Not here, not in America. And that's a good thing.
Bystander Effect much?
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Are you still fucking around here? Because this sentiment is horrible.[/QUOTE]
Wow, you really don't understand violence, at all.
Are you still fucking around here? Because this sentiment is horrible.[/QUOTE]
Wow, you really don't understand violence, at all.[/QUOTE]
Explain this statement please.
I agree that the 'eye for an eye' is a terrible method for enforcing justice. But that wasn't what I was referring too.
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Are you still fucking around here? Because this sentiment is horrible.[/QUOTE]
Wow, you really don't understand violence, at all.[/QUOTE]
Explain this statement please.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, but no. I retract this statement, I should've known better to goad anyone. My mood got the better of my judgement.
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Silvanesti
Not here, not in America. And that's a good thing.[/QUOTE]
I couldn't agree more.
Shannow
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Not here, not in America. And that's a good thing.[/quote]
I couldn't agree more.[/QUOTE]
thirded
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Not here, not in America. And that's a good thing.[/quote]
I couldn't agree more.[/quote]
thirded[/QUOTE]
Until zombies coat the country and it's the only way of dealing with criminals I like our justice system as it is. Minus the death penalty thing, unless you're Dahmer but there's no way of drawing that line so not even then. I'm not afraid of violence and I'm all for victims protecting themselves but the government shouldn't be torturing people as punishment.
No, here we just send rapists to prison for a few years where they get cable TV. Then they get released and commit another rape within a year.
These particular scumbags will be charged with rape and battery of a minor. If they are released into the prison's general population... boy howdy they're not gonna last long. Actually, it's a fitting punishment for them. The other inmates will see to that.
Our prison system, as it is right now, also qualifies as cruel and unusual punishment.
Prisons aren't exactly supposed to be pleasant. They're supposed to be distinctly unpleasant so people won't aspire to go there.
There's no reason these rapists shouldn't have every cruelty inflicted upon them. They will merely take advantage of any mercy and then brag about it to their buddies.
Yes there is. We're not fucking savages. There is a huge gulf between the resort minimum security prisons and getting gangraped in the shower every day.
If somebody behaves like a wild animal and gang-rapes a teenaged girl, then they should be treated like a wild animal themselves. There is no excuse for what they did, no mitigating factors, NOTHING. I'm not suggesting we hang them in full view of picnicking crowds (yes, it used to a festive event with spectators) but they must suffer. There is little chance of reintroducing them into society because they'll just rape again.
*Fucking Around Mode*
Maybe we should do this again. It's not much different than UFC, we free up room in our prisons, and the money will go to a good cause.
*Fucking Around Mode*
Maybe we should do this again. It's not much different than UFC, we free up room in our prisons, and the money will go to a good cause.
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Silvanesti
Why?
What would the reason be for the suffering? What good would it bring? It seems like you just want some perverted sense of justice.
As long as they're off the street then I think thats the important thing. If it makes you happy to think of the prisioner being raped and harmed, then good for you.
We've been around the block often enough on this, I think.
Anyway...Prison serves multiple purposes. Those believing it's to protect society, those who believe it's to help the inmates, and those who believe it should be revenge on the purpatrators of evil, will never see eye to eye.
Me, I'm still on the side of those who believe that most *not all* people who end up in prison can be helped with *good* re-education, re-adjustment, and psychological treatment and careful watching and suivi.
Yes, some are completely rotten through and through and through...either psychiatrical cases, or just plain vile people. They're pretty rare, though. I'm completely convicned that most people could be made right given proper councelling.
These guys - they're not horrible inhuman creatures. They're (probably, mostly) drunk fratboys who didn't know well enough where the boundaries were, and what was or wasn't right, and wouldn't do anything remotely like it without alcohol. They need their moral code examined and re thought, they might need some schooling so they can find a purpose in life, and they need punishment to make it clear this is unacceptable - they don't need to be gang-raped themselves. That won't do anything but make sure that when they get out of prison, they'll be 10x worse than they are now.
Anyway...Prison serves multiple purposes. Those believing it's to protect society, those who believe it's to help the inmates, and those who believe it should be revenge on the purpatrators of evil, will never see eye to eye.
Me, I'm still on the side of those who believe that most *not all* people who end up in prison can be helped with *good* re-education, re-adjustment, and psychological treatment and careful watching and suivi.
Yes, some are completely rotten through and through and through...either psychiatrical cases, or just plain vile people. They're pretty rare, though. I'm completely convicned that most people could be made right given proper councelling.
These guys - they're not horrible inhuman creatures. They're (probably, mostly) drunk fratboys who didn't know well enough where the boundaries were, and what was or wasn't right, and wouldn't do anything remotely like it without alcohol. They need their moral code examined and re thought, they might need some schooling so they can find a purpose in life, and they need punishment to make it clear this is unacceptable - they don't need to be gang-raped themselves. That won't do anything but make sure that when they get out of prison, they'll be 10x worse than they are now.
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crono1224
So in them losing their 'humanity' in committing their heinous crimes we should lose ours in our punishment of them?
If our prisons are failing to rehabilitate its a joint fault in them being fucked up and us being unable to change them. Also to be fair if the recitivism rate is 99% that means their is still 1% that doesn't commit the crime again, grats you just brutally tourtured a guy that wasn't going to commit the crime again.
If our prisons are failing to rehabilitate its a joint fault in them being fucked up and us being unable to change them. Also to be fair if the recitivism rate is 99% that means their is still 1% that doesn't commit the crime again, grats you just brutally tourtured a guy that wasn't going to commit the crime again.
Why?
What would the reason be for the suffering? What good would it bring? It seems like you just want some perverted sense of justice.
As long as they're off the street then I think thats the important thing. If it makes you happy to think of the prisioner being raped and harmed, then good for you.[/QUOTE]
Believe it or not, I'm a fan of restorative justice for misdemeanors, victimless crimes, and even some felonies. Restorative justice is when the victim and perpetrator meet face to face, talk about what happened, and talk about what the sentence should be. There is no jail time and it usually ends with the criminal doing a lot of services for the victim. Hell, I'm human and I understand that a lot of crooks became that way because of desperation or in the heat of passion. I'm all for giving those people a second chance, and education is the best way to do that.
While touring various prisons, I could see inmates working the machine shops and bakeries, learning a trade so they wouldn't have to steal upon release. Others were working on their GED and were even taking online university courses. I wish them the very best. Prisons should save those who are worth saving.
And then we have scumbags who must be handled without clemency or pity. As for these rapists, they must be punished because they are beyond redemption. Like I have said several times, statistics prove that sex offenders are more likely to commit the very same crime again. They knew full well what they were doing, and being intoxicated is no defense. They were probably high-fiving each other before the police showed up. Severe and excruciatingly painful punishment is the only thing that will get through to them.
If they go to prison, I don't think we have to worry about them getting out worse than before. That's because they'll be guaranteed a very short life once the other inmates find out they raped a minor. These vermin will be gang-raped every day in the showers so they can suffer as the girl suffered. Then, one day, they'll get a shiv through the ribs. May Sigmar have mercy on their souls.
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crono1224
Ya always nice to see vindictive criminal justice hopefuls, I have been to several jails as i also got a criminal justice degree. And you want to know one of the problems of recitivism for sex offenders is exactly what you say, how can they change when once they are basically charged with the crime they are no longer treated as human beings.
How can you rehabilitate someone that you consistently demean. I'm sorry but the fact you refer to them as vermin and worst only shows that they don't have a chance of being treated fairly or being rehabilitated by you.
How can you rehabilitate someone that you consistently demean. I'm sorry but the fact you refer to them as vermin and worst only shows that they don't have a chance of being treated fairly or being rehabilitated by you.
I know I can't rehabilitate sex offenders (I don't think anybody can), and that's partly why I attempted to join the law enforcement rather than the corrections track. Various other reasons contributed to my final decision to earn an MA in history and pursue a PhD in naval history.
And these rapists are vermin, pure and simple. There is a threshold for society's tolerance and understanding. With this particular crime, there is no way to rationalize or excuse these scumbags' actions. It doesn't matter if they were drunk (which is not a valid defense in court), if there was a lot of peer pressure, or if Mommy and Daddy didn't love them enough.
And these rapists are vermin, pure and simple. There is a threshold for society's tolerance and understanding. With this particular crime, there is no way to rationalize or excuse these scumbags' actions. It doesn't matter if they were drunk (which is not a valid defense in court), if there was a lot of peer pressure, or if Mommy and Daddy didn't love them enough.
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crono1224
So you continue degrading them thus insuring that they will never break out of their problems. You can feel how ever you want about them but if you ridicule them and suggest punishments that push them to sub-human lifestyle you can't get all uppity when they continue to not behave correctly.
Maybe if you treated them like any other criminal and made a concious attempt to help them, you could cut the recitivism rate down even a fraction which is better than the current system of spitting on them and marking them, thus insuring that only the lucky ones don't repeat.
But regardless it is slightly amusing how people can call someone inhuman and then suggest punishments that are sometimes more disgusting than the crime itself.
Maybe if you treated them like any other criminal and made a concious attempt to help them, you could cut the recitivism rate down even a fraction which is better than the current system of spitting on them and marking them, thus insuring that only the lucky ones don't repeat.
But regardless it is slightly amusing how people can call someone inhuman and then suggest punishments that are sometimes more disgusting than the crime itself.
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Silvanesti
Wow. You are totally awesome bro.
Even with help there's a significant recidivism rate. While the child molesters tend to not last long in prison, those who rape adults generally aren't hunted down and have the same access to help. They continue to rape after they get out because they are simply vile people. There's a site where you can see a map that shows where the sex offenders live. Most of them choose to live neighborhoods close to universities. It's not because they're taking classes or just like reading microfilm; there's too much young college ass for them to resist.
The scum who rape minors should be treated as such. They CHOSE to commit that gang rape, so they no longer deserve the luxury of civilized punishment.
"You are totally awesome bro."
Why thank you. You're not so bad yourself.
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Chazwozel
I...I...I think I have my first forum man crush.
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