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Kitty Sinatra
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How about a Black Cat movie?
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Spider-Man 4 swinging into theaters May 2011? No, Never. Raimi out, reboot time
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figmentPez
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Still, Maximum Carnage did have some good plot elements that could be used for a Spider-Man vs HYDRA movie. The long term siege of the city, Spider-Man being conflicted about teaming up with someone willing to kill, having to choose between saving innocents and chasing the villains (especially when teamed with someone who cares more about vengeance than heroics), giving J.J. Jameson more ammo for Spider-bashing, etc.
There's a great part where Mary Jane gets sick of wondering if Peter is dead or alive, so she goes out to a night club to take her mind off of things (I thought that was much better than sitting around pining) and when the club is attacked by Carnage and his goons, Venom is the one that saves her. Make it HYDRA/terrorists attacking the club, and let Punisher save her, and it could work just as well.
LOL, as much as I agree that Black Cat does need to be in a Spider-Man movie, I couldn't help but think of the Maximum Carnage story-arc, and it's attempts to throw in as many heroes and villains as possible. The idea of the really good guys, struggling with the anti-heroes as they both try and put down the psychotic killers is very similar, but can you imagine that as a movie? It had too many characters for a comic book.
Still, Maximum Carnage did have some good plot elements that could be used for a Spider-Man vs HYDRA movie. The long term siege of the city, Spider-Man being conflicted about teaming up with someone willing to kill, having to choose between saving innocents and chasing the villains (especially when teamed with someone who cares more about vengeance than heroics), giving J.J. Jameson more ammo for Spider-bashing, etc.
There's a great part where Mary Jane gets sick of wondering if Peter is dead or alive, so she goes out to a night club to take her mind off of things (I thought that was much better than sitting around pining) and when the club is attacked by Carnage and his goons, Venom is the one that saves her. Make it HYDRA/terrorists attacking the club, and let Punisher save her, and it could work just as well.
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Gadzooks
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So Spiderman 4 comes out May 2011, So does Thor. Way to steal his thunder Spiderman......
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So Spiderman 4 comes out May 2011, So does Thor. Way to steal his thunder Spiderman......
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Iaculus
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Indeed, but I'd say there's still some leeway for a smart Shocker, even if he isn't evil mastermind material by any stretch of imagination. Not as if the movies have been slavishly devoted to comic characterisation, after all.
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ThatNickGuy
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Oh, please. Carnage looks like a hemophiliac's attempt at forming a scab.
Oh, please. Carnage looks like a hemophiliac's attempt at forming a scab.
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ThatNickGuy
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Yep, that's where I got it from.
And it's damn true.
Yep, that's where I got it from.
And it's damn true.
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To be honest, I didn't think any of the symbiotes would look good on screen. They draw nicely, but they're doomed to look like either a rubber Halloween mask or a fake CGI mess on screen. I'm not sure how you would fix that either. If you did it in CGI, it might pay to make the tendrils matte. Or dirty up the shiny so that it doesn't stand out so much.
I was just thinking, too, off topic--I don't know if it's been said, but I wonder if the uncanny valley is some sort of adapted camouflage detection.
To be honest, I didn't think any of the symbiotes would look good on screen. They draw nicely, but they're doomed to look like either a rubber Halloween mask or a fake CGI mess on screen. I'm not sure how you would fix that either. If you did it in CGI, it might pay to make the tendrils matte. Or dirty up the shiny so that it doesn't stand out so much.
I was just thinking, too, off topic--I don't know if it's been said, but I wonder if the uncanny valley is some sort of adapted camouflage detection.
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True. I've just not been impressed with CGI work on more organic or tar-like substances. It's always too shiny and perfect. They could get rid of the fangs, for instance. Or make them more Carnage/Ultron like. McFarlane's Venom didn't even have them. Or diverge from the comic like they did with Ock or Green Goblin's mask and suit.
True. I've just not been impressed with CGI work on more organic or tar-like substances. It's always too shiny and perfect. They could get rid of the fangs, for instance. Or make them more Carnage/Ultron like. McFarlane's Venom didn't even have them. Or diverge from the comic like they did with Ock or Green Goblin's mask and suit.
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ThatNickGuy
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Same here, especially during his big speech to Spidey, trying to convince him to team up.
You don't take a great actor like DaFoe and make him bob his head around like a Power Ranger.
Same here, especially during his big speech to Spidey, trying to convince him to team up.
You don't take a great actor like DaFoe and make him bob his head around like a Power Ranger.
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Those sure look like fangs to me. It was Eric Larson who added the insanely impossible tongue, though.
For the record, I actually liked the look of Venom in the movie, it was just the shitty story and acting tied to him that I had a problem with.
Um, Here's the very first appearence of venom.
Those sure look like fangs to me. It was Eric Larson who added the insanely impossible tongue, though.
For the record, I actually liked the look of Venom in the movie, it was just the shitty story and acting tied to him that I had a problem with.
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No, they're squared off in that very picture. McFarlane has actually talked at length about this. In fact, Wikipedia has a whole section on it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venom_(comics)#Change_in_appearance
(also, I must say, I find few things as attack-ish as beginning a post with "Um.." or "Uh..")
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Down at the bottom appears to be uncolored gums, because the separation line between the teeth is a lot higher. You can see it on the right.
No, they're squared off in that very picture. McFarlane has actually talked at length about this. In fact, Wikipedia has a whole section on it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venom_(comics)#Change_in_appearance
(also, I must say, I find few things as attack-ish as beginning a post with "Um.." or "Uh..")
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Down at the bottom appears to be uncolored gums, because the separation line between the teeth is a lot higher. You can see it on the right.
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ThatNickGuy
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It's kind of a 3-part epic (Earth X, Universe X, Paradise X), but Earth X is self contained enough that you can enjoy it on its own. Earth X is all collected into a one-volume trade.
It's kind of a 3-part epic (Earth X, Universe X, Paradise X), but Earth X is self contained enough that you can enjoy it on its own. Earth X is all collected into a one-volume trade.
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This. I own Earth X and it's awesome. The other two are very good as well, though I don't have them myself (read them at a bookstore). I really recommend checking them all out.
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ThatNickGuy
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I used to own Universe and Paradise X, but honestly, I thought they were ridiculously overcomplicated, using way too much Marvel trivia that I got a headache from it. Seriously, I felt like I needed a flowchart just to follow along.
I used to own Universe and Paradise X, but honestly, I thought they were ridiculously overcomplicated, using way too much Marvel trivia that I got a headache from it. Seriously, I felt like I needed a flowchart just to follow along.
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I liked the Sandman. I just wish 3 was a bit better. Although, I don't quite get the hate for 3. It was about as good as the rest of them, which isn't much of a complement.
MOAR Campbell!! Please no more whiney PP. No more Kirsten Dunst, and no more crying.
This. Completely this.
I liked the Sandman. I just wish 3 was a bit better. Although, I don't quite get the hate for 3. It was about as good as the rest of them, which isn't much of a complement.
MOAR Campbell!! Please no more whiney PP. No more Kirsten Dunst, and no more crying.
Cajungal
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No more so that the DCU and Kingdom Come. Which the marvel X books were an answer to.
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ThatNickGuy
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Ehhh, I'd have to disagree on that. I know a large number of casual fans that have read Kingdom Come and loved it. The book focuses on Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, etc. All the big mainstays, but it doesn't bog down with TOO many plots of DC continuity. Most of the secondary characters are new to the book (Magog, for example) or mostly used in the background. In fact, there are a LOT of little visual references that comic book afficiados would catch or appreciate.
Earth X, however, seems to try doing too much, a lot of times. No explanation on who The Skull is, and then you have everything invovling Galactus and the Celestials. It's still a great book, don't get me wrong, but there's a lot more continuity involved in the story that a more hardcore fan would know and follow the story better. It's been a long time since I read it, let along owned it (sold them all ages ago) and the taint of confusion from Universe/Paradise X may have weakened my original love for Earth X.
Ehhh, I'd have to disagree on that. I know a large number of casual fans that have read Kingdom Come and loved it. The book focuses on Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, etc. All the big mainstays, but it doesn't bog down with TOO many plots of DC continuity. Most of the secondary characters are new to the book (Magog, for example) or mostly used in the background. In fact, there are a LOT of little visual references that comic book afficiados would catch or appreciate.
Earth X, however, seems to try doing too much, a lot of times. No explanation on who The Skull is, and then you have everything invovling Galactus and the Celestials. It's still a great book, don't get me wrong, but there's a lot more continuity involved in the story that a more hardcore fan would know and follow the story better. It's been a long time since I read it, let along owned it (sold them all ages ago) and the taint of confusion from Universe/Paradise X may have weakened my original love for Earth X.
Spider-Man 4 swinging into theaters May 2011
Bah, the Skull needed no further explanation... and the Celestials could easily be explained in one page as space gods that modified humans in the far past resulting in super-powers and mutants existing today... but of course to truly appreciate Earth X knowing continuity is necessary, but it worked just fine with what i read on wikipedia.
Bah, the Skull needed no further explanation... and the Celestials could easily be explained in one page as space gods that modified humans in the far past resulting in super-powers and mutants existing today... but of course to truly appreciate Earth X knowing continuity is necessary, but it worked just fine with what i read on wikipedia.
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I liked the Sandman. I just wish 3 was a bit better. Although, I don't quite get the hate for 3. It was about as good as the rest of them, which isn't much of a complement.
MOAR Campbell!! Please no more whiney PP. No more Kirsten Dunst, and no more crying.[/QUOTE]The hate for Spidey 3 is that it was a great Sandman movie, but a terrible Venom movie.
Reimi was forced by the studios to put in Venom, and it shows. And lets not forget that in ever review, Spiderman 2 is noted as the best Superhero movie lately (but after the Dark Kinght and Watchmen, it'll have to be the third best)
This. Completely this.
I liked the Sandman. I just wish 3 was a bit better. Although, I don't quite get the hate for 3. It was about as good as the rest of them, which isn't much of a complement.
MOAR Campbell!! Please no more whiney PP. No more Kirsten Dunst, and no more crying.[/QUOTE]The hate for Spidey 3 is that it was a great Sandman movie, but a terrible Venom movie.
Reimi was forced by the studios to put in Venom, and it shows. And lets not forget that in ever review, Spiderman 2 is noted as the best Superhero movie lately (but after the Dark Kinght and Watchmen, it'll have to be the third best)
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Spider-Man 2 is still the best superhero movie, TDK and Watchmen each had some pretty glaring problems.
Spider-Man 2 is still the best superhero movie, TDK and Watchmen each had some pretty glaring problems.
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JCM
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True, but I was talking about overall reviews, and best movie lists, not my personal opinion.
Otherwise the Hellboy flicks would be number 1, followed by Spidey 2.
True, but I was talking about overall reviews, and best movie lists, not my personal opinion.
Otherwise the Hellboy flicks would be number 1, followed by Spidey 2.
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I liked the Sandman. I just wish 3 was a bit better. Although, I don't quite get the hate for 3. It was about as good as the rest of them, which isn't much of a complement.
MOAR Campbell!! Please no more whiney PP. No more Kirsten Dunst, and no more crying.[/QUOTE]The hate for Spidey 3 is that it was a great Sandman movie, but a terrible Venom movie.
Reimi was forced by the studios to put in Venom, and it shows. And lets not forget that in ever review, Spiderman 2 is noted as the best Superhero movie lately (but after the Dark Kinght and Watchmen, it'll have to be the third best)[/QUOTE]
Not to mention none of the actors seemed to want to be there. Macguire roboted through his lines. The out of place Gwen Stacy subplot? The uncomfortable Harry Osborn stuff?
Oh.
And the cheesy, cheesy, cheesy, black suit possession stuff. The dance scene?!? Come on! That alone practically negates any good the rest of the movie did.
None of this stuff was in 1 or 2.
This. Completely this.
I liked the Sandman. I just wish 3 was a bit better. Although, I don't quite get the hate for 3. It was about as good as the rest of them, which isn't much of a complement.
MOAR Campbell!! Please no more whiney PP. No more Kirsten Dunst, and no more crying.[/QUOTE]The hate for Spidey 3 is that it was a great Sandman movie, but a terrible Venom movie.
Reimi was forced by the studios to put in Venom, and it shows. And lets not forget that in ever review, Spiderman 2 is noted as the best Superhero movie lately (but after the Dark Kinght and Watchmen, it'll have to be the third best)[/QUOTE]
Not to mention none of the actors seemed to want to be there. Macguire roboted through his lines. The out of place Gwen Stacy subplot? The uncomfortable Harry Osborn stuff?
Oh.
And the cheesy, cheesy, cheesy, black suit possession stuff. The dance scene?!? Come on! That alone practically negates any good the rest of the movie did.
None of this stuff was in 1 or 2.
Spider-Man 4 swinging into theaters May 2011
Spidey 2 and Dark Knight are both 94% on Rotten Tomatoes, Watchmen is a mixed reaction at best, and 64%
Spidey 2 and Dark Knight are both 94% on Rotten Tomatoes, Watchmen is a mixed reaction at best, and 64%
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