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I'm sorry Shawna. You have my sympathies and my sincerest hope that better things will come your way. Dave's advice is solid.
 
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darkangel6988

I'm sorry Shawna. You have my sympathies and my sincerest hope that better things will come your way. Dave's advice is solid.
Thanks Jay I appreciate it very much .

I feel better today although I was woken up rather early by my mother. One day at a time, one tiny step at a time. Talking with him helped me a little bit. I don't have my mind racing anymore. I'm still in a lot of pain but now that my head has stopped racing I feel a lil better. Thanks to everyone for being supportive. Talking here has really helped get me through the past few days. Your all very awesome people.
 
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Jonzac

Well. I don't know what service he's in. As a Air Force Squadron Commander, I can tell you I had this happen to several of the enlisted folks in my sqaudron.

Sounds like he went overseas for 4 months and came back a different person, which can happen...but as a commander leads me to believe that something happened over there that shouldn't have.

Remember this is Air Force specific titles, but all Services have the same functions.

1. Contact the JAG. You will have a limited time to get on base before the divorce and you won't be able to afterwards. They can explain all of that
2. Contact the bases Family Readiness Center. They have seen this before and will have options for you to pursue.
3. Contact his squadron's First Sergeant. Two reasons. 1) The First Sergeant has all the contacts needed to help you get to the functions on base that can help you (like how long your insurance will last for example) 2) If he deployed and then came back and immediately did this...the commander NEEDS TO KNOW. My guess is he hasn't told his chain of command and rapid life changes like this are a sign of other issues that the commander needs to know...you might even eventually find out the WHY..if you care anymore.
4. I'm not sure of your US citizen status or how that would be affected..or your VISA status or anything like that.

Last but not least (especially if your soon to be ex is in the Air Force) if there is anything I can do on that front. Please don't hestitate to ask.
 
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Well. I don't know what service he's in. As a Air Force Squadron Commander, I can tell you I had this happen to several of the enlisted folks in my sqaudron.

Sounds like he went overseas for 4 months and came back a different person, which can happen...but as a commander leads me to believe that something happened over there that shouldn't have.

Remember this is Air Force specific titles, but all Services have the same functions.

1. Contact the JAG. You will have a limited time to get on base before the divorce and you won't be able to afterwards. They can explain all of that
2. Contact the bases Family Readiness Center. They have seen this before and will have options for you to pursue.
3. Contact his squadron's First Sergeant. Two reasons. 1) The First Sergeant has all the contacts needed to help you get to the functions on base that can help you (like how long your insurance will last for example) 2) If he deployed and then came back and immediately did this...the commander NEEDS TO KNOW. My guess is he hasn't told his chain of command and rapid life changes like this are a sign of other issues that the commander needs to know...you might even eventually find out the WHY..if you care anymore.
4. I'm not sure of your US citizen status or how that would be affected..or your VISA status or anything like that.

Last but not least (especially if your soon to be ex is in the Air Force) if there is anything I can do on that front. Please don't hestitate to ask.
Thank you for all the advice. And he's army. I'll go thru your list later on. But thanks again :)
 
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darkangel6988

Good Morning Everyone,

Ok so I wanted to update yall....

I've had about 4 days to sit and think about this , I've been through every emotion imaginable. And I've even had him stoop as low to make me believe he may be making a mistake. After our phone conversation yesterday he is still trying to toy with my head. He's becoming very childish and all about himself and throwing tons of blame on me for things that are so miniscule it's ridiculous ! so I'm officially MAD !

He hasn't filed yet but won't file in New York I believe this is because it's easier to get a divorce in Texas which would mean quicker its over with quicker he doesn't have to pay me. When I asked if he could file in New York where I'm closer to the state he threw a fit of panick asking why as if I was I was implying I had checked divorce laws so I'm now beginning to see that he doesn't think I'm gonna do this the easy way. Sadly I need his money for atleast the next 6 months to a year to be able to reestablish and rebuild my life. He keeps saying he doesn't want this dirty but I know he's planning behind my back I feel it in my gut.

I need some resources here . I don't know where to go or what to do. I will join the forums suggested to me by people here. I will ask around all weekend I will live on this computer until I find out something. If someone here knows how a military divorce works in the state of Texas or New York or if I can do it in Quebec Canada...let me know if you have yahoo or aim messenger so that that way I can talk to you and figure out if its' in my best interest to file first and get some advice from someone who knows something.

If he can't be good to me which obviously he can't Then I aint about to lay down and let him run me over and leave me nothing. We have a shit load of household goods....I am not about to lose them all along with not being paid and lose the car to top it off. I'm officially over the WHY ME part and the self pity and I'm ready to get this shit rolling so if anyone can offer help I'd appreciate it.

I know he withdrew 300$ from the bank and is still using his debit card for purchases which leaves me thinking thats for the divorce. Doesn't seem like enough money for one but at this point i don't trust him at all and shouldn't have to to begin with but due to shock it was hard to comprehend him not having my back . My fear is I don't have enough money to do anything... considering i have none but what he left me to go off of......I'm afraid if I file first I'm going to lose what money he did give me and I need to hang on to it tightly to start my new life.

Any advice would be great . Not that the advice already given wasn't great I'm just in a better state to listen now.
 
I think going back to Dave's posts would be a good start, because he had some good advice about lawyering up, which you need to do ASAP.

I'm finding this thread late. I'm sorry this happened to you, DA. It is good seeing that you've been able to step back from the situation now and see the big picture, that you have to defend yourself here. That shows a lot of strength.

"Love you, but no longer in love with you" is a load of idiocy. Even if the person means it. No one is going to be "in love" with someone they're with constantly on and on. A person cannot keep that intensity going 24/7, you would run yourself ragged. There are months-long periods of "in love" and then you drop out of it for a little while. Eventually, you are pulled back in. Sometimes both people feel in love at the same time, sometimes it's one and not the other, flip-flopping. But the excuse of "no longer in love with you" as a break-up is stupid as hell. I have to wonder if he understands what a marriage is.
 
Talk to your lawyer! Let them know what he's doing, what he's trying to do, etc. They will tell you what you need to know and how to proceed.

I feel that it is unreasonable for him to file in Texas when you are in New York. He is going to file and expects you to fly down there when you have no income? Sounds like he's trying to force a summary judgment in his favor by making it difficult for you to show up. If he "doesn't want this dirty" then why not file in New York right away? Because he wants to get the most out of it while paying you the least. Don't hold out hope for him to give you money out of the goodness of his heart, don't expect him to willingly pay a dime, force him to. Talk to your lawyers as soon as you can. I'd say call them today, leave them a message so they can call you back. He's probably already gotten lawyers and may be following their advice on how to handle this to his best advantage. Do the same.
 
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Chibibar

Different state has different law in terms of alimony. I think there is a cap in certain states (some are higher/lower than others) If he is panicking, then he is planning something. Try to get a lawyer and really talk about this. You will need legal council at this point. I am no lawyer, but I do know that each state does have their laws in terms of alimony (a friend of mine is being clean dry cause she makes more than he, but she divorce in New Mexico and got like 40% of his income even when he show the court in Texas that he barely has enough to survive, but no luck. He is almost done paying her off now)

I know you don't want to "screw" your soon to be ex-husband, but he is obligated to help you and I feel (gut feeling) that he is trying to weasel out of paying at least long term.
 
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Wasabi Poptart

First, Do you have your military dependent's ID card? If not, you need to make sure you are enrolled in DEERS (Defense Enrollment Eligibility Reporting System) and that he has added you to his "page 2". If you are not enrolled in DEERS, then the military does not recognize you as his spouse. Any benefits you are entitled to, like access to services on base (JAG for one) and Tricare health insurance, you will not be able to use or have access to. Even though you are separated, you are still entitled to those benefits until your divorce is finalized. After the divorce is final, you will no longer be able to use them. One way to make sure you are enrolled in DEERS is to contact his command. There is also a number you can call to talk with a DEERS representative: 1-800-538-9552. If you are not enrolled in DEERS, I'm not exactly sure what you can do since then you wouldn't even have an ID card to get on a base. This might be where it's a good idea to talk with @Jonzac: since he may be able to give you more information.
 
Since I'm assuming you are definitely enrolled in DEERS I'm just hoping you didn't give him your ID card. After that, the advice I gave you before is still applicable. Get yourself down to the nearest base and consult the legal office. As for money, you are still married and therefore still entitled to utilize anything in the joint bank account you guys hold. My recommendation of course is to just be reasonable with your expenses though so it can't come back to haunt you. When two people say they are divorcing it does not say that one of them can not use the bank account. That isn't done until the divorce proceedings.
Definitely do not let him file in Texas as you will have to make an appearance. If you do not you'll have to have a lawyer make one for you. Either way, that's a huge amount of cash to be spending. If I'm not mistaken, the state you are required to file in is the state of your current residency. You will need to look that up though. But if you can file in New York, do it.

And as I told you before, it is always best to file first. Being the first to file means you present your case right away. The person filing will from now on be called the petitioner. The respondent (individual who is obviously responding to the petitioners filing) is only allowed to get their say in at this point in time. Then the petitioner gets to file more paperwork to either refute, explain further, or just provide more info before a hearing is had. The respondent does not get another chance until the actual hearing. Then at the hearing it goes the same way. Petitioner first to make the case before the judge, respondent replies, petitioner gets another chance and then the judge makes decision. The respondent gets the short end of the stick in that matter, so it's best to file first. At least, that's the way it is in WA and I'm assuming it's pretty standard in that regard across the board.
 
I'm very late to this one, and you've gotten superb advice from others, so all I can say is that I'm so sorry circumstances have come to where they are, and hopefully they can still work out as best as they can.

I think it's pretty clear that we're all here rooting for you!
 
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darkangel6988

Well I wish I could come on here and say this situation has got better but it hasn't It's tripled in it's horrendousness and I'm officially going to need years of cancelling for trust issues and anger management for the rage that is pumping through my body.

I can't say much but I'll sum it up real quick........I fear thsi post can be found.......So I'll word this carefully.

Went in his email found sent emails of pics of himself to another woman her profile states shes in the same town hes in at this very moment. Her status says can't wait to be in your arms again. I sign up online get on our joint cell phone account and print out 30 pages of textings to 2 different females. To top it off I called every number on the damn page and 15 of them were escort services. Oh yes if I thought my heart ached before It will eventually hurt 50 times more .

I'm so pumped with anger and adrenaline I haven't even processed that bit of information. He found out I knew we spoke and he admitted it then imediately cut off my phone.

I won't say which pieces of advice I'm taking in here not many yet trying desperately to move my ass but I haven't got help yet. Luckily today is monday so it should be easier to get something going.

I am aware this isn't enough for adultery in the military.......But At this point I'm thinking abandonment and mental cruelty would work wonders. Oh and have i mentionned that my anxiety is now officially thru the roof.

All i have to say is GAME ON MOTHER FUCKER !
 
Shit... :(
Try to be calm, take the necessary measures, and if it helps think that the situation hasn't really changed from 2 days ago, but now you don't have any uncertainty about what happened. He's an ass :mad:
 

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Damn.

Just remember to act on logic, and know that every action has a consequence. The worst thing you can do in this situation is do something that will end up putting you in a worse position than where you are now.

On that note, I'd take this new information to a lawyer ASAP, and also make sure that whatever information you use in court wasn't obtained illegally (for instance, don't use the e-mails as evidence unless you can prove you accessed it legally). I'm not sure if I'm talking out of my ass on that point, but I believe that what I said is factual.

WHERE IS YOUR LAWYER?!? GET ONE! :)

STOP READING NOW. GET A LAWYER ON THIS ASAP.
 
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darkangel6988

Damn.

Just remember to act on logic, and know that every action has a consequence. The worst thing you can do in this situation is do something that will end up putting you in a worse position than where you are now.

On that note, I'd take this new information to a lawyer ASAP, and also make sure that whatever information you use in court wasn't obtained illegally (for instance, don't use the e-mails as evidence unless you can prove you accessed it legally). I'm not sure if I'm talking out of my ass on that point, but I believe that what I said is factual.

WHERE IS YOUR LAWYER?!? GET ONE! :)

STOP READING NOW. GET A LAWYER ON THIS ASAP.

Oh no worries I may be mother fucking mad but I aint a fool. I'm cool and calm and collected ! I know exactly what I've done and haven't obtained anything illegally. We share an email account. Both our names are on the email that i went thru. Also phone records my phone was connected to that as well I could go thru my own phone records as it was a family joint account. So no worries I won't do anything to fuck my situation. I will remain calm and sit here patiently now and wait for 8 and 9 am when things open. Then It's game on........Once again as mad as I'm coming off in this email please rest assured I'm a very very smart girl when it comes to staying calm and advancing myself when needed. I'm going to do everything 100% by the book to cover my ass because hes stepping in shit left and right and spending thru our bank like he's having a party.

I am not touching the bank , I am being responsible. I am not out blowing money. But If he's gonna continue to blow it bank records will show he's off shopping and not just for himself and his daughter. I'm gonna get mine if it takes everything I have I'm going to come out on top in this situation no worries about that.
 
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Jonzac

I CAN guarantee you that if you have proof, you soon-to-be ex is looking at an Letter of Reprimand, minimum...probably an Art 15 and loss of stripe..if not just General Discharge. You don't have to catch him in the damn act of putting it in to be convicted of adultary.

You can screw him to the wall in the military because of this...downside...he may get kicked out and that would affect the amount of alimony you could get paid. If the gal in the pictures is also in the military, then it truely is GAME OVER for him...assuming his commander has at least one bone of INTEGRITY in his body...and even if he doesn't someone in the chain of command will.

Have your lawyer contact the JAG if you want to head down that road...your lawyer will give you better advice on that.

On a personnal note. I'm sorry this has happened, no one deserves this. As a guy, I say nail his ass to the wall. As a commander, I want him out of my military...I can't stand the lack of fucking integrity.
 
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darkangel6988

I CAN guarantee you that if you have proof, you soon-to-be ex is looking at an Letter of Reprimand, minimum...probably an Art 15 and loss of stripe..if not just General Discharge. You don't have to catch him in the damn act of putting it in to be convicted of adultary.

You can screw him to the wall in the military because of this...downside...he may get kicked out and that would affect the amount of alimony you could get paid. If the gal in the pictures is also in the military, then it truely is GAME OVER for him...assuming his commander has at least one bone of INTEGRITY in his body...and even if he doesn't someone in the chain of command will.

Have your lawyer contact the JAG if you want to head down that road...your lawyer will give you better advice on that.

On a personnal note. I'm sorry this has happened, no one deserves this. As a guy, I say nail his ass to the wall. As a commander, I want him out of my military...I can't stand the lack of fucking integrity.

See thats my only problem the pics are of himself that hes sending out to girls not of the girl. One girl though is from Dyess air force base her name is Jessica I got that much from the phone records.

I dont know if i have enough to adultery but I sure as hell have enough for mental cruelty . Hell I already had an anxiety disorder ....now i dont even wanna think how my mental state will be when i wake up and realize this really has happened to me and my life. Stupid asshole ! sorry just venting~
 
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Jonzac

Dyess, nice Air Force base with B-1 bombers. Was your soon-to-be ex in Al Udied, Qatar? You could probably put the screws to her as well, if she's military.

Definately talk to the lawyer before you do that, although I know he will be trying to seperate the divorce from the military as much as possible to ensure the adultary thing doesn't come up to the JAG or his commander.

The mental cruelty thing probably won't fly in a military court, but it might in a civilian court.

If there is anything else I can do, or your lawyer has questions...post'em here and we'll do our best to answer them.
 
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Chibibar

I am so sorry to hear the new info you got. I say stay in contact with the lawyer and work with him/her until this is resolve. Just in case he might be lurking ;) I wish you luck and nail that bastard to the wall.
 
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Wasabi Poptart

I am willing to bet he will say he let someone else use his phone and he had no idea what numbers were being called.
 
See? We told you it wasn't your fault. Now go and show him the errors of his way. Make him the posterboy for why you don't want to cheat on your spouse while away.

Also, I have been advocating patience in dealing with him, but that is over. And as far as the other woman (women) go, fuck 'em. If they didn't know, if he lied to them as well, it is their job to defend themselves at this point. Especially if they are also military. Do not contact them, etc., let your and their lawyers deal with that. But absolutely do not waste any more time in contacting your lawyers. He fucked you over, now it's your turn. Make it last.
 
Ya. Just going to pipe in from the experience department again. You definitely have enough to pursue adultery as far as the military is concern. And considering one of the girls is military herself, the nails are practically in the coffin so to speak.
 
Echoing everything that Jonzac said. He's pretty knowledgeable... for an officer. *wry grin, then runs*

In all seriousness, though, glad to see that you're not just gut-punched by this, you're fighting back. And it's great that you're not being vindictive with the bank accounts. Keep your phone records, e-mails, the whole shebang, then make a nice file folder to present to your lawyer.

And make copies of your copies. Seriously. You never know when one might get destroyed via an inadvertent coffee spill... not that I have any experience with this...
 
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Cobra Star

Yeah I'm about 100% sure when the line "I love you, I'm just not in love with you anymore" is used, it's because they moved on to someone else. Best of luck, and sounds like you're in an excellent position to see him fall apart. I envy you, my first ex fell apart (on her own) but my last one took me for all I was worth and is living pretty decently right now (I think) since I had nothing to "get her on" even though I knew she was going behind my back. Good luck.
 
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Element 117

So is it illegal to set your soon to be ex husband slightly on fire if done, say in international waters? Cause I have a plan for all but the last part....
 
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Chibibar

This'll teach him to fuck with someone with nerd friends!
Heh. It helps that we have a good mix of people here. We got artists, scientists, police officer, military vets, Air Force Colonel, computer geeks, and all kinds of skills and people who actually want to help each other and look out for each other :) I love this forum!
 
Wow, what a jerk. Everybody else has given you the best advice, so I'll just support what they're saying. Time for some payback.
 
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darkangel6988

Wow I swear MY head is about to explode.......No worries I"m hiding the pain and pushing it down for now don't have time for crying and self loathing....Nor do i have time to cry and Say am I that bad of a woman that this man is on a fucking FUCK FEST ! Ok im breathing.........

He calls me we talk about this situation after all I'm still playing that why baby how could you? In hopes he'll admit to physical contact. Not yet but now he's going out every night blowing 45 bucks at restaurants ...Sure he isn't alone and his daughter is at her mom's now I called to check. He's buying clothing from Ross probably for her.......anyhow point is he's shopping like a mad man...Saturday 350 $ Monday 180$ I got fed up and ordered my protein :)

That is something I order monthly so he can't say much....He tried to tell me yesterday I invaded his privacy when I went into his phone records......I said really when I hooked up the online account with the PHONE NUMBER YOU GAVE ME ON A DAMN FAMILY PLAN LOSER ! HELLLLLLLLLO I'm your wife that won't work . He then called ATT and asked them about it and they said it was so I said nervous much? Must be if your asking fucking att about it lol !. He tells me don't worry ill stop talking to them ill respect you I'm sorry I say ok thanks I appreciate it cuz id hate for us to not be friends later on when this is done LOL OMG ROFL ! well he then 5 minutes later sent the girl another picture of himself.

GOOD GRIEF !!!!!!!!!!! anyhow his ex wife asked me if all was ok I wouldn't tell her much but she told me her story when thye divorced and guess what yall? LOL he did the same thing to her!!!! she said you dont have to tell me the story now but I will tell you I'm in Abilene you just say one place he's gone to hang out at and I'll have everyone I know with their phones staking out these bars and when they see him with someone else they will snap a picture of it for you.

I just said ok but that would be pretty cool. She's pretty fed up of him doing this although I haven't confirmed it to her I just said another time another place and I'll tell you the whole story right now I have to focus and rebuild my life. BUT OMG DIRTY ASS MOFO.........Jag calling today at 930 am i'll let ya know how that goes.
 
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