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Never heard of Keith Olbermann, and glad I didn't. Sounds like the same old "The other guys are ruining everything!" only wearing a donkey suit.
Never heard of Keith Olbermann, and glad I didn't. Sounds like the same old "The other guys are ruining everything!" only wearing a donkey suit.[/QUOTE]
Pretty close, but with a touch of envy of Edward R. Murrow.
People, you've got it all wrong. Olbermann is not the liberal version of Beck. He's the liberal version of O'Reilly. Bill Maher is the liberal version of Glenn Beck. It goes like this:
Glenn Beck - Bill Maher
Bill O'Reilly - Keith Olbermann
Rush Limbaugh - Rachel Maddow
Ann Coulter - Rosie O'Donnell
They're all just two sides of a coin.
Glenn Beck - Bill Maher
Bill O'Reilly - Keith Olbermann
Rush Limbaugh - Rachel Maddow
Ann Coulter - Rosie O'Donnell
They're all just two sides of a coin.
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JONJONAUG
I haven't seen anything about Stewart using comedy as a shield besides this either, but he does say quite often that people shouldn't be using the Daily Show as a primary source of news.
As a source of government hypocrisy or really poor journalistic integrity though, it's usually right on the ball (what's hilarious is that the Daily Show often is to journalism what journalism is supposed to be to politics. The interviews they do at the end of each show are also often pretty informative (the Census guy they had on last night really tore down everything).
Oh, that reminds me about another thing.
My dad listens to Fox News and Limbaugh all the time. As a result, he thought before receiving his Census form that it would include questions on income, how many cars he owned, etc. This was despite the Census office stating repeatedly what questions would be on the Census. He also seemed to be under the impression that Congress had no power to ask anything other than how many people were living in a location even though the Constitution gives Congress the power to take a Census however they want. In one of the most hilarious chain e-mails he ever sent me (which also cited Fox News), I saw a Tea Party member reading from a pocket sized version of the Constitution, who then proceeded to ignore the part where it says Congress can take a Census "in such Manner as they shall by Law direct".
Beck and his ilk spread misinformation in a manner that is intended to cater to an audience who doesn't want to accept that America has changing standards and values, to the point where they will ignore the Constitution to say that someone is ignoring the Constitution. By not reporting facts and doing so in such a hateful manner, they only serve to destabilize the public and are an incredibly irresponsible source of journalism.
It doesn't matter if it is done on Comedy Central or not, Beck deserves everything he got there.
GasBandit
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You only think it's reaching because it "tears apart your arguments like tissue paper." The point is, he's doing X while saying he's doing Y.
GasBandit
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Please give me exact quotes on how Limbaugh is supposedly "batshit insane."
You only think it's reaching because it "tears apart your arguments like tissue paper." The point is, he's doing X while saying he's doing Y.[/QUOTE]
Don't let reality hurt your argument. I like that about you Gas. Nothing gets in the way of your misinformation.
I'll admit the Limbaugh/Maddow comparison is a little off, but it's roughly equivalent. I've seen Maddow go off the deep end a few times.
GasBandit
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or, in other words,Don't let reality hurt your argument. I like that about you Gas. Nothing gets in the way of your misinformation.
or, in other words,Don't let reality hurt your argument. I like that about you Gas. Nothing gets in the way of your misinformation.
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I blame Texas on making you like this. Something in the air.
I live in Texas and am rather liberal, but when I lived in California I was more conservative. One of those mysteries of the universe type of things.
I live in Texas and am rather liberal, but when I lived in California I was more conservative. One of those mysteries of the universe type of things.
[/QUOTE]Being Conservative isn't bad, just being crazy. I think the air awakened Gas' inner crazy.
I live in Texas and am rather liberal, but when I lived in California I was more conservative. One of those mysteries of the universe type of things.
[/QUOTE]B/c folks in Texas are mostly conservative (except Austin/Charlie) and folks in Cali are mostly liberal?
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WolfOfOdin
Sweet lord Gas, lay off the Reducto Ad Absurdism. You're going beyond argument here and delving into conspiracy theory
To Krisken, I saw Olbermann once, viewed him as a liberal Beck with a fake tan.
To Krisken, I saw Olbermann once, viewed him as a liberal Beck with a fake tan.
that's...that's really accurate. Explains why I hate Maher (you and your jokes are not funny. at all) and find myself occassionally smiling when I hear something from Beck. They both have the exact same sense of humor but with opposite viewpoints.
Has she ever made fun of people with serious diseases?!
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WolfOfOdin
To Limbaugh: Want to know why I loathe this man? He called any soldier who doesn't support the war in Iraq phonies and wannabe traitors or cowards. FUCK HIM. Anyone who's lost a limb or two to Iraq can say what they damn well please about the war.
Besides that, the man's a virulent hypocrite, calling for the execution of drug users when he himself had a drug problem, calling for war when he used a medical excuse to dodge Vietnam.
Besides that, the man's a virulent hypocrite, calling for the execution of drug users when he himself had a drug problem, calling for war when he used a medical excuse to dodge Vietnam.
Well, I live in Austin, so it's not like I am surrounded by conservatives. I just find it funny that when I was in California, a place brought out for being heavy liberal, I was actually more conservative, and when I moved to a state known to be more conservative, I turned more liberal. Guess I like to go against the grain. Then again, Prop 8 did pass in California, which blew my mind.
Though enough further derailment, I just wish we as a nation would, you know, work together. I am tired of watching so many people draw lines.
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WolfOfOdin
Well, I live in Austin, so it's not like I am surrounded by conservatives. I just find it funny that when I was in California, a place brought out for being heavy liberal, I was actually more conservative, and when I moved to a state known to be more conservative, I turned more liberal. Guess I like to go against the grain. Then again, Prop 8 did pass in California, which blew my mind.[/QUOTE]
Prop 8 passed due to the Moral Majority marshaling every ounce of their resources, Scythe. One of many things about the far right which deeply disturbs me.
GasBandit
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Except that's not what he said. He was talking about a specific person who pretended to be a soldier in order to lend his anti-war views (which were being held up by the left as "See?! This soldier HATES THE WAR IN IRAQ!") more authority.
\\"Rush Limbaugh\\" said:Here is a Morning Update that we did recently, talking about fake soldiers. This is a story of who the left props up as heroes. They have their celebrities and one of them was Army Ranger Jesse MacBeth. Now, he was a \\"corporal.\\" I say in quotes. Twenty-three years old. What made Jesse MacBeth a hero to the anti-war crowd wasn't his Purple Heart; it wasn't his being affiliated with post-traumatic stress disorder from tours in Afghanistan and Iraq. No. What made Jesse MacBeth, Army Ranger, a hero to the left was his courage, in their view, off the battlefield, without regard to consequences. He told the world the abuses he had witnessed in Iraq, American soldiers killing unarmed civilians, hundreds of men, women, even children. In one gruesome account, translated into Arabic and spread widely across the Internet, Army Ranger Jesse MacBeth describes the horrors this way: \\"We would burn their bodies. We would hang their bodies from the rafters in the mosque.\\"
Now, recently, Jesse MacBeth, poster boy for the anti-war left, had his day in court. And you know what? He was sentenced to five months in jail and three years probation for falsifying a Department of Veterans Affairs claim and his Army discharge record. He was in the Army. Jesse MacBeth was in the Army, folks, briefly. Forty-four days before he washed out of boot camp. Jesse MacBeth isn't an Army Ranger, never was. He isn't a corporal, never was. He never won the Purple Heart, and he was never in combat to witness the horrors he claimed to have seen. You probably haven't even heard about this. And, if you have, you haven't heard much about it. This doesn't fit the narrative and the template in the Drive-By Media and the Democrat Party as to who is a genuine war hero. Don't look for any retractions, by the way. Not from the anti-war left, the anti-military Drive-By Media, or the Arabic websites that spread Jesse MacBeth's lies about our troops, because the truth for the left is fiction that serves their purpose.
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JONJONAUG
Please give me exact quotes on how Limbaugh is supposedly "batshit insane."[/QUOTE]
You're kidding, right?
OK then.
Claims that President Obama wants to ban fishing
Still claims that the health care bill has "death panels"
Claims that anti-government protests in Thailand are actually about a future visit by President Obama
Claims that the White House exploits Haiti donations through its website when in fact all that was on the White House web site were links to charitable organizations
Advises listeners to falsify Census documents by filling in "American" as race, while saying "What other races could there be?!", while at the same time joking that "They've got races I've never even heard of on there!"
Compares Nancy Pelosi to terrorists who use children as suicide bombers
Cherry picking. He clearly says the caller who disagrees about staying in Iraq is a phony soldier.
He says "phony soldiers". His words. When you cherry pick the info, of course it supports your point of view.
This is why it's hard to take you seriously, Gas. You're not interested in a conversation, just the back and forth.
He says "phony soldiers". His words. When you cherry pick the info, of course it supports your point of view.
This is why it's hard to take you seriously, Gas. You're not interested in a conversation, just the back and forth.
also because African-Americans just really really hate homosexuals
Well, in Gas' defense he's pretty clear on the fact that he likes to argue.
Well, in Gas' defense he's pretty clear on the fact that he likes to argue.[/QUOTE]
Well, that makes his intentionally misleading arguments ok then!
Please give me exact quotes on how Limbaugh is supposedly "batshit insane."[/QUOTE]
You're kidding, right?
OK then.
Claims that President Obama wants to ban fishing
Still claims that the health care bill has "death panels"
Claims that anti-government protests in Thailand are actually about a future visit by President Obama
Claims that the White House exploits Haiti donations through its website when in fact all that was on the White House web site were links to charitable organizations
Advises listeners to falsify Census documents by filling in "American" as race, while saying "What other races could there be?!", while at the same time joking that "They've got races I've never even heard of on there!"
Compares Nancy Pelosi to terrorists who use children as suicide bombers[/QUOTE]
I think you're confusing "insane" with "lying asshole"...
Well, in Gas' defense he's pretty clear on the fact that he likes to argue.[/QUOTE]
Well, that makes his intentionally misleading arguments ok then![/QUOTE]
Okay, I think I took a wrong turn somewhere...
GasBandit
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Amazing how many of those links come from mediamatters, an avowed left-wing site that Hillary Clinton brags about starting. They're notorious for constantly misrepresenting right wingers.
And the fishing thing was clearly meant to be a laugh.
And the fishing thing was clearly meant to be a laugh.
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JONJONAUG
I'll agree with you there.
Which is why I specifically chose articles with audio links that I couldn't see any way they could be acceptable even in context (comparing Nancy Pelosi to terrorists who use children as suicide bombers), or provided enough context before and after the headline quote (the Census caller, death panels).
Media Matters is pretty far left wing in their articles, but in their video and audio samples they usually provide enough context for the person browsing the site to draw their own conclusions.
I thought most of media matters was unedited exact quotes, soundbites, and video of people saying terrible things.
also because African-Americans just really really hate homosexuals[/QUOTE]
I think my sarcasm meter is broken again. Because that is one of the most racist things I've read here.
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JONJONAUG
They do a good deal of article writing and blogging. The parts you mentioned are the main attraction of the site though, and are usually right on the ball.
By their own admission their blogs can have some spin in them, but considering that their approach to posting audio and video clips is "post unedited and let viewer decide" I consider it a good deal better than Fox News's "We report, you decide (after our own long rants about how what we just reported on is destroying America)".
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