Gun battle in Times Square (NYC), tourists think it's awesome

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SpecialKO

SpecialKO

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/10/police-shoot-man-at-hotel-in-times-square/

Thank god the gun jammed on the 3rd round. The tourists' comments are pretty effin' funny, if also kind of full of fail.

A tourist from Australia, Suzanne Davis, 42, stopped to take images with a video recorder. “It’s my first day in New York, so it makes very real what you see in the movies,” she said.
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EDIT:Coverage summary from Gothamist

Nothing much new except that it says that the guy died on the way to the hospital, and confirms that only one of the cops shot him, but others ran in to help disarm him, because he was still resisting.

Also mentions that his brother (previsouly mentioned as selling CDs with him) was arrested for jumping on a cop's back while they were disarming him.
 
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Deschain

Good thing our gun laws stopped him from getting his hands on that gun.
 
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Twitch

TeKeo said:
Regardless of where he got it, the tourists just seem a bit...off in their reaction, no?
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I wouldn't say so, every movie about New York has that happen so for that Australian who has never been here that makes the movies seem real.
 
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TeKeo;313999][quote=Twitch;313936][quote=TeKeo said:
Regardless of where he got it, the tourists just seem a bit...off in their reaction, no?
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I wouldn't say so, every movie about New York has that happen so for that Australian who has never been here that makes the movies seem real.[/quote]

Every? Really? :blue:[/QUOTE]
Your latching onto the phrasing there kind of indicates that there is no real discussion to be had here. Good day to you sir.
 
SpecialKO

SpecialKO

Oh please, you said it, not me. Then again, Sinatra was supposedly a bit ticked that Marlon Brando played the lead in Guys and Dolls, so you can be forgiven for ignoring it. :p

Doesn't it seem even remotely bizarre that after seeing a man gunned down, hopefully as a last resort (as it seems), that her thought is that it makes movies more real?

Perhaps she was in shock, but she was apparently taking picures just fine.

The tourist from Ireland is maybe mildly less freaky, but I wonder whether her comparing the excitement of the shooting to her losing her luggage and seeing Wicked is more the NYT blogger combining a much longer conversation together as if it were a single conversational element.
 
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Deschain

Considering he had a stolen weapon, it was going to be a lot more when the police arrested/frisked him.

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Although having the entire NY police force descend upon you is not a viable alternative either. Still, he could have done some damage had he killed the officer and decided to go on a murderous rampage with no one else to stop him...
 
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I think the guy had a deeper problem with the police than getting arrested for a minor charge, thus the note in his pocket.

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And the lead roll in Guys and Dolls should have been mine god damn it.
 
SpecialKO

SpecialKO

Twitch said:
I think the guy had a deeper problem with the police than getting arrested for a minor charge, thus the note in his pocket
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I'm no NYPD procedural expert, but they probably wouldn't even have arrested him for the CD-selling thing, just fined him and sent him on his way for doing it without a tax stamp.

I'm guessing that he freaked out that they might see the gun, which was at least apparently stolen, if not necessarily illegal if it was a semi-automatic.

I'm not saying it's logical, obviously, but that was probably the thought-process.

And the lead roll in Guys and Dolls should have been mine god damn it.
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I didn't know until I looked it up that "you" were originally the lead in On the Waterfront but the producer preferred Brando.

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Coverage summary from Gothamist

Nothing much new except that it says that the guy died on the way to the hospital, and confirms that only one of the cops shot him, but others ran in to help disarm him, because he was still resisting.

Also mentions that his brother (previsouly mentioned as selling CDs with him) was arrested for jumping on a cop's back while they were disarming him.
 
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Deschain

Also, this is why you don't trust an open-bolt SMG. He made a terrible choice of weapon.

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Also it's NYC, I'm sure that cop would not have let him go.
 
SpecialKO

SpecialKO

Deschain said:
Also it's NYC, I'm sure that cop would not have let him go.
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If he was anywhere but Midtown, I would agree, but the impression I've always gotten in Times Square is that cops there are more interested in keeping the pedestrian foot traffic moving.

If he hadn't run when they asked him for his tax stamp, they really might have just written him up a fine and told him to fuck off.
 
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TeKeo;314128][quote=Deschain said:
Also it's NYC, I'm sure that cop would not have let him go.
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If he was anywhere but Midtown, I would agree, but the impression I've always gotten in Times Square is that cops there are more interested in keeping the pedestrian foot traffic moving.

If he hadn't run when they asked him for his tax stamp, they really might have just written him up a fine and told him to fuck off.[/QUOTE]
But it doesn't matter, that guy didn't care. It's evident that he was just waiting for a chance to murder a cop and he viewed this as the perfect time.
 
SpecialKO

SpecialKO

Twitch;314142][quote=TeKeo;314128][quote=Deschain said:
Also it's NYC, I'm sure that cop would not have let him go.
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If he was anywhere but Midtown, I would agree, but the impression I've always gotten in Times Square is that cops there are more interested in keeping the pedestrian foot traffic moving.

If he hadn't run when they asked him for his tax stamp, they really might have just written him up a fine and told him to fuck off.[/QUOTE]
But it doesn't matter, that guy didn't care. It's evident that he was just waiting for a chance to murder a cop and he viewed this as the perfect time.[/QUOTE]

:eek:

You know, if people thought that those CD scammers were intimidating before....
 
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Hand-written on the back of the card, the police said, were these words: “I just finished watching ‘The Last Dragon.’ I feel sorry for a cop if he think I’m getting into his paddy wagon.”
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Good grief...
 
SpecialKO

SpecialKO

More updates.

Apparently, the gun was legally purchased in Virginia and is a semi-automatic knock-off of a genuine MAC-10, which jammed because he was shooting it sideways "gangsta-style".
 
sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

TeKeo said:
More updates.

Apparently, the gun was legally purchased in Virginia and is a semi-automatic knock-off of a genuine MAC-10, which jammed because he was shooting it sideways \"gangsta-style\".
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Shhh.... we want these gansta knuckleheads to keep to their bad habits. It makes it easier to take them down if they can not shoot straight.
 
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Deschain

Apparently, the gun was legally purchased in Virginia and is a semi-automatic knock-off of a genuine MAC-10, which jammed because he was shooting it sideways "gangsta-style".
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This is something to test the next time at the range. I'll feel immensely stupid, but much safer.
 
SpecialKO

SpecialKO

Deschain said:
Apparently, the gun was legally purchased in Virginia and is a semi-automatic knock-off of a genuine MAC-10, which jammed because he was shooting it sideways "gangsta-style".
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This is something to test the next time at the range. I'll feel immensely stupid, but much safer.
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Isn't this something potentially a bit dangerous to test yourself in a gun range?

You're by far the expert here (at least compared to me), but all the same... :eek:
 
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TeKeo;315074][quote=Deschain said:
Apparently, the gun was legally purchased in Virginia and is a semi-automatic knock-off of a genuine MAC-10, which jammed because he was shooting it sideways "gangsta-style".
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This is something to test the next time at the range. I'll feel immensely stupid, but much safer.
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Isn't this something potentially a bit dangerous to test yourself in a gun range?

You're by far the expert here (at least compared to me), but all the same... :eek:[/QUOTE]
It's not like it blows up, I've done this test, it was a few weeks back, with my glock and sure enough it stovepiped.
 
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Deschain

Stovepipes can be common depending if you're holding the gun improperly, using ammo that doesn't quite fit, or your gun/extractor is dirty. A stovepipe is where the bullet fires properly, simply the casing does not eject all the way and gets caught when the slide moves forward again. The proper method for clearing it is tap the magazine into place, pull the slide back to free the shell and knock it out. It should rechamber a round afterwards.

Unless it's a glock. Then you're plumb out of luck because it will explode. That's why they're called glocknades or glocksplosions.
 
Officer_Charon

Officer_Charon

Don't y'all know? They fire it sideways, because that's the way it comes out of the box? *chuckles*

In all seriousness, as previously stated, NYPD has bigger fish to put in jail than a couple panhandlers/ petty cd scam-artists. They would have been handed a citation/summons and released. Buddy had the card because pretty much every single thuglet I deal with has something similar on them. I'd say it's about 90% have something on them to write on, and they scribble crappy rap lyrics (is there any other kind?) whenever they get the urge to write. I guess they're all aspiring rappers or somesuch

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Unless it's a glock. Then you're plumb out of luck because it will explode. That's why they're called glocknades or glocksplosions.
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Check your intel, boyo. My department uses Glocks, in several different flavors. I've heard of many instances of stovepiping, for various reasons (usually due to poor maintenance, or utilizing too much CLP when cleaning) - never heard of one exploding.
 
Officer_Charon

Officer_Charon

Deschain said:
http://www.wtov9.com/news/21866969/detail.html

I'm still on the lookout for an AKplosion.
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Fair enough... one example, although there was nothing in the article that indicated it was a problem with the pistol itself.

Something like that... hrm... I could see it as being an issue with the extractor failing, but still feeding a round. During a course of fire, the firing pin would strike, fire the round, but the bullet would have nowhere to go.

Come to think of it, a badly fouled barrel might have a similar effect. Buildup of gas pressure in the chamber would cause the polymer to crack, venting waste gas as indicated.

So, not necessarily caused by the weapon, but the maintenance thereof.


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Deschain

Yea I'm not going to lie, I have an irrational hatred for glocks despite the fact they're probably one of the better handguns out there. The ammunition was probably loaded wrongly at the factory. The AK jam has left me to believe there is no God though.
 
sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

All the Glock failures were do to improper loading of the round that goes in the chamber. If you use the same two rounds when arming your Glock, the round will seat further down the casing. This happens because the ramp that guides the round into the chamber has a notch between the ramp and chamber. A hollow point duty round hits that notch every time you load it. Over time that force will finally push the round too far back. Then when it gets fired for the first time after several dozen of these repeated chamberings, the round gets stuck in the case and the force of the powder gets forced out the back of the breach.

User error with guns is a little worse than user error with a PC.

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Technical personnel at Glock Inc. advise that repeated chambering of the same round may cause the bullet to move deeper in the casing, further compacting the prpellent. When a normal cartride is fired, the firing pin his the primer, igniting the propellant. When the propellant burns, the gas pressure drives the bullet out of the case and down the barrel. However, if the propellant has been compact, the pressure may increase beyond the gun's specifications, causing the weapon to break apart. Sigarms Inc's peronnel confirm that reloading the same round five or six times will cause the problems, noting that reloading the same round even once will void their warranty. Both manufacturers stress that the problem is not with the gun, but with chambering the same round repeatedly.
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more technical than I am.
 
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