSss Gene-Simmons-tongued Venom of the Larsen years.

bhamv3 said:
They tried.

And in the second movie the cloud was apparently killed off by its herald.

I was thinking the next Spider-Man movie could go for a more cerebral villain, like the Kingpin. Peter Parker's supposed to be one of the smartest people alive, right? Yet we've never seen him out-think an opponent. We get he can swing around and shoot webbing pretty good, but where's the brains to go with the brawn? It'd be cool to see Peter do more detective work and track down the baddie, and then beat him up.

He has already appeared in the TV Hulk movie, and the Daredevil movie.

Sep 23, 2009#152

Shannow

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There is already talk of another FF movie, a reset though, since the others were so abysmal.

Sep 23, 2009#153

Shegokigo

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A complete recasting would be nice too.

Sep 23, 2009#154

The Lovely Boehner

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Shannow said:
There is already talk of another FF movie, a reset though, since the others were so abysmal.

I didn't think they were that abysmal, just more that they skewed a little younger than the other superhero movies. I loved Julian McMahon as Victor Doom, Evans as Torch, and Chiklis as Thing. It was a shame the Storm couple were just completely devoid of any charisma or talent or chemistry.

Sep 23, 2009#155

Shannow

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No, they were terrible.

Sep 23, 2009#156

ThatNickGuy

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I liked the FF movies. They were short, fun and didn't wear out their welcome. Plus, Chiklis was the PERFECT casting for 'ol Ben Grimm.

Even though it won't happen, I'd love to see him come back as The Thing, even if the rest of the cast doesn't. Honestly, I think out of all of them, Alba's the one who looked the most out of place. Just a totally wrong casting there.

Sep 24, 2009#157

CynicismKills

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I liked Chiklis as The Thing.

That's about it, though.

Sep 24, 2009#158

@Li3n

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Shawnacy;261451][quote=@Li3n said:
Sandman was alive at the end of Spidey 3 as i recall.

Also, people would be more accepting of it if Venom was just a creepy stalker but not a murderer (of innocent people at least). And they could always go with the uncertain death angle and show he survived and is in police custody in the spin off...

You know how that movie could have been improved?
Venom attacks the moment he becomes Venom. I mean Spider-man/Peter Parker is right there. Venom is all about rage and violence right? Why go seek out Sandman and come up with this elaborate plot to get Spider-man to come to his doom when all he has to do is jump up the bell tower and rip apart Spidey. That would have been a far superior fight scene. After he deals with Venom, he can go on and take down Sandman.

The movie's ending however leads me to ask a very vital question when understanding villain's motives. If you are all about ultimate revenge, why are you leaving the hero's woman alive when he comes for her? I say kill the bitch and hang her body up where you want the hero to go. Not only will the hero most definitely come, but he's going to be so rage stricken that he's going to likely make a big mistake during the fight. And even if he doesn't and even if you lose, you can lose happy because you know you've already destroyed him mentally.[/QUOTE]

Mindless Venom was always stupid... a self-delusional Eddie Brock (this is the one thing Spidey 3 got right) bonded to an alien symbiot that's a bit like a scorned lover (in the comics Spidey defeated Venom by offering himself back to the symbiot) is way better.... no need to make Eddie a murderer either.

Sep 24, 2009#159

Bowielee

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@Li3n;262160][quote=Shawnacy;261451][quote=@Li3n said:
Sandman was alive at the end of Spidey 3 as i recall.

Also, people would be more accepting of it if Venom was just a creepy stalker but not a murderer (of innocent people at least). And they could always go with the uncertain death angle and show he survived and is in police custody in the spin off...

Sep 24, 2009#160

Shannow

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ThatNickGuy said:
I liked the FF movies. They were short, fun and didn't wear out their welcome. Plus, Chiklis was the PERFECT casting for 'ol Ben Grimm.

Even though it won't happen, I'd love to see him come back as The Thing, even if the rest of the cast doesn't. Honestly, I think out of all of them, Alba's the one who looked the most out of place. Just a totally wrong casting there.

I agree with you about Chiklis completely. he was perfect. Overall, The Thing and human Torch were pretty much the only good things out of those movies.

Other than that, the movies were fucking horrid.

Sep 28, 2009#161

@Li3n

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Oh man, there is a Venom movie in the works: http://scifiwire.com/2009/09/venom-movie-takes-the-nex.php

And one with a better pic:

Sep 30, 2009#162

Hailey Knight

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I find it funny how the studio seems concerned about tying franchises... maybe they should've told Raimi not to kill Venom, if they were going to meddle anyway.

Oct 1, 2009#163

@Li3n

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@Li3n said:

Wow, they changed the pic on me in the worst way possible, didn't they...

This was the one i posted, but it was as big as the pic above:

Oct 1, 2009#164

JCM

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@Li3n;266597][quote=@Li3n said:

Wow, they changed the pic on me in the worst way possible, didn't they...

This was the one i posted, but it was as big as the pic above:

[/QUOTE]"they changed the pic on me in the worst way possible... *looks at Jessica Alba pic*

Okay thats it, Li3n's gay.

Oct 1, 2009#165

@Li3n

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That site hates me... (it was a pic of polanski when i made that comment).

Wonder what it will be tomorrow...

Oct 1, 2009#166

JCM

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Probably a penis

Oct 1, 2009#167

@Li3n

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If it is expect to be mocked for confusing one for Jessica Alba...

Nov 10, 2009#168

Shannow

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It is going to be Black Cat and another villian.

Well, at least the Black Cat...Racheal McAdams starring?

http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/359359/spiderman_4_rachel_mcadams_for_the_black_cat.html

Here is the mania artice that got the leak:

http://www.mania.com/spiderman-4-villain-revealed_article_118760.html

While Lizard may not be it (seems not) the actor that portrayed Conners is back in this one (supposedly), so something along those lines may be done, though it is said Lizard will not be in it as the main villian, but who knows. It is said they are looking for a new actor for the male villian, so that should discount lizard as the main

Nov 10, 2009#169

Math242

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hmm but Kirsten Dunst is hot !

Nov 10, 2009#170

Qonas

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McAdams does not have the, errr, assets to play Black Cat. If she's hired it'll be as disappointing as Sienna Miller in the role of Baroness.

As for the choice of villain(ess), eh I guess it fits but I was rather hoping for a little less romance-baw from this one.

Nov 10, 2009#171

Steven Soderburgin

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There is a rumor going around that Rachel McAdams has been cast as Black Cat. I thought that's why this thread had been bumped.

http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/11/09/rumor-rachel-mcadams-as-black-cat-in-spider-man-4/

Nov 10, 2009#172

Qonas

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Qonas said:
McAdams does not have the, errr, assets to play Black Cat. If she's hired it'll be as disappointing as Sienna Miller in the role of Baroness.

Re-affirmed.

Nov 10, 2009#173

Steven Soderburgin

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whoa i totally didn't see that there was a page six

Nov 10, 2009#174

@Li3n

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JCM;266646][quote=@Li3n;266597][quote=@Li3n said:

Wow, they changed the pic on me in the worst way possible, didn't they...

This was the one i posted, but it was as big as the pic above:

[/quote]"they changed the pic on me in the worst way possible... *looks at Jessica Alba pic*

Okay thats it, Li3n's gay.[/QUOTE]

Man, Jessica Alba sure has changed...

Nov 10, 2009#175

The Lovely Boehner

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Qonas said:
McAdams does not have the, errr, assets to play Black Cat. If she's hired it'll be as disappointing as Sienna Miller in the role of Baroness.

As for the choice of villain(ess), eh I guess it fits but I was rather hoping for a little less romance-baw from this one.

yes, god forbid they get a good actress that isn't built like a comic book 12-year old fantasy woman, some people don't treat every movie as softcore porn

Nov 10, 2009#176

Shannow

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Charlie Dont Surf;295514][quote=Qonas said:
McAdams does not have the, errr, assets to play Black Cat. If she's hired it'll be as disappointing as Sienna Miller in the role of Baroness.

As for the choice of villain(ess), eh I guess it fits but I was rather hoping for a little less romance-baw from this one.

Nov 10, 2009#177

Jay

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If Bruce Campbell gets cast as Mysterio.... I will have tears of joy.

Nov 10, 2009#178

Qonas

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^ This times a thousand.

Shannow;295524][quote=Charlie Dont Surf;295514][quote=Qonas said:
McAdams does not have the, errr, assets to play Black Cat. If she's hired it'll be as disappointing as Sienna Miller in the role of Baroness.

As for the choice of villain(ess), eh I guess it fits but I was rather hoping for a little less romance-baw from this one.

yes, god forbid they get a good actress that isn't built like a comic book 12-year old fantasy woman, some people don't treat every movie as softcore porn[/QUOTE]

Pretty much this. I am looking forward to seeing Black Cat in the movie, as the love interest/angle she had with Parker was great and would work well in a movie.

And Quonas...did you read the post or article? They are still casting for the male villian role, so it is not just the cat.[/QUOTE]

Charlie, you realize you're preaching to the guy disgusted at all the revelations of teenage sex in the high school thread, right?

I'm not asking for Rob Liefield balloons here. And there are certainly svelte superheroines. Black Cat, however, isn't one of them and McAdams doesn't have that look. It would also be good to hire a more healthy actress for Black Cat because, quite frankly, the worship of the toothpick-size female is a bad thing.

Yeah I see they're casting another villain, but you know that guy's going to end up on the wrong side of a Spidey-Black Cat team-up. I'm sure it'll all be fine, I'm just saying I'd rather not have to sit through more Parker romance angst.

Nov 10, 2009#179

Shannow

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Kissinger said:
There is a rumor going around that Rachel McAdams has been cast as Black Cat. I thought that's why this thread had been bumped.

http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/11/09/rumor-rachel-mcadams-as-black-cat-in-spider-man-4/

Kissinger said:
whoa i totally didn't see that there was a page six

hahahahahahahahaha, sure, post without reading the bump itself!

Nov 10, 2009#180

Steven Soderburgin

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I'ma be totally honest, I don't read like 90% of posts here.

Nov 10, 2009#181

Shannow

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We can tell.

Nov 10, 2009#182

Covar

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yea, if they're going to have Miss Crazy-Slut Hardy in the movie, they really need to hire an actress with some really nice curves.

Nov 10, 2009#183

Espy

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HEY WILL THERE BE DRAMA BETWEEN PETER AND MARY JANE?

Coooool. They haven't really gone there.

Nov 10, 2009#184

Adammon

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Espy said:
HEY WILL THERE BE DRAMA BETWEEN PETER AND MARY JANE?

Coooool. They haven't really gone there.

If he hits her again, they have my $10.

Nov 10, 2009#185

drawn_inward

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Espy said:
HEY WILL THERE BE DRAMA BETWEEN PETER AND MARY JANE?

Coooool. They haven't really gone there.

And, can we get Spiderman to cry in this one? I would really like to show the emotional side of Spiderman.

Nov 10, 2009#186

The Lovely Boehner

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Rachel McAdams is fine as fuck, I dunno what ya'lls problem is

Nov 10, 2009#187

Steven Soderburgin

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Charlie Dont Surf said:
Rachel McAdams is fine as fuck, I dunno what ya'lls problem is

You don't?

Nov 10, 2009#188

Adammon

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I prefer Rachel Weisz personally. She would have made a good replacement Katie Holmes and Maggie Gyllenhaal.

Nov 10, 2009#189

Alex B.

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Charlie Dont Surf said:
Rachel McAdams is fine as fuck, I dunno what ya'lls problem is

Agreed. Put her in a skin-tight leather suit with some magic super-bra and she'll look fantastic.

Nov 10, 2009#190

Zappit

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Raimi could get ordered to capitalize on the vampire craze and get stuck using Morpheus or Morlun.

Nov 11, 2009#191

@Li3n

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Morbius... Morpheus is the dream guy.

Nov 11, 2009#192

Shannow

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Hahahahahahahahaha.

Nov 11, 2009#193

Bowielee

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I think I'm the only one who didn't hate the Morlun storyline.

Nov 11, 2009#194

@Li3n

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I don't know, haven't read it... but the synopsis sounded stupid. And hand stingers? Isn't Wolverine in enough books?

Nov 11, 2009#195

Covar

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Bowielee said:
I think I'm the only one who didn't hate the Morlun storyline.

I hated The Other.

The early JMS stuff wasn't bad. People always forget about the "Correlation != Causality" part that Dr Strange tells Peter.

Nov 11, 2009#196

Bowielee

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Covar;296622][quote=Bowielee said:
I think I'm the only one who didn't hate the Morlun storyline.

I hated The Other.

The early JMS stuff wasn't bad. People always forget about the "Correlation != Causality" part that Dr Strange tells Peter.[/QUOTE]

I never actually read The Other. But the I liked the whole animal totem thing, seeing as it is true that most of Spider-man's villains are animal or insect/arachnid based.

Dec 8, 2009#197

The Lovely Boehner

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http://www.movieline.com/2009/12/ex...cling-john-malkovich-anne-hathaway.php?page=1

The highlights:

Malkovich as "The Vulture"
Hathaway as "The Vulturess"

Looks good

Dec 8, 2009#198

Shegokigo

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The Highlights:

More villains than Batman Forever!

Dec 8, 2009#199

The Lovely Boehner

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Shegokigo said:
The Highlights:

More villains than Batman Forever!

2 = 2 ?

Dec 8, 2009#200

Shegokigo

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The rumor mill so far has Venom returning, Carnage, Lizard, Vulture, Vultress, Kraven, Mysterio, and Shocker.

Some have had "almost confirmed" actors attributed as well.

Dec 8, 2009#201

The Lovely Boehner

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I think this is a little bit more legit than all the eddie murphy as the riddler nonsense

Dec 8, 2009#202

Shegokigo

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Yeah, and Will Smith is totally going to be Captain America.

Dec 8, 2009#203

The Lovely Boehner

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Shegokigo said:
Yeah, and Will Smith is totally going to be Captain America.

that would actually be awesome

Dec 8, 2009#204

Shegokigo

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Oh yeah, and Triple-H would be Thor.

Dec 8, 2009#205

Espy

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Charlie Dont Surf said:
Malkovich as "The Vulture"
Hathaway as "The Vulturess"

Looks good

Really? I have... crazy faith in Raimi but... The Vulture is 5 kinds of dumb and taking the Black Cat and turning her into the Vulturess?

I sure hope he knows what he's doing. It's sounding more Batman Forever than I would like...
But I will trust him until I see it. Raimi usually knows what he's doing.

Dec 8, 2009#206

Adammon

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Espy said:
Raimi usually knows what he's doing.

Dec 8, 2009#207

Espy

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Adammon;311631][quote=Espy said:
Raimi usually knows what he's doing.

Dec 8, 2009#208

Frankie Williamson

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Then he goes and throws Vultress in.

What the fuck man?

Dec 8, 2009#209

Adammon

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Espy;311646][quote=Adammon;311631][quote=Espy said:
Raimi usually knows what he's doing.

Except for the Spider-man franchise, in which apparently he plays second fiddle to executives and not creative types. As good as Spider-man 2 was, he really fucked the pooch on Spider-man 3, and Spider-man 4 isn't looking so great either.[/QUOTE]

Eh, I think he wanted SP3 to suck so the executives would see that they need to let him control things.[/QUOTE]

Even some of his directorial choices were just terrible, leaving aside issues such as shoe-horning in villains and adding another potential love interest. He's allowed a misfire, and this was definitely it.

Dec 8, 2009#210

Null

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I won't be seeing it. I haven't seen 3. I stopped watching 2. One was pretty decent.

Dec 8, 2009#211

Bowielee

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Lying Bastard said:
I won't be seeing it. I haven't seen 3. I stopped watching 2. One was pretty decent.

Sacrilege. Spiderman 2 is up there on my lists of best superhero movies of all times.

Dec 8, 2009#212

Espy

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Bowielee;311699][quote=Lying Bastard said:
I won't be seeing it. I haven't seen 3. I stopped watching 2. One was pretty decent.

Sacrilege. Spiderman 2 is up there on my lists of best superhero movies of all times.[/QUOTE]

Agreed.

Dec 8, 2009#213

Null

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If I wanted to use your list, I'd become you, and neither of us want that. Honestly, I thought Spiderman 2 was boring for 40 minutes, mildly interesting for about 10 minutes, then WTF for the next 20 minutes, at which point I turned it off.

Dec 8, 2009#214

fade

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See, I never understood what makes people think 2 is better than 1. I liked 2, but Peter's character just took a hard turn down emo street that I wasn't a huge fan of. 1 had the excitement of becoming a superhero. That's hard to beat in my book. 1 felt like a bigger world, too, while 2 focused down on some tiny slice of life.

Dec 8, 2009#215

Shannow

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Shegokigo said:
Oh yeah, and Triple-H would be Thor.

i was really hoping for that.

Dec 8, 2009#216

Hailey Knight

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Charlie Dont Surf;311590][quote=Shegokigo said:
Yeah, and Will Smith is totally going to be Captain America.

that would actually be awesome

[/QUOTE]

Agreed. I would've enjoyed that, done right.

Dec 8, 2009#217

Shegokigo

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No and No. :humph:

Dec 8, 2009#218

Null

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Shegokigo said:
No and No. :humph:

What are "Things Sheki doesn't want to hear on a date with Dave's daughter." I'll take Sniglets for $800, Alex.

Dec 8, 2009#219

Shegokigo

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No means yes, so I don't see why that would bother me.

Dec 8, 2009#220

Null

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Shegokigo said:
No means yes, so I don't see why that would bother me.

Now I feel like I'm back in scout camp.

Dec 8, 2009#221

The Lovely Boehner

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Shegokigo said:
No means yes, so I don't see why that would bother me.

raping 16 year olds is pretty awesome - shegokigo, you don't mess with the shego

Dec 8, 2009#222

wana10

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i think this thread needs some of this...

Dec 8, 2009#223

Null

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That's pretty good.

Dec 8, 2009#224

Shegokigo

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I loves me some Mary Jane, my backround is STILL the one David photoshopped for me of Mary Jane and me.

Dec 8, 2009#225

fade

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It looks like some heavy photoshop was involved in that page, too. I should start doing pages like that.

Dec 8, 2009#226

Hailey Knight

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That is really fucking funny

Jan 11, 2010#227

The Lovely Boehner

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http://www.deadline.com/hollywood/u...-raimi-and-cast-out-franchise-reboot-planned/

DISREGARD EVERYTHING I JUST SAID

who's ready for tha re-boot?

Jan 11, 2010#228

Dave

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Charlie Dont Surf said:
http://www.deadline.com/hollywood/u...-raimi-and-cast-out-franchise-reboot-planned/

DISREGARD EVERYTHING I JUST SAID

who's ready for tha re-boot?

That's fucking stupid.

Jan 11, 2010#229

Shegokigo

*grabs her nails, hammer and coffin*

Jan 11, 2010#230

Frankie Williamson

It'll be alright if by reboot they don't mean "LET'S DO ANOTHER SPUDER-Meeen ORIGIN STORY!" If that is the case, fuck that wildly.

Jan 11, 2010#231

Dave

Frankie said:
It'll be alright if by reboot they don't mean "LET'S DO ANOTHER SPUDER-Meeen ORIGIN STORY!" If that is the case, fuck that wildly.

I read it as exactly that. Rebooting from scratch. Because nobody knows he's bitten by a spider or that Uncle Ben dies. *yawn*

Personally I think it's WAY too soon for a reboot. If Sam fricking Raimi tells you it needs more time, by al means give the damned thing more time! Rushing it to meet an arbitrary date put into place by suits is insane.

Jan 11, 2010#232

The Lovely Boehner

Shegokigo said:
*grabs her nails, hammer and coffin*

Jan 11, 2010#233

Shegokigo

I'm grateful to hear this news.

The Spider-Man movie franchise will die, Marvel will buy it back from Sony and make it right again. Raimi can finally work on World of Warcraft and all will be right with the world.

Jan 11, 2010#234

Frankie Williamson

Sony will never release the deathgrip they have on X-Men or Spider-Man.

Jan 11, 2010#235

Shegokigo

They will when this reboot bombs.

Jan 11, 2010#236

Silver Jelly

I wish the new director does a shot by shot remake of Spider-man 1. I think that would be an awesome joke.

And he'd never direct a film again.

Jan 11, 2010#237

Espy

Well. Huh. I have very mixed feelings on this. I think I'm cool with it. Let Raimi do other stuff.

Jan 11, 2010#238

The Lovely Boehner

Shegokigo said:
I'm grateful to hear this news.

The Spider-Man movie franchise will die, Marvel will buy it back from Sony and make it right again. Raimi can finally work on World of Warcraft and all will be right with the world.

this will happen...

in clown land

Jan 11, 2010#239

Calleja

We can't be sure how bad or good the reboot will be until we know who's behind it. So I'll just ignore that nagging feeling in the back of my head until then.

Jan 11, 2010#240

Chippy

Charlie Dont Surf said:
in clown land

That sounds like a p. chill place.

Jan 11, 2010#241

The Lovely Boehner

Good or not, there is no way a movie titled "Spider-Man" with Sony's backing will gross under $200m or be unsuccessful enough to ruin the franchise.

Jan 11, 2010#242

Shegokigo

Charlie Dont Surf said:
Good or not, there is no way a movie titled "Spider-Man" with Sony's backing will gross under $200m or be unsuccessful enough to ruin the franchise.

You're right, I forgot that Transformers 2 was a huge blockbuster hit. I forgot for a minute that the movie going public were massively retarded.

Jan 11, 2010#243

JCM

Shegokigo;327540][QUOTE=Charlie Dont Surf said:
Good or not, there is no way a movie titled "Spider-Man" with Sony's backing will gross under $200m or be unsuccessful enough to ruin the franchise.

You're right, I forgot that Transformers 2 was a huge blockbuster hit. I forgot for a minute that the movie going public were massively retarded.[/QUOTE]sad but true.

Jan 11, 2010#244

Bowielee

That's what people thought about Batman and Robin, but people did wise up in that case.

Jan 11, 2010#245

V.Bond

http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/01/11/spider-man-reboot-already-written-will-be-gritty-contemporary-ta ke/

We don’t know much about what that script entails, other than it will feature a younger teenage Peter Parker. EW calls the script “gritty, contemporary” and references Batman Begins, seemingly not only in the sense that Christopher Nolan reinvented Batman on film, but in the sense of tone.

Oh Sony.....

Jan 11, 2010#246

Frankie Williamson

How about they not use the villains that were already touched on already.

Jan 11, 2010#247

Bowielee

Well, if they're going the "gritty" direction, maybe Shego will get her wish about Carnage. Course, they'll probably turn him into a regular serial killer who paints his face.

Jan 11, 2010#248

bhamv3

Grittier?

I was hoping the new Spidey would be as mouthy and quippy as the comic version, but I guess that won't happen now.

Jan 12, 2010#249

CynicismKills

bhamv3 said:
Grittier?

I was hoping the new Spidey would be as mouthy and quippy as the comic version, but I guess that won't happen now.

Spidey without quips isn't Spidey. Carnage would be hard to set up right off the bat also, even the Ultimate version needs Venom and Gwen Stacy set up first.

Jan 12, 2010#250

Frankie Williamson

Carnage is also terrible. Even Marvel themselves couldn't stand him.

Jan 12, 2010#251

WolfOfOdin

If they have to make this, I say go with Scorpion. I could see him being either an army experiment gone horrifically wrong or, as in the comics, J.J's attempt at 'manufacturing' a spider-man for himself. Of course, I'd want to see Scorpion as a person fused into a horrific, nightmarish powered armor/exoskeleton, with flesh stretched over a robotic skull in a permanent rictus of insane rage, pain and hate

Jan 12, 2010#252

Frankie Williamson

As long as it isn't Ultimate Scorpion, which was one of many "RE-IMAGININGS!" that I absolutely hated.

Jan 12, 2010#253

WolfOfOdin

No no, I want Mac Gargan, dirt-bag PI who will do anything for a buck as Scorpion. I just want him to go on an obscene rampage. I want to see him impaling cars with his tail and chucking them at Spidey, or melting civilians with acid. I want to see a villain who's bat-shit crazy

Jan 12, 2010#254

Frankie Williamson

Do you know who's a better Venom than Eddie Brock ever was? Mac Gargan. Damn he's rad.

Otherwise known as, I couldn't agree more with you sir.

Jan 12, 2010#255

WolfOfOdin

I'm on the fence with Scorpo-Venom. They're trying to make him a little too "RAWRRAWRKILLKILL" for my liking. I liked the original characterization, where the Symbiont was clearly the dominate mind in the picture, and Mac was stark fucking terrified of it.

Jan 12, 2010#256

wana10

so the new movie starts with maguire and dunst in a room with peter fonda...

Jan 12, 2010#257

V.Bond

wana10 said:
so the new movie starts with maguire and dunst in a room with peter fonda...

Don't you bring that evil in here.

Jan 12, 2010#258

Frankie Williamson

WolfOfOdin said:
I'm on the fence with Scorpo-Venom. They're trying to make him a little too "RAWRRAWRKILLKILL" for my liking. I liked the original characterization, where the Symbiont was clearly the dominate mind in the picture, and Mac was stark fucking terrified of it.

Yeah, I haven't read a lot of comics in a couple of years. I didn't know they had changed that.

Jan 12, 2010#259

fade

Bleh. Gritty totally violates the spirit of Spider-Man. It can be dark, but not gritty.

Also, I liked carnage. He was just totally sick.

Jan 12, 2010#260

sixpackshaker

Gritty eh? Sounds like they are bringing back Sandman.

Jan 12, 2010#261

ElJuski

wait wait can we get back to the clown land discussion?

Jan 12, 2010#262

fade

http://instantrimshot.com/

Jan 12, 2010#263

ElJuski

I totally ruined the timing of that rimshot

Jan 12, 2010#264

The Lovely Boehner

Spider-Man with quips can still be gritty, I'd imagine. If the quips are more black humor or something I guess. I'm not gonna bury this movie until I see it. I love Spider-Man, and don't mind seeing it go in different directions.

Jan 12, 2010#265

Espy

Charlie Dont Surf said:
Spider-Man with quips can still be gritty, I'd imagine. If the quips are more black humor or something I guess. I'm not gonna bury this movie until I see it. I love Spider-Man, and don't mind seeing it go in different directions.

Let the record of Clown Court show that I agree with the above statement your honor.

Jan 12, 2010#266

Shannow

link seemed down, here is Sony's press release for those who didnt see it (this is from chud):

UPDATED AGAIN: Here's Sony's press release. Teenaged Spidey all over again. We're sure to get the origin again, especially since they're going to want to connect Spider-Man tightly with Venom. Fuckers. And it will, of course, be 3D.

Culver City, CA (January 11, 2010) -- Peter Parker is going back to high school when the next Spider-Man hits theaters in the summer of 2012. Columbia Pictures and Marvel Studios announced today they are moving forward with a film based on a script by James Vanderbilt that focuses on a teenager grappling with both contemporary human problems and amazing super-human crises.

The new chapter in the Spider-Man franchise produced by Columbia, Marvel Studios and Avi Arad and Laura Ziskin, will have a new cast and filmmaking team. Spider-Man 4 was to have been released in 2011, but had not yet gone into production.

“A decade ago we set out on this journey with Sam Raimi and Tobey Maguire and together we made three Spider-Man films that set a new bar for the genre. When we began, no one ever imagined that we would make history at the box-office and now we have a rare opportunity to make history once again with this franchise. Peter Parker as an ordinary young adult grappling with extraordinary powers has always been the foundation that has made this character so timeless and compelling for generations of fans. We’re very excited about the creative possibilities that come from returning to Peter's roots and we look forward to working once again with Marvel Studios, Avi Arad and Laura Ziskin on this new beginning,” said Amy Pascal, co-chairman of Sony Pictures Entertainment.

“Working on the Spider-Man movies was the experience of a lifetime for me. While we were looking forward to doing a fourth one together, the studio and Marvel have a unique opportunity to take the franchise in a new direction, and I know they will do a terrific job,” said Sam Raimi.

“We have had a once-in-a-lifetime collaboration and friendship with Sam and Tobey and they have given us their best for the better part of the last decade.This is a bittersweet moment for us because while it is hard to imagine Spider-Man in anyone else’s hands, I know that this was a day that was inevitable,” said Matt Tolmach, president of Columbia Pictures, who has served as the studio’s chief production executive since the beginning of the franchise. “Now everything begins anew, and that’s got us all tremendously excited about what comes next. Under the continuing supervision of Avi and Laura, we have a clear vision for the future of Spider-Man and can’t wait to share this exciting new direction with audiences in 2012.”

"Spider-Man will always be an important franchise for Sony Pictures and a fresh start like this is a responsibility that we all take very seriously," said Michael Lynton, Chairman and CEO of Sony Pictures. "We have always believed that story comes first and story guides the direction of these films and as we move onto the next chapter, we will stay true to that principle and will do so with the highest respect for the source material and the fans and moviegoers who deserve nothing but the best when it comes to bringing these stories and characters to life on the big screen."

The studio will have more news about Spider-Man in 2012 in the coming weeks as it prepares for production of the film.

Jan 12, 2010#267

sixpackshaker

I do not like the idea of starting from scratch at this point. Just proceed like SM3 did not happen, at least the Symbiote story line. And then do a good job with the Symbiote story. If anything needs to be changed in the back story just do a quick flashback.

Jan 12, 2010#268

The Lovely Boehner

They didn't mention 3D at all in the press release. Where is CHUD getting that little snipe from? Or are they just assuming?

Jan 12, 2010#269

Shannow

Charlie Dont Surf said:
They didn't mention 3D at all in the press release. Where is CHUD getting that little snipe from? Or are they just assuming?

jsut assuming, it looks l;ike. her eis the full page, which was updated again via whats on Sony's twitter feed. Same thigns that have already been posted ehre previously though.

http://chud.com/articles/articles/2...-REBOOTED-HOLY-SHIT-UPDATES-COMING/Page1.html

Jan 12, 2010#270

Seraphyn

What, no time travel or alternate universe?

In any case, I'll probably end up seeing it anyway, but a reboot so soon seems silly to me.

Jan 12, 2010#271

Wyrminarrd

I'd like to see a combination of Rhino and Kraven. Have Rhino be the starting villain who Kraven has come to New York to hunt but when Spider-Man defeats Rhino it leads to Kraven shifting his target.

Jan 12, 2010#272

Dave

Wyrminarrd said:
I'd like to see a combination of Rhino and Kraven. Have Rhino be the starting villain who Kraven has come to New York to hunt but when Spider-Man defeats Rhino it leads to Kraven shifting his target.

I could get behind that. You like Kraven like Amazing Spider-Man or Ultimate Spider-Man where he's a reality show fraud until Spidey beats his ass down?

Jan 12, 2010#273

@Li3n

If half the film is Kraven going after Spidey he'd need to be the real deal, wouldn't he.

Plus, UKraven only worked once as a joke, all appearances after sucked.

Jan 12, 2010#274

Wyrminarrd

Dave;327756][QUOTE=Wyrminarrd said:
I'd like to see a combination of Rhino and Kraven. Have Rhino be the starting villain who Kraven has come to New York to hunt but when Spider-Man defeats Rhino it leads to Kraven shifting his target.

I could get behind that. You like Kraven like Amazing Spider-Man or Ultimate Spider-Man where he's a reality show fraud until Spidey beats his ass down?[/QUOTE]

I prefer the Amazing Spider-Man version, the reality show angle just wouldn't work in a big movie.

Jan 12, 2010#275

sixpackshaker

OK, on a side note. What the hell was up with Kraven becoming half cat in the new cartoon series?

Jan 12, 2010#276

Bowielee

sixpackshaker said:
OK, on a side note. What the hell was up with Kraven becoming half cat in the new cartoon series?

Yeah, I thought that was pretty retarded.

Jan 12, 2010#277

Covar

Charlie Dont Surf said:
Spider-Man with quips can still be gritty, I'd imagine. If the quips are more black humor or something I guess. I'm not gonna bury this movie until I see it. I love Spider-Man, and don't mind seeing it go in different directions.

That's called Deadpool.

Jan 12, 2010#278

Shegokigo

Shhh, don't talk to Charlie about comic books, he can barely keep movies straight in his head.

Jan 12, 2010#279

The Lovely Boehner

Shegokigo said:
Shhh, don't talk to Charlie about comic books, he can barely keep movies straight in his head.

what

Jan 12, 2010#280

Calleja

Arghhh...not another origin movie, please! Do it like the Hulk reboot, show us the "origin" in the intro credits and then just get on with it.

The Hulk reboot is the only reason I'm not really THAT worried about this, but that press release didn't help at all.

Jan 12, 2010#281

filmfanatic

Bowielee;327802][QUOTE=sixpackshaker said:
OK, on a side note. What the hell was up with Kraven becoming half cat in the new cartoon series?

Yeah, I thought that was pretty retarded.[/QUOTE]
That came from the Ultimate Universe. After he was exposed as a fraud after getting beat down by Spider-Man, he turned to genetic manipulation to increase his own abilities.

Jan 12, 2010#282

Bowielee

Calleja said:
Arghhh...not another origin movie, please! Do it like the Hulk reboot, show us the "origin" in the intro credits and then just get on with it.

The Hulk reboot is the only reason I'm not really THAT worried about this, but that press release didn't help at all.

The problem is that the Hulk reboot was actually produced by Marvel, Spider-man is still in the hands of Sony, movie rights-wise.

If they were able to steamroll over Rami for the craptacular Venom stuff in SM3, I have a feeling they're going to grind these new writers into paste until the story is just terrible.

Jan 12, 2010#283

Calleja

Fuck Sony. Fuck NBC.

I'm very disillusioned with Hollywood today.

Jan 12, 2010#284

Wyrminarrd

Calleja said:
Arghhh...not another origin movie, please! Do it like the Hulk reboot, show us the "origin" in the intro credits and then just get on with it.

The Hulk reboot is the only reason I'm not really THAT worried about this, but that press release didn't help at all.

I was thinking the exact same thing, the way that they simply showed highlights of the Hulk being created in "The Incredible Hulk" should be used as a model for the Spider-Man reboot. I have no interest in seeing the origin story being retold, especially since it was done perfectly in the first one.

Jan 12, 2010#285

Calleja

We may get mechanical web-shooters this time... hmm

Jan 12, 2010#286

filmfanatic

Calleja said:
We may get mechanical web-shooters this time... hmm

I've been thinking about the web-shooter thing and what about a happy medium between organic and mechanical? To clarify, I mean like he receives the organic webbing from the bite, but he invents the shooters to guide and control it properly.

Jan 12, 2010#287

Shannow

Organic webshooters worked fine for the big screen.

Jan 12, 2010#288

filmfanatic

Shannow said:
Organic webshooters worked fine for the big screen.

Yeah, organic does work fine. I was just thinking of the mechanical shooter as another element to differentiate from Raimi's films. That said, I would still be okay with organic web-shooters.

A few other elements I'd want to see:
1. Show Spider-Man's origin in the opening credits.
2. Have Spider-Man fire off more quips during battles.
3. Have Gwen Stacy as Peter Parker's first girl.

As for villains, I'm not sure. The only certainty is that I'd want to see villains in the first film that we haven't seen yet.

Jan 13, 2010#289

drawn_inward

This makes me hopeful for another Spider-man. I like Raimi, but he was the wrong choice for Spidey, and Tobey and Dunst suck. J.K. Simmons and Bruce Campbell were the best part of the movies.

I don't want to see another origin, but I am behind another reboot. Especially one that doesn't feature Spidey frickin crying, for Pete's sake!! Bring on the Lizard!

Jan 13, 2010#290

@Li3n

filmfanatic said:
3. Have Gwen Stacy as Peter Parker's first girl.

Betty Brand bitches... that's how you keep it real. Have MJ just be some girl his aunt keeps mentioning to him... but i'm asking too much i guess.

Jan 13, 2010#291

filmfanatic

Came across this interesting article on another forum about ideas to follow in regards to the Spider-Man reboot.

http://comics.ign.com/articles/106/1060526p1.html

Jan 13, 2010#292

wana10

i'm just gonna leave this here.... http://www.metro.co.uk/metrolife/film/808804-robert-pattinson-to-star-in-spider-man-4

Jan 13, 2010#293

Hailey Knight

Whole cast gone would mean JK Simmons gone... And no one's gonna play J Jonah Jameson better.

Jan 13, 2010#294

Shegokigo

wana10 said:
i'm just gonna leave this here.... http://www.metro.co.uk/metrolife/film/808804-robert-pattinson-to-star-in-spider-man-4

What was that about Charlie saying that nothing could cause Sony to sell Spider-Man? :laugh:

Jan 13, 2010#295

ElJuski

Why would that cause them to sell anything? That guy is a star and brings in tween bank. There's a demographic that's gonna shell out cash money just to see "R Pattz" no matter what he's in or doing.

Jan 13, 2010#296

filmfanatic

Shegokigo;328456][QUOTE=wana10 said:
i'm just gonna leave this here.... http://www.metro.co.uk/metrolife/film/808804-robert-pattinson-to-star-in-spider-man-4

What was that about Charlie saying that nothing could cause Sony to sell Spider-Man? :rofl:

[/QUOTE]
Oh my lord.

You know who I could see actually as Spider-Man? Anton Yelchin. For those who don't know who he is, he played Kyle Reese in Terminator Salvation and Chekov in Star Trek.

Jan 13, 2010#297

Shegokigo

ElJuski said:
Why would that cause them to sell anything? That guy is a star and brings in tween bank. There's a demographic that's gonna shell out cash money just to see \"R Pattz\" no matter what he's in or doing.

Talk to me when:

http://us.imdb.com/title/tt1403981/

bombs, k?

Jan 13, 2010#298

ElJuski

For some reason I doubt it will, based on "R. Pattz" alone. But, I could be wrong. Regardless of how much I hypothetically enjoy the guy--I don't, at all--he still is a good bet, financially.

Jan 13, 2010#299

Espy

From AICN:

According to Deadline Hollywood's Michael Fleming, Sony has a shortlist of directors they're considering for their SPIDER-MAN reboot. They are...

James Cameron
David Fincher
Wes Anderson
Marc Webb

Now, since Sony just parted ways with an established A-list filmmaker due to extreme creative differences, which of these four fellas do you think is closest to landing the gig?

On one hand, I want nothing more than to see Wes Anderson's version of a $200 million superhero tentpole, but I live in the real world and understand that would never happen. So it appears that (500) DAYS OF SUMMER director Marc Webb has the inside track in the SPIDER-MAN derby - and this is probably because the other three have either flat-out declined or were never seriously offered the job in the first place. In any event, Webb is a safe, solid choice; his last film was a studio-slick indie, and he'll probably be able to handle the romantic travails of high-school-age Peter Parker with tremendous sensitivity. Will he be able to manage movie star egos? I don't know. Will there be movie star egos? Sony has rebooted this franchise so abruptly (and is evidently keen to rush into production to hit a 2012 release date), it could be that they'll settle for up-and-comers and maybe one sorta big name for the villain.

It's all speculation at this point. All we've got to go on right now is that it'll be 3-D and that the very talented Jamie Vanderbilt (ZODIAC) is writing the script.

Jan 13, 2010#300

Alucard

Found this on short notice. If they could somehow actually make him sound like this during the movie fighting bad guys that would be a plus

Jan 13, 2010#301

V.Bond

Has anyone ever read the Spider-Man movie script James Cameron wrote in the '90s?

It's terrible, but it would fit right into this new direction Sony wants to take the franchise.

http://io9.com/5427122/what-if-james-cameron-made-a-spider+man-movie?skyline=true&s=x

Jan 13, 2010#302

Hailey Knight

Vagabond said:
Has anyone ever read the Spider-Man movie script James Cameron wrote in the '90s?

It's terrible, but it would fit right into this new direction Sony wants to take the franchise.

http://io9.com/5427122/what-if-james-cameron-made-a-spider+man-movie?skyline=true&s=x

AHAHAHAHA!!!! That...

...makes me cry.

Jan 13, 2010#303

Calleja

....Spidey wooing MJ with actual Spider rituals which sound completely made up.

I threw up in my mouth a little... but it became too much to hold in so I had to open my mouth and now it's all over my keyboard. Thanks for the link, vagoo.

Jan 13, 2010#304

fade

I've wondered quite often what it would be like to have a good indy director do a superhero film. Probably not spidey, because I don't think he's good for it. I bet Superman would rock in the hands of an indy house, though.

Jan 14, 2010#305

Calleja

If Michael Bay directs the reboot, Spidey's webs will be made of explosive chord. It'd be like "Thwi-BANG!" for 2 hours.

Jan 14, 2010#306

Philosopher B.

Calleja said:
If Michael Bay directs the reboot, Spidey's webs will be made of explosive chord. It'd be like "Thwi-BANG!" for 2 hours.

Shia LaBeouf could play Spiderman.

'No Dock Ock ... nononononoNO!"

Jan 14, 2010#307

The Lovely Boehner

Uhhh. Robert Pattinson is actually a pretty good actor. He could be fine as Spidey.

Jan 14, 2010#308

fade

Calleja said:
If Michael Bay directs the reboot, Spidey's webs will be made of explosive chord. It'd be like "Thwi-BANG!" for 2 hours.

Geez, and what would one pumpkin bomb do?

Jan 14, 2010#309

Jay

Reboot? Fuck this shit.

Jan 15, 2010#310

Steve

Okay, Sony, here's some free advise. Start the movie with McGuire's Peter Parker at the hospital wanting to save his dying aunt when Mephisto appears and offers him a chance to start over. Then roll back to high school and have Norman Osborn's Green Goblin with the ending "Peter, I AM YOUR FATHER." I am a genius.
Honestly, I'm glad they are rebooting the series. Someone posted a link earlier in this thread that summed up Raimi's Spider Man as campy. That was something I could never get past in the movies. And I agree they shouldn't have pushed him through high school so fast. The cartoon series is well written and has great build up. Hopefully Sony will take some cues from that and get a solid storyline going. I was not looking forward to Spiderman 4 but am looking forward to the reboot.
And for the record I loved Spiderman 2 and was so excited for 3 to come out I took the day off work and was going to hit the first showing. Not being able to wait until 10 am I decided to download the movie and just watch a few minutes that morning to get my fix. Thank god I did because I sat and watched in horror at how bad the movie was. It was all I could do to finish it on my computer and I still felt ripped off. It was so tramatic I ended up thinking Transformers was a great movie.

Jan 15, 2010#311

Shegokigo

Wait did you just say that Spider-Man SHOULDN'T be campy?

I mean, you HAVE picked up a Spider-Man comic in the past 10yrs right?

Jan 15, 2010#312

fade

10? How about 40? It's campy. Fun, entertaining, sometimes dark, but usually campy.

Jan 15, 2010#313

Shegokigo

Raimi nailed and knocked it out of the park with Spidey 1 & 2.

Jan 15, 2010#314

Calleja

I still consider Spider-Man 2 to be the best superhero movie ever

Jan 15, 2010#315

Shegokigo

Behind Superman 1 and Dark Knight? Totally agree.

Jan 15, 2010#316

Bowielee

Shegokigo said:
Behind Superman 1 and Dark Knight? Totally agree.

I agree if you replace Superman 1 with Superman 2.

I still hate the "turn time back by spinning the world backwards" ending of Superman 1.

Jan 16, 2010#317

filmfanatic

Bowielee;329490][QUOTE=Shegokigo said:
Behind Superman 1 and Dark Knight? Totally agree.

I agree if you replace Superman 1 with Superman 2.

I still hate the "turn time back by spinning the world backwards" ending of Superman 1.[/QUOTE]
Which version of Superman 2? They have the Richard Donner cut on DVD and I find it superior to the theatrical version.

Jan 16, 2010#318

Bowielee

Either, though the director's cut is better. Though that's pretty much true for most movies.

Jan 16, 2010#319

Steve

I think Raimi is way overrated as a director. Sure, the Evil Dead series was good and campy but that was due to Bruce being the genius he is. Scenes like the animal mounts laughing at him were just lame. It works as a low grade B horror flick (which, for the record I do like) but didn't care for it in Spider Man. I hated the Goblin. The suit and facemask horrible. Overall the first two Spider Man movies were good but there were the trademark Raimi scenes that took me right out of the movie. Drag Me To Hell was alright but it also had it's moments (talking goat anyone?). I'm all for the smart ass one liners spun from Spidey's mouth but can loose Peter dancing the jig.

Jan 16, 2010#320

The Lovely Boehner

If you think Bruce Campbell is the only reason the Evil Dead movies worked, then I don't know what to tell you. Campbell has been fucking terrible in almost everything he has been in without Sam Raimi.

Jan 16, 2010#321

Calleja

Shegokigo said:
Behind Superman 1 and Dark Knight? Totally agree.

No, better than those. Superman has the whole "turning back time thing" and Dark Knight may be a close second but loses out because of Bale's ridiculous voice and the fact it doesn't really have a good rewatchability factor... it's an awesome movie, but it's a bit too drawn out for repeated viewings. Spidey 2 I could watch once a week.

Jan 16, 2010#322

AshburnerX

Charlie Dont Surf said:
If you think Bruce Campbell is the only reason the Evil Dead movies worked, then I don't know what to tell you. Campbell has been fucking terrible in almost everything he has been in without Sam Raimi.

I think it's more a matter of Sam being able to bring out the best in Bruce than Bruce being a terrible actor. It also doesn't help that he keeps getting shit parts BECAUSE of those damn movies.

Jan 16, 2010#323

Calleja

He's great in Burn Notice, though

Jan 16, 2010#324

AshburnerX

Calleja said:
He's great in Burn Notice, though

This is true. TV has always been far kinder to Bruce than cinema.

Jan 16, 2010#325

Shegokigo

Steve said:
I think Raimi is way overrated as a director.

It's nothing to be ashamed of, we all can't have taste in movies.

AshburnerX;329733][QUOTE=Calleja said:
He's great in Burn Notice, though

This is true. TV has always been far kinder to Bruce than cinema.[/QUOTE]

Totally

Jan 17, 2010#326

AshburnerX

Ok, you got me... Jack of All Trades was a TERRIBLE show. The premise was awful and it reeked of trying to take a third bite of the Xena/Hercules style apple. It did have a catchy (if kinda lame) theme song though!

Jan 17, 2010#327

The Lovely Boehner

I will never apologize for liking Brisco County Jr.

Jan 17, 2010#328

fade

Charlie Dont Surf said:
I will never apologize for liking Brisco County Jr.

Yes! Pretty much the formula for "perfect".

Jan 17, 2010#329

Frankie Williamson

AshburnerX said:
Ok, you got me... Jack of All Trades was a TERRIBLE show. The premise was awful and it reeked of trying to take a third bite of the Xena/Hercules style apple. It did have a catchy (if kinda lame) theme song though!

Jack of all Trades was supposed to be funny before it was action-packed, not one of those God awful adventure shows that clogged syndication during the 90's.

I mean, shit, it had Vern Troyer as fucking Napoleon. He flew at people like a fucking rocketman-Raiden from Mortal Kombat combination.

Jan 17, 2010#330

Philosopher B.

Campbell was rad as shit in Bubba Hotep.

Jan 17, 2010#331

Hailey Knight

Philosopher B. said:
Campbell was rad as shit in Bubba Hotep.

That was Sam Raimi-directed though. They're talking about how he is without Sam Raimi.

Jan 17, 2010#332

Calleja

escushion;329924][QUOTE=Philosopher B. said:
Campbell was rad as shit in Bubba Hotep.

That was Sam Raimi-directed though. They're talking about how he is without Sam Raimi.[/QUOTE]

Uh..what? No it wasn't. It was directed by David Coscarelli. Raimi wasn't even a producer.

Jan 17, 2010#333

Hailey Knight

Calleja;329925][QUOTE=escushion;329924][QUOTE=Philosopher B. said:
Campbell was rad as shit in Bubba Hotep.

That was Sam Raimi-directed though. They're talking about how he is without Sam Raimi.[/QUOTE]

Uh..what? No it wasn't. It was directed by David Coscarelli. Raimi wasn't even a producer.[/QUOTE]

...wow, how did I fuck that up?

Jan 18, 2010#334

fade

Yeah, Coscarelli...who directed the only movie to ever really, really scare me. Of course, it's kind of campy when I go back and watch it now. But when I was a kid, that brain sucking ball scared the hell out of me. It was the flight of the ball--still really realistic, because it wasn't on wires. On the DVD commentary, I saw they hired a pro baseball pitcher to throw it. Explains the realism.

Jan 19, 2010#335

The Lovely Boehner

It looks like Marc Webb, of (500) Days of Summer fame, has been picked to direct the reboot.

Jan 19, 2010#336

Shegokigo

:laugh:

Well that about seals it.

Jan 19, 2010#337

filmfanatic

Shegokigo said:
:laugh:

Well that about seals it.

Nonsense. We still have plenty to debate. What villains will they use, who will play what characters, etc.

The thread speculation lives on!

Jan 19, 2010#338

Espy

The Villian: LOVE.

Jan 19, 2010#339

Hailey Knight

Now, did they choose him for ability or because of his last name?

I've never seen any of Webb's movies, so I'm not going to judge, but I did read the synopsis for Raimi's intended Spider-man 4 and it sounded bland as hell. Basically, MJ broke up with Peter after the end of the third movie. He falls for a new girl. Turns out her father is a criminal, the Vulture. Spider-man is conflicted between his feelings for the girl and stopping her villainous father. He ends up going with the crimefighter route and ends up killing the Vulture. So then there's a problem with the girl, she becomes the Vulturess. At the end of the movie, Peter decides to quit being Spider-man.

Now I can see why Sony chose to reboot. It's basically a stew of elements from the last three movies, except coming off really mediocre.

Ah well, still got Spider-man 2 to enjoy.

Jan 19, 2010#340

fade

I still don't understand why people rate 2 above 1. I really thought 1 was the superior movie. It captured the essence of spider-man and that geek getting the chance to do something good, be something strong. New York felt real and full of people. 2 went too far down the cheesy route and Doc Ock felt kind of goofy. We narrowed focus on the cast, and lost New York in the process. My opinion, anyway.

Jan 19, 2010#341

Hailey Knight

Maybe Spider-man 1 was a better Spider-man movie, but I felt Spider-man 2 was a better general movie. It did have a tighter focus, I felt the drama worked more realistically, and Peter's character arc was stronger, even if those aspects weren't totally true to the comic.

Jan 20, 2010#342

bhamv3

I saw Spider Man 1 with my room mate back in university, and during the scene with Peter and MJ in the hospital room, he turned to me and said, "This movie is so boring."

His point, I think, was that the first movie spends so much time telling Spidey's origin story it doesn't show enough of Spidey being Spidey. The second film doesn't have to deal with origin stories so it's more fun.

Jan 20, 2010#343

Shegokigo

Spider-Man 1 suffered (to comic fans who know him already) because of more "origin" than "action". Pretty much as bhamv said.

Jan 20, 2010#344

JCM

Spidey 2 was also more up to date, I mean, Spidey 1 we see his origin story, but in 2 we get to see wat makes Spiderman/Peter Parker, from his strugling to balance love, job and studies with his superhero life.

escushion said:
Now, did they choose him for ability or because of his last name?

I've never seen any of Webb's movies, so I'm not going to judge, but I did read the synopsis for Raimi's intended Spider-man 4 and it sounded bland as hell. Basically, MJ broke up with Peter after the end of the third movie. He falls for a new girl. Turns out her father is a criminal, the Vulture. Spider-man is conflicted between his feelings for the girl and stopping her villainous father. He ends up going with the crimefighter route and ends up killing the Vulture. So then there's a problem with the girl, she becomes the Vulturess. At the end of the movie, Peter decides to quit being Spider-man.

Now I can see why Sony chose to reboot. It's basically a stew of elements from the last three movies, except coming off really mediocre.

Ah well, still got Spider-man 2 to enjoy.

Sony chose him because he can direct young people in a comedy, and 500 days of summer in high school is where they want to take the franchise.

Jan 20, 2010#345

The Lovely Boehner

I watched Spider-Man 1 and 2 back to back this past weekend, and the jump in effects between 1 and 2 is pretty huge. 2 looks just infinitely better. And it also doesn't climax with tough, no-nonsense New Yorkers pelting Doc Ock with trash.

Jan 20, 2010#346

Dave

NO NEW ORIGIN STORY!!

Jan 20, 2010#347

@Li3n

Thank you Edward Norton...

Jan 20, 2010#348

Hailey Knight

Cool!

Not getting my hopes up yet, but cool.

Mar 3, 2010#349

The Lovely Boehner

Logan Lerner (Percy Jackson, Gamer) will be Spider-Man

Mar 3, 2010#350

Calleja

Wow, really!? Source? It's not yet on his IMDB nor Wiki article.

I hope it's true, I actually think he works.

Mar 3, 2010#351

Bowielee

The Lovely Boner said:
I watched Spider-Man 1 and 2 back to back this past weekend, and the jump in effects between 1 and 2 is pretty huge. 2 looks just infinitely better. And it also doesn't climax with tough, no-nonsense New Yorkers pelting Doc Ock with trash.

They did the whole "the people of the city actually love Spider-Man" in a way more effective way in Spider-Man 2. Same message, way less cheese.

Mar 3, 2010#352

Hailey Knight

Bowielee;348897][QUOTE=The Lovely Boner said:
I watched Spider-Man 1 and 2 back to back this past weekend, and the jump in effects between 1 and 2 is pretty huge. 2 looks just infinitely better. And it also doesn't climax with tough, no-nonsense New Yorkers pelting Doc Ock with trash.

Mar 3, 2010#353

Bowielee

escushion;348906][QUOTE=Bowielee;348897][QUOTE=The Lovely Boner said:
I watched Spider-Man 1 and 2 back to back this past weekend, and the jump in effects between 1 and 2 is pretty huge. 2 looks just infinitely better. And it also doesn't climax with tough, no-nonsense New Yorkers pelting Doc Ock with trash.

They did the whole "the people of the city actually love Spider-Man" in a way more effective way in Spider-Man 2. Same message, way less cheese.[/QUOTE]

One of the many parts I love from that movie. It's almost making fun of the scene from the first movie.[/QUOTE]

Especially when they stand up to the villain and he just looks at them like "I'm fucking Doctor Octopus, bitch!" and then swats them aside.

Mar 4, 2010#354

fade

I liked the new yorkers pelting Gobby with rocks. What else would've happened?

Mar 4, 2010#355

Calleja

Yeah, I liked it too... they had just seen Spidey risk everything to save a buttload of children, who Gobby himself had thrown off the bridge.... had I been there I would have been throwing stuff too, I don't see where you get the cheese.

Mar 4, 2010#356

Bowielee

fade said:
I liked the new yorkers pelting Gobby with rocks. What else would've happened?

The Goblin would have pelted them back with pumpkin bombs.

Mar 5, 2010#357

fade

Yeah, except for that pesky red and blue guy who kept hitting him. Also, it's the Clark Kent phenomenon: you don't react to something well that you don't see coming.

Mar 5, 2010#358

sixpackshaker

Reminds me of the Robot Chicken spoof on Cloverfield. When the people of NYC started booing and yelling "TOO SOON!"

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