Atheists the scum-dogs of the universe...apparently

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Bones

Bones

so I was told today, as a casual atheist/agnostic/I don't give a rat fuck about the existence of god there is science that needs doing, that I am bad person and need to see the light of god. oddly this was provoked over the fact I was ignoring one of those people who hand out the new testament on campus. just the fact he stuffed a bible or w/e in my hands and I proceeded to stuff it down his pants because I didn't want it and I didn't feel like finding a trashcan to dispose of it in.

so I guess score one for people who are sick of having others beliefs shoved down their throats?
 
Silver Jelly

Silver Jelly

I'm pretty sick of it too, even if I'm not an atheist. I wish people stopped telling me I'm an idiot for believeing in something, there's plenty of other stuff to call me an idiot for.

(I'm talking about you, though. Just to make it clear. I hate people who try to push their beliefs on me from both sides, but in my context, this usally means the option I ranted about)
 
Bones

Bones

I agree completely on both sides, I just hardly ever see atheists out in force trying to convert people, although I am sure they exist. I personally believe that you should believe what ever makes you happy. I choose to believe in nothing because it makes my life all that much easier to live. also its fun to watch people horrifying reactions when you mention shit like that in casual conversation. try it sometime just say something like "there is no god....there is only ZUUUUUUL!". people....shit...a...brick... in anycase I was just venting....
 
Dave

Dave

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Atheists also try and shove their beliefs down people's throats, but they use such things as online forums, comments to news stories and the occasional lawsuit against something they perceive as religious (i.e. In God We Trust, one nation Under God, etc.).

Neither side is without guilt.
 
Espy

Espy

HCGLNS;439729][QUOTE=Bones said:
he stuffed a bible or w/e in my hands and I proceeded to stuff it down his pants because I didn't want it and I didn't feel like finding a trashcan to dispose of it in.
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You assaulted someone for handing you a book?[/QUOTE]

Man, I had a guy give me a Harry Potter book and I made him eat that mothertrucker.

Give ME a book will you? HMPH!
 
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makare

I would rather have the quiet old guys on campus who peacefully hand out tiny bibles than those sandwich board wearing screeching nutjobs who condemn me to hell because Im a female in college.

I have gotten to the point where someones behavior and discourse almost means more to me than his actual belief.
 
David

David

Dave said:
Atheists also try and shove their beliefs down people's throats, but they use such things as online forums, comments to news stories and the occasional lawsuit against something they perceive as religious (i.e. In God We Trust, one nation Under God, etc.).

Neither side is without guilt.
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That's actually something I've been thinking about recently. How is it forcing beliefs down people's throats for me not to want to have to acknowledge the existence of what I believe is a false idol in order to pledge allegiance to the country? Nobody is making anyone say "one nation, without god" or "one nation, under the light of Islam guided by Allah." How is this any different? Why is it considered me forcing my beliefs down other people's throats for me to want to stop having other people's beliefs down my throat?
 
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Chazwozel

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Apparently the Pope thinks we are Nazis: The Pope, Nazis, and atheism | Bad Astronomy | Discover Magazine

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Bones said:
I agree completely on both sides, I just hardly ever see atheists out in force trying to convert people, although I am sure they exist. I personally believe that you should believe what ever makes you happy. I choose to believe in nothing because it makes my life all that much easier to live. also its fun to watch people horrifying reactions when you mention shit like that in casual conversation. try it sometime just say something like "there is no god....there is only ZUUUUUUL!". people....shit...a...brick... in anycase I was just venting....
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Yeah there are asshole atheists:

 
Krisken

Krisken

Man, i really miss the old pope. The Emperor is a jackass.

I don't mind people handing me things of that nature, but I do get upset when they start telling me I am a bad person for kindly refusing. There is no reason why I can respect a person's right to their beliefs and not get bent out of shape over them while they have to make a big scene over it. I always figure those people are a little too proud of their beliefs. Fucking sinners.
 
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Iaculus

Dave said:
Atheists also try and shove their beliefs down people's throats, but they use such things as online forums, comments to news stories and the occasional lawsuit against something they perceive as religious (i.e. In God We Trust, one nation Under God, etc.).

Neither side is without guilt.
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Weren't both of those examples shoehorned in where no religious message was previously, though? I mean, the 'one nation under God' thing in particular is a relic of McCarthyism. I can see why people might be upset about that.
 
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makare

Atheism as a political platform bewilders me. Even though i am an advocate of keeping religious references out of the courts and the political system, I am not comfortable backing people who are against it because it is a reference to God and God doesn't exist. I don't believe that. So if an atheist group wants to get rid of the ten commandments in a court building or Under God in the pledge I can't in good conscience support their platform. I just don't agree with their argument.
 
SpecialKO

SpecialKO

I am okay with the protesting of the 10 commandments on a courthouse thing simply because I think that our legal system is one of the places where we need to be as explicit as possible about the separation of church and state.

I think that a lot of the hoopla right now about "creeping sharia" is fear based on the pervasive belief in parts of the country that the US' legal foundation and authority is solely based on the Bible and that if some critical mass of Muslimness is achieved, Sharia will replace the 10 Commandements as that foundation.
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

SpecialKO said:
I am okay with the protesting of the 10 commandments on a courthouse thing simply because I think that our legal system is one of the places where we need to be as explicit as possible about the separation of church and state.

I think that a lot of the hoopla right now about "creeping sharia" is fear based on the pervasive belief in parts of the country that the US' legal foundation and authority is solely based on the Bible and that if some critical mass of Muslimness is achieved, Sharia will replace the 10 Commandements as that foundation.
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The funny part about this is that we ALREADY have Sharia and Jewish courts in this country. They merely rule over matter in their OWN RELIGIONS and don't supersede the secular laws of the country.
 
Espy

Espy

I'd take being handed a book over being harassed on every damn street corner by environmental nutjobs with clipboards who want my money and email address and then get all pissy when I won't talk to them.
 
Krisken

Krisken

Espy said:
I'd take being handed a book over being harassed on every damn street corner by environmental nutjobs with clipboards who want my money and email address and then get all pissy when I won't talk to them.
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Yeah, I'm going to have to say they are both self righteous dicks. Why is it ok for the guy with the book to give people a hard time but the environmentalist is a nutjob?
 
phil

phil

I'd rather have the hippy clip boarders than preacher bob ranting about homosexuals and calling all the girls whores for the way they dress!

But honestly just avoid walking through the middle of campus and if you do just switch to the other side of the walkway/street or whatever when you see them.
 
Krisken

Krisken

Espy said:
I don't recall ever saying I was ok with anyone giving anyone a hard time.
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I'm sorry, I assumed you were saying it was better for the man in the OP to hand out his book and give him a hard time than an environmentalist. It certainly appeared to be what you were implying with your post.
 
SpecialKO

SpecialKO

I do have to admit; at least the walking evangelists in my area don't ask me whether I can donate to their cause, and then insist that they're more than happy to take my credit card information if I don't have cash.
 
Espy

Espy

I was just saying literature/books being handed out are a-ok in my book. Assholes are not, no matter their cause.
 
sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

phil said:
I'd rather have the hippy clip boarders than preacher bob ranting about homosexuals and calling all the girls whores for the way they dress!

But honestly just avoid walking through the middle of campus and if you do just switch to the other side of the walkway/street or whatever when you see them.
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Just tell those people to look to Jesus and away from their hateful ways...

It always gets their goats.
 
Covar

Covar

phil said:
I'd rather have the hippy clip boarders than preacher bob ranting about homosexuals and calling all the girls whores for the way they dress!

But honestly just avoid walking through the middle of campus and if you do just switch to the other side of the walkway/street or whatever when you see them.
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I have to admit, I get more annoyed with the people who gather around them on my campus or worse the asshats who feel the need to argue/harass those morons. All they are doing is justifying their behavior. Just don't give them what they want, ignore them and they will move on to try and find other "sinners" to save.
 
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Chibibar

Dave said:
Atheists also try and shove their beliefs down people's throats, but they use such things as online forums, comments to news stories and the occasional lawsuit against something they perceive as religious (i.e. In God We Trust, one nation Under God, etc.).

Neither side is without guilt.
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Well. I think it is more of the government is "pushing religion" into the throat who don't believe in God.
I always thought it was interesting to "swear before God" or hand on the Bible before testifying.
There is an idea of separation of Church and State but that can never really happen (to an extent) because people will believe what they believe and will mention it on TV, but when government start banning stuff because "it is bad in God's eye" then the religious people are wrong not Atheist.
 
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fade

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I don't know Dave. If I had a running tally of which "side" got all up in my kool-aid the most, it would be the Fundies. The atheists run a far, far distant second in my own personal experience.

Also I'm not sure how to take "In God we Trust" as anything buy religious.
 
sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

Chibibar;439846][QUOTE=Dave said:
Atheists also try and shove their beliefs down people's throats, but they use such things as online forums, comments to news stories and the occasional lawsuit against something they perceive as religious (i.e. In God We Trust, one nation Under God, etc.).

Neither side is without guilt.
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Well. I think it is more of the government is "pushing religion" into the throat who don't believe in God.
I always thought it was interesting to "swear before God" or hand on the Bible before testifying.
There is an idea of separation of Church and State but that can never really happen (to an extent) because people will believe what they believe and will mention it on TV, but when government start banning stuff because "it is bad in God's eye" then the religious people are wrong not Atheist.[/QUOTE]

I think a lot of what is happening is the loosening of the term "Freedom of Religion" and "Separation of Church and State." It basically mean that you are free to believe in what faith you choose or to choose not, and that the State is not going to point you to a particular Church. It is not the State's job to act as though there is no God, just not to keep you from what you believe.
 
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Chibibar

sixpackshaker;439859][QUOTE=Chibibar;439846][QUOTE=Dave said:
Atheists also try and shove their beliefs down people's throats, but they use such things as online forums, comments to news stories and the occasional lawsuit against something they perceive as religious (i.e. In God We Trust, one nation Under God, etc.).

Neither side is without guilt.
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Well. I think it is more of the government is "pushing religion" into the throat who don't believe in God.
I always thought it was interesting to "swear before God" or hand on the Bible before testifying.
There is an idea of separation of Church and State but that can never really happen (to an extent) because people will believe what they believe and will mention it on TV, but when government start banning stuff because "it is bad in God's eye" then the religious people are wrong not Atheist.[/QUOTE]

I think a lot of what is happening is the loosening of the term "Freedom of Religion" and "Separation of Church and State." It basically mean that you are free to believe in what faith you choose or to choose not, and that the State is not going to point you to a particular Church. It is not the State's job to act as though there is no God, just not to keep you from what you believe.[/QUOTE]

While that is true, but there are occasion where government is putting God in places where it should be neutral.
 
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