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STEWARTTTTT.....

That was brilliant. It concerns me a little that people take Beck seriously.

Good old Gold, Guns and God - Beck.

He's not trying to sell us anything.

Krisken said:

That was brilliant. It concerns me a little that people take Beck seriously.

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People take Glenn Beck seriously? I thought he was another media joke/ parody of an actual human being like Ann Coulte, Bill O'Riley, or Rush Limbaugh.

Chazwozel;356801][QUOTE=Krisken said:

That was brilliant. It concerns me a little that people take Beck seriously.

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People take Glenn Beck seriously? I thought he was another media joke/ parody of an actual human being like Ann Coulte, Bill O'Riley, or Rush Limbaugh.[/QUOTE]
I think there is a portion of society that does, yeah. Most of us rational types tend to blow him off as some weird form of entertainment. Don't underestimate the number of weirdos who take him seriously, though.

Just look at the Tea Party Movement.

Not that I am trying to defend Beck, but they are a hell of a lot more folks that take Jon Stewart seriously. They actually get all their news/info from him, and believe what is coming out of his mouth to be the truth. Neither have any credentials. Both have teams of writers and producers telling them what to say.

I actually used to listen to Beck on the radio before he had a tv show. It honestly was funny. It was much like the Daily Show. He has slowly started to get more and more melodramatic, and a bit of a alarmist now that he has a tv show. I guess the crazier you are, the higher ratings you get.

I've never watched Glenn Beck (I can't remember the last time I watched actual TV, thanks internet), but I do have this to say about John Stewart -

He's funny, sure. But he's a coward. He makes forays into politics with the satirical ad hominem as his shiniest sword, and when people call him on his shenanigans, he whips out his magic shield - "hey, I'm just a comedian, YOU'RE supposed to be the journalist." He's having his cake and eating it too. And if he's "just a comedian," why does he focus 99% of his goofy-faced pseudointellectual passive-aggressiveness solely on the likes of dubya or Beck? It's because he has an agenda... and in our current age of snark-trumps-all, the mushbrain demographic eats it up because "he's funny so he must be right and smart and true and I'd vote for him hell I'd let him have me if he wanted." Nevermind that he's got enough writers behind him to populate a couple baseball teams.

Isn't that the point? He's right. His job is to make fun of these people, not write policy. I mean, you could substitute any media icon of any party in that last paragraph and it's still true. Substitute "vitriol" for "snark", etc. He uses comedy instead of snipe attacks or pure anger like O'Reilly or Beck. The thing that makes him better at his job is that he never claims to be anything more. In fact, he comes out and says he doesn't intend to do anything more.

"He's got writers!" Is this a thing, now? If I want to shit on someone's day, I should pull this line out? Cause I could probably make use of it if it is:

Palin writes a sentence: "She's got writers!"
Dubya makes war: "He's got advisers!"
Bill Gates announces an iPhone killer: "He's got geeks!"
I get laid: "He's got hookers!"

fade said:

Isn't that the point? He's right. His job is to make fun of these people, not write policy. I mean, you could substitute any media icon of any party in that last paragraph and it's still true. Substitute "vitriol" for "snark", etc. He uses comedy instead of snipe attacks or pure anger like O'Reilly or Beck. The thing that makes him better at his job is that he never claims to be anything more. In fact, he comes out and says he doesn't intend to do anything more.

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But he's lying, is my point. He does have an agenda, he IS trying to influence policy, just as much as O'Reilly or Beck.

Gruebeard said:

"He's got writers!" Is this a thing, now?

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It's been "a thing" for a long time now, people on this very board have long been using it to disparage Rush Limbaugh.

It's a stupid thing. Everyone has writers. Mine just happen to be on strike. Fucking unions.

100% agree with Fade. People that aim against John Stewart are just whining. Though, I will point out, it's just as stupid to get your news from The Daily Show then from Beck, Limbaugh or Fox News.

Stewart is funny as hell, but he's an entertainer. So is Beck, so is Limbaugh and so is O'Reilly. I try to get my news from the BBC as a rule though >_>

drawn_inward said:

I actually used to listen to Beck on the radio before he had a tv show. It honestly was funny. It was much like the Daily Show. He has slowly started to get more and more melodramatic, and a bit of a alarmist now that he has a tv show. I guess the crazier you are, the higher ratings you get.

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I did too. I still can't quite wrap my mind around the fact that the blubbering piece of shit is the same guy I used to think was funny made his point rather intelligently even if I didn't agree with his conclusion he at least made sense of himself.

Now adays he is just a ranting raving idiotic bastard who says whatever fool thing pops into his head.

Colbert > Stewart.

Mostly because Colbert's satire and impersonation is a lot more entertaining that Stewart's "aren't Republicans morons" approach.

ElJuski said:

100% agree with Fade. People that aim against John Stewart are just whining. Though, I will point out, it's just as stupid to get your news from The Daily Show then from Beck, Limbaugh or Fox News.

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That's something John pointed out in an interview, though. The jokes are based on the news. Understanding the joke kinda requires people to understand where the joke is and be somewhat informed on the news.

So yeah, it is dumb to get the news from The Daily Show, but I have no problem having Stewart mocking Republicans and Democrats when they act like blithering imbeciles.

It seems to me that it's now all "aren't TV people morons." And I'm getting tired of that because it's so inward looking. As annoying as movies about movie making and novels about novelists.

WolfOfOdin said:

Stewart is funny as hell, but he's an entertainer. So is Beck, so is Limbaugh and so is O'Reilly. I try to get my news from the BBC as a rule though >_>

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Beck, Limbaugh, and O'Reilly are news pundits. They're supposed to be reporters; not entertainers.

That is a good point, Krisken. He spends a good chunk of each episode making fun of Dems, too. I mean, he's clearly left biased, and makes no attempt to hide it. But he will tear into democrats--even guests--too.

Chazwozel;356892][QUOTE=WolfOfOdin said:

Stewart is funny as hell, but he's an entertainer. So is Beck, so is Limbaugh and so is O'Reilly. I try to get my news from the BBC as a rule though >_>

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Beck, Limbaugh, and O'Reilly are news pundits. They're supposed to be reporters; not entertainers.[/QUOTE]

Supposed to be isn't the same thing as is. /Bill Clinton

People, it's JON Stewart, no H. U_U


That being said... Jon's left leaning is obvious, yes, but that doesn't mean he stays his tongue when it's time to rip the Democrats a new one. That's actually what I like about the Daily Show, they rip EVERYONE a new one, much like South Park does. They mock white, gay, black, asian, republican, democrat, libertarian. And that's healthy... people NEED to see the flaws in everyone, so they can do something about it.. or at the very least be aware of them.

For me the telling thing is this: Jon Stewart airs on COMEDY CENTRAL. Glenn Beck airs on FOX NEWS.

Chazwozel;356801][QUOTE=Krisken said:

That was brilliant. It concerns me a little that people take Beck seriously.

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People take Glenn Beck seriously? I thought he was another media joke/ parody of an actual human being like Ann Coulte, Bill O'Riley, or Rush Limbaugh.[/QUOTE]

My dad takes all of these people seriously.

Every time I come home I have to listen to Beck, O'Riley, Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage (as in: that guy that isn't allowed to go to the UK due to being a racist scumbag), and others of their ilk all day every day. It is why I don't come home very often outside of holidays.

GasBandit said:

It's been "a thing" for a long time now, people on this very board have long been using it to disparage Rush Limbaugh.

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I use it to disparage Limbaugh not because he's got writers but because the ones I know personally are comedy writers! While I realize Stewart has comedy writers, too, he presents his as comedy and Rush presents his as facts rather than comedic opinion.

And THAT'S why Limbaugh gets disparaged for using writers.

Dave;356952][QUOTE=GasBandit said:

It's been "a thing" for a long time now, people on this very board have long been using it to disparage Rush Limbaugh.

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I use it to disparage Limbaugh not because he's got writers but because the ones I know personally are comedy writers! While I realize Stewart has comedy writers, too, he presents his as comedy and Rush presents his as facts rather than comedic opinion.[/QUOTE]

No, Stewart presents them as implied "funny" truth until someone calls him on it and then he whips out the "just comedy" shield. And that's why he's a coward.

Dude, he calls the show "fake news" for a reason. When has he EVER said he was more than a comedian?

You just don't like him because he tears your arguments apart like tissue paper.

The one clip where I saw him use comedy as a "shield", the people interviewing him didn't say his opinions were wrong, they just said he wasn't doing anything about it, to which he replied, "that's not my job".

The guys at Weekend Update are cowards too!!

Dave said:

You just don't like him because he tears your arguments apart like tissue paper.

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And does it in an entertaining way.

I watch The Daily Show because sometimes I need to laugh at politics, otherwise I can't stay sane. I hate Beck, O'Riley, and Limbaugh not because they are conservative, but that they work by ENRAGING the audience towards their causes by spreading such vitriol. It further polarizes our nation to "us and them", and if they had a liberal "equivalent" of the Beck show I would hate it just as much.

Calleja said:

The guys at Weekend Update are cowards too!!

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yeah! As well as Conan, Leno, Letterman, Fallon, Kilbourn, and Kimmel. Yellow bastards!

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ScytheRexx;356962][QUOTE=Dave said:

You just don't like him because he tears your arguments apart like tissue paper.

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And does it in an entertaining way.

I watch The Daily Show because sometimes I need to laugh at politics, otherwise I can't stay sane. I hate Beck, O'Riley, and Limbaugh not because they are conservative, but that they work by ENRAGING the audience towards their causes by spreading such vitriol. It further polarizes our nation to "us and them", and if they had a liberal "equivalent" of the Beck show I would hate it just as much.[/QUOTE]
I call it Keith Olbermann. Can't stand watching him either.

Dave said:

Dude, he calls the show "fake news" for a reason. When has he EVER said he was more than a comedian?

You just don't like him because he tears your arguments apart like tissue paper.

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That's false on a number of levels:

1) he's never addressed "my arguments."
2) he "says" fake news, but he what he DOES is actually issues advocacy and ad hominem for the specific purpose of advancing a democrat agenda in a funny manner, as is clearly shown by the bias that he displays so thick that even Wonkette called him on it. If I stab you repeatedly in the throat while making a goofy face and saying "I'm not murdering you, I'm just being funny!" it doesn't get me off the hook either.

GasBandit said:

2) he "says" fake news, but he what he DOES is actually issues advocacy and ad hominem for the specific purpose of advancing a democrat agenda in a funny manner, as is clearly shown by the bias that he displays so thick that even Wonkette called him on it. If I stab you repeatedly in the throat while making a goofy face and saying "I'm not murdering you, I'm just being funny!" it doesn't get me off the hook either.

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Did you really just compare satire with murder? Really?

Murder = Opinion.

Even for you that's reaching, Gas.

You'd get your own show but people would be too busy saying, "Daww!" at the ewok to take you seriously.

Yeah, Keith Olbermann is a liberal Beck, and he's just as annoying and idiotic. The problem is that it seems the right has like... 10 of these people, and the left usually has almost only comedians, who end up attacking both sides anyway.

Calleja said:

Yeah, Keith Olbermann is a liberal Beck, and he's just as annoying and idiotic. The problem is that it seems the right has like... 10 of these people, and the left usually has almost only comedians, who end up attacking both sides anyway.

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Never heard of Keith Olbermann, and glad I didn't. Sounds like the same old "The other guys are ruining everything!" only wearing a donkey suit.

ScytheRexx;356987][QUOTE=Calleja said:

Yeah, Keith Olbermann is a liberal Beck, and he's just as annoying and idiotic. The problem is that it seems the right has like... 10 of these people, and the left usually has almost only comedians, who end up attacking both sides anyway.

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Never heard of Keith Olbermann, and glad I didn't. Sounds like the same old "The other guys are ruining everything!" only wearing a donkey suit.[/QUOTE]
Pretty close, but with a touch of envy of Edward R. Murrow.

People, you've got it all wrong. Olbermann is not the liberal version of Beck. He's the liberal version of O'Reilly. Bill Maher is the liberal version of Glenn Beck. It goes like this:

Glenn Beck - Bill Maher
Bill O'Reilly - Keith Olbermann
Rush Limbaugh - Rachel Maddow
Ann Coulter - Rosie O'Donnell

They're all just two sides of a coin.

fade said:

The one clip where I saw him use comedy as a \"shield\", the people interviewing him didn't say his opinions were wrong, they just said he wasn't doing anything about it, to which he replied, \"that's not my job\".

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I haven't seen anything about Stewart using comedy as a shield besides this either, but he does say quite often that people shouldn't be using the Daily Show as a primary source of news.

As a source of government hypocrisy or really poor journalistic integrity though, it's usually right on the ball (what's hilarious is that the Daily Show often is to journalism what journalism is supposed to be to politics. The interviews they do at the end of each show are also often pretty informative (the Census guy they had on last night really tore down everything).

Oh, that reminds me about another thing.

My dad listens to Fox News and Limbaugh all the time. As a result, he thought before receiving his Census form that it would include questions on income, how many cars he owned, etc. This was despite the Census office stating repeatedly what questions would be on the Census. He also seemed to be under the impression that Congress had no power to ask anything other than how many people were living in a location even though the Constitution gives Congress the power to take a Census however they want. In one of the most hilarious chain e-mails he ever sent me (which also cited Fox News), I saw a Tea Party member reading from a pocket sized version of the Constitution, who then proceeded to ignore the part where it says Congress can take a Census "in such Manner as they shall by Law direct".

Beck and his ilk spread misinformation in a manner that is intended to cater to an audience who doesn't want to accept that America has changing standards and values, to the point where they will ignore the Constitution to say that someone is ignoring the Constitution. By not reporting facts and doing so in such a hateful manner, they only serve to destabilize the public and are an incredibly irresponsible source of journalism.

It doesn't matter if it is done on Comedy Central or not, Beck deserves everything he got there.

Dave said:

Murder = Opinion.

Even for you that's reaching, Gas.

You'd get your own show but people would be too busy saying, "Daww!" at the ewok to take you seriously.

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You only think it's reaching because it "tears apart your arguments like tissue paper." The point is, he's doing X while saying he's doing Y.

hmm.. is Maddow really as batshit insane as Limbaugh? I don't know, dude.

Calleja said:

hmm.. is Maddow really as batshit insane as Limbaugh? I don't know, dude.

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Please give me exact quotes on how Limbaugh is supposedly "batshit insane."

GasBandit;356996][QUOTE=Dave said:

Murder = Opinion.

Even for you that's reaching, Gas.

You'd get your own show but people would be too busy saying, "Daww!" at the ewok to take you seriously.

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You only think it's reaching because it "tears apart your arguments like tissue paper." The point is, he's doing X while saying he's doing Y.[/QUOTE]
Don't let reality hurt your argument. I like that about you Gas. Nothing gets in the way of your misinformation.

Calleja said:

hmm.. is Maddow really as batshit insane as Limbaugh? I don't know, dude.

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I'll admit the Limbaugh/Maddow comparison is a little off, but it's roughly equivalent. I've seen Maddow go off the deep end a few times.

Krisken said:

Don't let reality hurt your argument. I like that about you Gas. Nothing gets in the way of your misinformation.

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or, in other words,

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Nuh uh!

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GasBandit;357004][QUOTE=Krisken said:

Don't let reality hurt your argument. I like that about you Gas. Nothing gets in the way of your misinformation.

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or, in other words,

Krisken said:

Nuh uh!

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I blame Texas on making you like this. Something in the air.

Krisken said:

I blame Texas on making you like this. Something in the air.

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I live in Texas and am rather liberal, but when I lived in California I was more conservative. One of those mysteries of the universe type of things.

ScytheRexx;357008][QUOTE=Krisken said:

I blame Texas on making you like this. Something in the air.

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I live in Texas and am rather liberal, but when I lived in California I was more conservative. One of those mysteries of the universe type of things. [/QUOTE]
Being Conservative isn't bad, just being crazy. I think the air awakened Gas' inner crazy.

ScytheRexx;357008][QUOTE=Krisken said:

I blame Texas on making you like this. Something in the air.

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I live in Texas and am rather liberal, but when I lived in California I was more conservative. One of those mysteries of the universe type of things. [/QUOTE]

B/c folks in Texas are mostly conservative (except Austin/Charlie) and folks in Cali are mostly liberal?

Sweet lord Gas, lay off the Reducto Ad Absurdism. You're going beyond argument here and delving into conspiracy theory

To Krisken, I saw Olbermann once, viewed him as a liberal Beck with a fake tan.

He definitely distorts the truth and cherry picks info to support his views, but from what I had seen doesn't have as many conspiracy theories as Beck. I admit it's been a long time since I've been able to tolerate him, though.

A Troll said:

People, you've got it all wrong. Olbermann is not the liberal version of Beck. He's the liberal version of O'Reilly. Bill Maher is the liberal version of Glenn Beck. It goes like this:

Glenn Beck - Bill Maher
Bill O'Reilly - Keith Olbermann
Rush Limbaugh - Rachel Maddow
Ann Coulter - Rosie O'Donnell

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that's...that's really accurate. Explains why I hate Maher (you and your jokes are not funny. at all) and find myself occassionally smiling when I hear something from Beck. They both have the exact same sense of humor but with opposite viewpoints.

Calleja said:

hmm.. is Maddow really as batshit insane as Limbaugh? I don't know, dude.

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Has she ever made fun of people with serious diseases?!

To Limbaugh: Want to know why I loathe this man? He called any soldier who doesn't support the war in Iraq phonies and wannabe traitors or cowards. FUCK HIM. Anyone who's lost a limb or two to Iraq can say what they damn well please about the war.

Besides that, the man's a virulent hypocrite, calling for the execution of drug users when he himself had a drug problem, calling for war when he used a medical excuse to dodge Vietnam.

drawn_inward said:

B/c folks in Texas are mostly conservative (except Austin/Charlie) and folks in Cali are mostly liberal?

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Well, I live in Austin, so it's not like I am surrounded by conservatives. I just find it funny that when I was in California, a place brought out for being heavy liberal, I was actually more conservative, and when I moved to a state known to be more conservative, I turned more liberal. Guess I like to go against the grain. Then again, Prop 8 did pass in California, which blew my mind.

Though enough further derailment, I just wish we as a nation would, you know, work together. I am tired of watching so many people draw lines.

ScytheRexx;357047][QUOTE=drawn_inward said:

B/c folks in Texas are mostly conservative (except Austin/Charlie) and folks in Cali are mostly liberal?

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Well, I live in Austin, so it's not like I am surrounded by conservatives. I just find it funny that when I was in California, a place brought out for being heavy liberal, I was actually more conservative, and when I moved to a state known to be more conservative, I turned more liberal. Guess I like to go against the grain. Then again, Prop 8 did pass in California, which blew my mind.[/QUOTE]

Prop 8 passed due to the Moral Majority marshaling every ounce of their resources, Scythe. One of many things about the far right which deeply disturbs me.

WolfOfOdin said:

To Limbaugh: Want to know why I loathe this man? He called any soldier who doesn't support the war in Iraq phonies and wannabe traitors or cowards. FUCK HIM.

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Except that's not what he said. He was talking about a specific person who pretended to be a soldier in order to lend his anti-war views (which were being held up by the left as "See?! This soldier HATES THE WAR IN IRAQ!") more authority.

\\"Rush Limbaugh\\" said:

Here is a Morning Update that we did recently, talking about fake soldiers. This is a story of who the left props up as heroes. They have their celebrities and one of them was Army Ranger Jesse MacBeth. Now, he was a \\"corporal.\\" I say in quotes. Twenty-three years old. What made Jesse MacBeth a hero to the anti-war crowd wasn't his Purple Heart; it wasn't his being affiliated with post-traumatic stress disorder from tours in Afghanistan and Iraq. No. What made Jesse MacBeth, Army Ranger, a hero to the left was his courage, in their view, off the battlefield, without regard to consequences. He told the world the abuses he had witnessed in Iraq, American soldiers killing unarmed civilians, hundreds of men, women, even children. In one gruesome account, translated into Arabic and spread widely across the Internet, Army Ranger Jesse MacBeth describes the horrors this way: \\"We would burn their bodies. We would hang their bodies from the rafters in the mosque.\\"

Now, recently, Jesse MacBeth, poster boy for the anti-war left, had his day in court. And you know what? He was sentenced to five months in jail and three years probation for falsifying a Department of Veterans Affairs claim and his Army discharge record. He was in the Army. Jesse MacBeth was in the Army, folks, briefly. Forty-four days before he washed out of boot camp. Jesse MacBeth isn't an Army Ranger, never was. He isn't a corporal, never was. He never won the Purple Heart, and he was never in combat to witness the horrors he claimed to have seen. You probably haven't even heard about this. And, if you have, you haven't heard much about it. This doesn't fit the narrative and the template in the Drive-By Media and the Democrat Party as to who is a genuine war hero. Don't look for any retractions, by the way. Not from the anti-war left, the anti-military Drive-By Media, or the Arabic websites that spread Jesse MacBeth's lies about our troops, because the truth for the left is fiction that serves their purpose.

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GasBandit;356998][QUOTE=Calleja said:

hmm.. is Maddow really as batshit insane as Limbaugh? I don't know, dude.

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Please give me exact quotes on how Limbaugh is supposedly "batshit insane."[/QUOTE]

You're kidding, right?

OK then.

Claims that President Obama wants to ban fishing

Still claims that the health care bill has "death panels"

Claims that anti-government protests in Thailand are actually about a future visit by President Obama

Claims that the White House exploits Haiti donations through its website when in fact all that was on the White House web site were links to charitable organizations

Advises listeners to falsify Census documents by filling in "American" as race, while saying "What other races could there be?!", while at the same time joking that "They've got races I've never even heard of on there!"

Compares Nancy Pelosi to terrorists who use children as suicide bombers

Cherry picking. He clearly says the caller who disagrees about staying in Iraq is a phony soldier.

He says "phony soldiers". His words. When you cherry pick the info, of course it supports your point of view.

This is why it's hard to take you seriously, Gas. You're not interested in a conversation, just the back and forth.

WolfOfOdin said:

Prop 8 passed due to the Moral Majority marshaling every ounce of their resources, Scythe. One of many things about the far right which deeply disturbs me.

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also because African-Americans just really really hate homosexuals

Krisken said:

This is why it's hard to take you seriously, Gas. You're not interested in a conversation, just the back and forth.

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Well, in Gas' defense he's pretty clear on the fact that he likes to argue.

A Troll;357066][QUOTE=Krisken said:

This is why it's hard to take you seriously, Gas. You're not interested in a conversation, just the back and forth.

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Well, in Gas' defense he's pretty clear on the fact that he likes to argue.[/QUOTE]
Well, that makes his intentionally misleading arguments ok then!

JONJONAUG;357058][QUOTE=GasBandit;356998][QUOTE=Calleja said:

hmm.. is Maddow really as batshit insane as Limbaugh? I don't know, dude.

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Please give me exact quotes on how Limbaugh is supposedly "batshit insane."[/QUOTE]

You're kidding, right?

OK then.

Claims that President Obama wants to ban fishing

Still claims that the health care bill has "death panels"

Claims that anti-government protests in Thailand are actually about a future visit by President Obama

Claims that the White House exploits Haiti donations through its website when in fact all that was on the White House web site were links to charitable organizations

Advises listeners to falsify Census documents by filling in "American" as race, while saying "What other races could there be?!", while at the same time joking that "They've got races I've never even heard of on there!"

Compares Nancy Pelosi to terrorists who use children as suicide bombers[/QUOTE]

I think you're confusing "insane" with "lying asshole"...

Krisken;357068][QUOTE=A Troll;357066][QUOTE=Krisken said:

This is why it's hard to take you seriously, Gas. You're not interested in a conversation, just the back and forth.

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Well, in Gas' defense he's pretty clear on the fact that he likes to argue.[/QUOTE]
Well, that makes his intentionally misleading arguments ok then![/QUOTE]

Okay, I think I took a wrong turn somewhere...

Amazing how many of those links come from mediamatters, an avowed left-wing site that Hillary Clinton brags about starting. They're notorious for constantly misrepresenting right wingers.

And the fishing thing was clearly meant to be a laugh.

GasBandit said:

Amazing how many of those links come from mediamatters, an avowed left-wing site that Hillary Clinton brags about starting. They're notorious for constantly misrepresenting right wingers.

And the fishing thing was clearly meant to be a laugh.

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I'll agree with you there.

Which is why I specifically chose articles with audio links that I couldn't see any way they could be acceptable even in context (comparing Nancy Pelosi to terrorists who use children as suicide bombers), or provided enough context before and after the headline quote (the Census caller, death panels).

Media Matters is pretty far left wing in their articles, but in their video and audio samples they usually provide enough context for the person browsing the site to draw their own conclusions.

I thought most of media matters was unedited exact quotes, soundbites, and video of people saying terrible things.

The Lovely Boner;357065][QUOTE=WolfOfOdin said:

Prop 8 passed due to the Moral Majority marshaling every ounce of their resources, Scythe. One of many things about the far right which deeply disturbs me.

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also because African-Americans just really really hate homosexuals[/QUOTE]

I think my sarcasm meter is broken again. Because that is one of the most racist things I've read here.

The Lovely Boner said:

I thought most of media matters was unedited exact quotes, soundbites, and video of people saying terrible things.

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They do a good deal of article writing and blogging. The parts you mentioned are the main attraction of the site though, and are usually right on the ball.

By their own admission their blogs can have some spin in them, but considering that their approach to posting audio and video clips is "post unedited and let viewer decide" I consider it a good deal better than Fox News's "We report, you decide (after our own long rants about how what we just reported on is destroying America)".

Gas, defending Limbaugh kinda takes the veneer off you too much...

I think my sarcasm meter is broken again. Because that is one of the most racist things I've read here.

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Seeing how the black vote is what made Prop 8 pass it's not exactly a false statement.

The Lovely Boner said:

I thought most of media matters was unedited exact quotes, soundbites, and video of people saying terrible things.

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So are most Rush Limbaugh schticks. He's got tons of what he calls "sound bytes" that he plays constantly throughout his show.

Limbaugh would make a good Libertarian, if he would only quit being a hypocrite about drugs.

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Limbaugh would make a good Libertarian, if he would only quit being a hypocrite about drugs.

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He's also got a few other social-conservative viewpoints that wouldn't fly with the libertarians... IE, Gay Marriage and Abortion.

It has a direct SOUNDBITE. You're diverting away from the issue, Gas. Pretty weak sauce.

If real news organizations paid attention to Limbaugh, I'd have linked to it. I hate giving you any reason, no matter how trivial, to act like the information isn't valid (even if it is a direct recording).

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Gas, defending Limbaugh kinda takes the veneer off you too much...

I think my sarcasm meter is broken again. Because that is one of the most racist things I've read here.

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Seeing how the black vote is what made Prop 8 pass it's not exactly a false statement.

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To be fair to black voters in California, this was partially because organizations against prop 8 did not market to black voters as strongly as they should have.

Even then, the rates of African American voters that were in favor of Prop 8 were only slightly higher than average, at 57% (cool link about the African-American vote on gay marriage here, not just limited to Prop 8).

@Li3n said:

Gas, defending Limbaugh kinda takes the veneer off you too much...

I think my sarcasm meter is broken again. Because that is one of the most racist things I've read here.

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Seeing how the black vote is what made Prop 8 pass it's not exactly a false statement.

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So only the the blacks voted it down? I thought the Catholics and Mormons were to blame... Or it is the majority of Californians in general did not agree.

That was a stupid broad statement. It obviously wasn't only african-americans, but they did go against Prop 8 more than average and are more religious than average.

The Lovely Boner said:

That was a stupid broad statement. It obviously wasn't only african-americans, but they did go against Prop 8 more than average and are more religious than average.

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Hell be proud that nearly half the population voted in favor of the rights for 10% of the population. There will be a next time. You can not blame 7% of the population for the defeat.

Proud? Fuck that, be proud when 100% of the population is willing to accept basic human rights for everyone. That "more than half" that voted against is more than enough to destroy any pride anyone could have. It was a bullshit law that should have not been voted in anywhere. It really pissed me off, specially since California is supposed to be the place where people are an example of progress for the rest of the country, and eventually lots of parts in the world.

Mexico City is now officially more pro-gay than the entire state of California. Let that one sink in.

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Proud? Fuck that, be proud when 100% of the population is willing to accept basic human rights for everyone. That "more than half" that voted against is more than enough to destroy any pride anyone could have. It was a bullshit law that should have not been voted in anywhere. It really pissed me off, specially since California is supposed to be the place where people are an example of progress for the rest of the country, and eventually lots of parts in the world.

Mexico City is now officially more pro-gay than the entire state of California. Let that one sink in.

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You made the mistake of thinking that our urban areas reflect the entire state. Few people realize that we have one of the largest, most conservative rural areas in the country. The Central Valley in California is indistinguishable from the Bible Belt at times. They came out in force and voted in favor of Prop 8. Not only that, but San Diego and Orange County have long been bastions for conservatives. It's not THAT surprising to people who are familiar with all of California's different regions.

A Troll;357135][QUOTE=Calleja said:

Proud? Fuck that, be proud when 100% of the population is willing to accept basic human rights for everyone. That "more than half" that voted against is more than enough to destroy any pride anyone could have. It was a bullshit law that should have not been voted in anywhere. It really pissed me off, specially since California is supposed to be the place where people are an example of progress for the rest of the country, and eventually lots of parts in the world.

Mexico City is now officially more pro-gay than the entire state of California. Let that one sink in.

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You made the mistake of thinking that our urban areas reflect the entire state. Few people realize that we have one of the largest, most conservative rural areas in the country. The Central Valley in California is indistinguishable from the Bible Belt at times. They came out in force and voted in favor of Prop 8. Not only that, but San Diego and Orange County have long been bastions for conservatives. It's not THAT surprising to people who are familiar with all of California's different regions.[/QUOTE]

Beaten, but yeah California cities can be very different from the rest of the state.

I look at it as "glass half full." It has not even been 40 years since homosexuality stopped being considered a mental disorder. There have been huge strides in gay rights. Singling out small groups of people that you don't agree with is the EXACT same thing that the anti-gay groups are doing.

40 years is not "a little" in modern times... between the Wright Brothers flying for the first time and man being ON THE MOON there were less than 60. Don't give me that. People have now access to enough information to stop having the prejudices of generations past, "it's been only 40 years" is no excuse.

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40 years is not "a little" in modern times... between the Wright Brothers flying for the first time and man being ON THE MOON there were less than 60. Don't give me that. People have now access to enough information to stop having the prejudices of generations past, "it's been only 40 years" is no excuse.

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It hasn't been that long since homosexuality was a capital crime, much less a mere mental disorder. You ever hear of the Pear of Anguish?

hmm. When did arguing about the news become the news?

Crone said:

hmm. When did arguing about the news become the news?

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When people who should be reporting the news are spreading blatant falsehoods.

IT'S NO EXCUSE I SAID!

Wait, wait wait wait.

So linking to facts on a hard right wing site is okay, because it's just facts, but doing the same to a left wing site is unacceptable?

fade said:

Wait, wait wait wait.

So linking to facts on a hard right wing site is okay, because it's just facts, but doing the same to a left wing site is unacceptable?

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Yeah. Arguing with Gas requires everyone else to play by different rules than he does. It's where the challenge lies. It certainly isn't in his debate skills.

Krisken;357233][QUOTE=fade said:

Wait, wait wait wait.

So linking to facts on a hard right wing site is okay, because it's just facts, but doing the same to a left wing site is unacceptable?

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Yeah. Arguing with Gas requires everyone else to play by different rules than he does. It's where the challenge lies. It certainly isn't in his debate skills.[/QUOTE]

GB has said that silence is conceding his point. Could not be further from the truth. Silence is not acquiescence. Contrary to what you may have heard, silence of those present is not necessarily consent, even the reluctant variety. They simply may sit in stunned silence and figure ways of sabotaging the plan after they regain their composure.

I often wonder if Gas is aware that, while he's a pretty intelligent guy, he comes across as a frothing fanatic at times in order to make his point seem more 'valid' than others.

WolfOfOdin said:

I often wonder if Gas is aware that, while he's a pretty intelligent guy, he comes across as a frothing fanatic at times in order to make his point seem more 'valid' than others.

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Not only is he aware, but he counts on it to keep us from trashing his pet issues.

The Lovely Boner said:

That was a stupid broad statement. It obviously wasn't only african-americans, but they did go against Prop 8 more than average and are more religious than average.

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DEM NAGGERS STOLE THE ***S JEEEERRRRBBBBBSSSSSS

Chazwozel;357315][QUOTE=The Lovely Boner said:

That was a stupid broad statement. It obviously wasn't only african-americans, but they did go against Prop 8 more than average and are more religious than average.

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DEM NAGGERS STOLE THE ***S JEEEERRRRBBBBBSSSSSS[/QUOTE]

i am just a tool, but man, I am in awe of your prowess at saying witty, on the spot, poignant things, Chazo. Science bless your scraggly cheeks.

wow, no "Barack the Magic Negro." I'm proud of you guys.

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And the fishing thing was clearly meant to be a laugh.

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Kind of like Jon Stewart?

A Troll said:

People, you've got it all wrong. Olbermann is not the liberal version of Beck. He's the liberal version of O'Reilly. Bill Maher is the liberal version of Glenn Beck. It goes like this:

Glenn Beck - Bill Maher
Bill O'Reilly - Keith Olbermann
Rush Limbaugh - Rachel Maddow
Ann Coulter - Rosie O'Donnell

They're all just two sides of a coin.

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My God...That's perfect

Man, I haven't seen anything Bill Maher's done in like 10 years. He didn't seem Glenn Beckish that much at all back then when all he did was have discussions with 4 people (usually 2 from each side) on that show he used to do...I can't remember the name. Has he gone that wild since then?

I don't think anyone can match Glen Beck for theatrics...

There must be two, for every apprentice, there is a Master:


different demographic of course