People after using the book "to serve man" and solving all society's ills, visit the aliens planet and discover that the word serve has two appilcable meanings, and become dinner.
The Prestige got me too. Like others, I had an inkling about Borden's trick as soon as the hats happened, but the real twist/kicker was the reality of the other guy's trick.
I hated the Tesla Cloning machine, thought it was stupid, but the other reveal made up for everything. The signs are completely present throughout the entire movie, but I never saw it coming. Brilliant considering the whole part in the beginning about how the answer is usually stare you in the face, but you don't see it because you don't want to.
The Prestige got me too. Like others, I had an inkling about Borden's trick as soon as the hats happened, but the real twist/kicker was the reality of the other guy's trick.
I hated the Tesla Cloning machine, thought it was stupid, but the other reveal made up for everything. The signs are completely present throughout the entire movie, but I never saw it coming. Brilliant considering the whole part in the beginning about how the answer is usually stare you in the face, but you don't see it because you don't want to.
[/QUOTE]I kina liked it, because it made me remember my theory aboy Star Trek.
You go in the teleporter, you die. Yes, a copy of you is made, with your particles, and your memories up to when you entered, and doesnt even know you died, and will die also the second he teleports.
Not a theory, there was an episode of Next Generation that resulted in two Rikers running around due to a transporter accident. (Riker was "beamed" off a planet but due to some kind of interference he was never dematerialized).
Not a theory, there was an episode of Next Generation that resulted in two Rikers running around due to a transporter accident. (Riker was "beamed" off a planet but due to some kind of interference he was never dematerialized).[/QUOTE]
Do you mean "they actually die when they teleport, and a copy of them with their memories lives on" is already established in Star Trek?
Because with me it was just a drunken musing I made a decade back with my friend over why I would never teleport, after all, how do I know its really ME that will go out the other side, that I wont simply die, end my existence and my copy would live on to get drunk and muse some more.
You're both giving away much of the movie's plot/twists.
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Also, that musing has been made before about going to sleep. It's a lack of certainty of one's own existence based on breaks in one's stream of consciousness.
Not a theory, there was an episode of Next Generation that resulted in two Rikers running around due to a transporter accident. (Riker was "beamed" off a planet but due to some kind of interference he was never dematerialized).[/QUOTE]
Do you mean "they actually die when they teleport, and a copy of them with their memories lives on" is already established in Star Trek?
Because with me it was just a drunken musing I made a decade back with my friend over why I would never teleport, after all, how do I know its really ME that will go out the other side, that I wont simply die, end my existence and my copy would live on to get drunk and muse some more.
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Yes. The newly created Riker even showed up in an episode of DS9. Kind of makes you agree with Bones doesn't it?
Hell yes! I thought it was a so-so movie until the end, where it's basically revealed that
she killed all her friends and the monsters never existed.
As far as my favourites?
Fallen. Nuff said and if you haven't seen it, then shame on you.
There was this episode of The Outer Limits. The setting was this big war between Earth and these other aliens. The whole episode takes place within the alien prison and the guy is a POW. Meets with this girl, who's also been captured. During the whole episode, the aliens drag her away, do experiements on her and bring her back, every time looking a little more like them. And then at the end,
he gives her hope by saying that there's a HUGE fleet of ships hidden behind a planet and they're ready to launch one big, final attack in a desperate attempt to win. Then the girl stands up, she knocks on the door and says soemthing like "You don't understand. They weren't changing me. They were changing me BACK.
There was this episode of The Outer Limits. The setting was this big war between Earth and these other aliens. The whole episode takes place within the alien prison and the guy is a POW. Meets with this girl, who's also been captured. During the whole episode, the aliens drag her away, do experiements on her and bring her back, every time looking a little more like them. And then at the end,
he gives her hope by saying that there's a HUGE fleet of ships hidden behind a planet and they're ready to launch one big, final attack in a desperate attempt to win. Then the girl stands up, she knocks on the door and says soemthing like "You don't understand. They weren't changing me. They were changing me BACK.
Spoiler: The 'peaceful' ending. Making peace between the ghouls and the humans, convincing everyone that the ghouls are peaceful and that they can live in harmony... then coming back two weeks later, and finding all the humans' corpses in the basement. Actually felt like a punch to the gut.
Most of my favorites have already been mentioned, so yeah.
It wasn't obvious to everyone else that was going to happen? I mean, the final scene in the movie was in every commercial I'd ever seen for the film. I actually counted down in my head on the train platform, "Five seconds to bad twist ending, 5, 4, 3, 2, oops, I was a little slow."
It wasn't obvious to everyone else that was going to happen? I mean, the final scene in the movie was in every commercial I'd ever seen for the film. I actually counted down in my head on the train platform, "Five seconds to bad twist ending, 5, 4, 3, 2, oops, I was a little slow."
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^This. The ending was telegraphed about 35 minutes before it ended. If you were paying attention at all, you'd have recognized the foreshadowing long in advance.
Not a theory, there was an episode of Next Generation that resulted in two Rikers running around due to a transporter accident. (Riker was "beamed" off a planet but due to some kind of interference he was never dematerialized).[/quote]
Do you mean "they actually die when they teleport, and a copy of them with their memories lives on" is already established in Star Trek?
Because with me it was just a drunken musing I made a decade back with my friend over why I would never teleport, after all, how do I know its really ME that will go out the other side, that I wont simply die, end my existence and my copy would live on to get drunk and muse some more.
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Yes. The newly created Riker even showed up in an episode of DS9. Kind of makes you agree with Bones doesn't it?[/QUOTE]
As i recall Riker did get dematerialized for a few seconds, but the beam bounced back or something...
Still, teleporters that work by breaking you down and reassembling you back at the destination are creepy, even if somehow they reassemble the same exact particles... you're still dead while in transport.
Not a theory, there was an episode of Next Generation that resulted in two Rikers running around due to a transporter accident. (Riker was "beamed" off a planet but due to some kind of interference he was never dematerialized).[/quote]
Do you mean "they actually die when they teleport, and a copy of them with their memories lives on" is already established in Star Trek?
Because with me it was just a drunken musing I made a decade back with my friend over why I would never teleport, after all, how do I know its really ME that will go out the other side, that I wont simply die, end my existence and my copy would live on to get drunk and muse some more.
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Yes. The newly created Riker even showed up in an episode of DS9. Kind of makes you agree with Bones doesn't it?[/QUOTE]
As i recall Riker did get dematerialized for a few seconds, but the beam bounced back or something...
Still, teleporters that work by breaking you down and reassembling you back at the destination are creepy, even if somehow they reassemble the same exact particles... you're still dead while in transport.[/QUOTE]But the question is, do you revive when you arrive, and a doppelganer in your body, with you memory, lives on?
Is Kirk condemned to kill himself everytime he says, "Scotty Beam me up", and have a carbon copy of him continue on, foolishly believing with those memories that he is Kirk, and later on, killing himself too?
I remember there being a short cartoon once about a guy who builds a "teleporter" that actually worked by killing people in the start booth and making an exact copy in the End booth. One day he wonders about the philosophic questions of this and sets the machine to not kill him, so he could discuss it with himself. An hour passes and it's time for one of them to die... but they can't remember who was the original, so they end up fighting and one eventually tosses the other in the machine. This act of murder actually depresses him so much that he goes into the booth and teleports himself away, thus committing suicide, despite having a living copy in the receiving booth. I also remember it had a kinda funny song being sung by the guy as he commits suicide, saying how he'll be guilt free once he come sout the other end, as THAT one wouldn't have committed murder.
Man, I loved that ending! I remember renting that book in high school and thinking ...
Who's left who could have possibly done it? Well... the narrator, but that doesn't seem likely....
...then I finished the book and turned out to be right! I should read that again...[/QUOTE]
I read that book.
I remember after reading it thinking that now that Agatha Christie had made the friggin' narrator the murderer there was nowhere else for the "whodunit" genre to go.
"Death of a Foy" by Issac Asimov, actually not so much a twist as a pun. I love a lot of stories of this type, but this is one of the most complex, it's scifi, and it just works so well.
Give my big hearts to Maude, Dwayne. Dismember me for Harold's choir. Tell all the Foys on Sortibackenstrete that I will soon be there...
Wish I could remember the name of the episode.
