[TV] The Walking Dead
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North_Ranger
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Or maybe they are more sluggish during day-time because they are soakin' up the sun? I mean, that might also explain why every zombie looks like hell. It's not rotting, it's advanced melanoma and/or tissue changing to better soak up sunlightPhotosynthesis would mean they would be more sluggish at night, wouldn't it? I think they established ghouls get more...lively...at night.
Maybe whatever is firing those synapses is all that they need to function. It doesn't need to be explained. We're talking about non-existant ghouls, mind you.Don't stop discussing it on my behalf, though. It's fun.
Or maybe they are inhaling cow farts, what the hell do I know?
But those brain cells couldn't function if they weren't, for example, receiving oxygen through blood, making the lungs and heart still lethal shots.[/QUOTE]
But we already know they don't need those organs: The head of the one eating the deer was still trying to bite things (or at least it's mouth was moving up and down) long after it was severed from it's body. It wasn't until the hick shot him in the head that he died. This seems to indicate that they get energy from some other means than eating flesh or breathing. Perhaps photosynthesis?[/QUOTE]
I really couldn't care less what the psuedo science explanation behind it is. Its zombies! They don't need an explanation.
13 episode second season has already been ordered.
Would have been nice if they had done something similar to the first season of 24 and ordered half a season then when the initial reviews came in ordered the second half and aired it a month or two after the first half.
Either way, really glad it's done so well ratings wise and can't wait for season 2.
Either way, really glad it's done so well ratings wise and can't wait for season 2.
Dave
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Also....
Only thing the finale didn't beat? The last episode of 'Sopranos".
'The Walking Dead' finale breaks ratings records – The Marquee Blog - CNN.com Blogs
Only thing the finale didn't beat? The last episode of 'Sopranos".
'The Walking Dead' finale breaks ratings records – The Marquee Blog - CNN.com Blogs
I thought episode 6 was really disappointing. It's like they weren't sure if they'd get a full season.... so they skipped right ahead to the finale of of a 22 episode season. I like it when TV structures itself so if it gets cancelled you're left with a complete story... but this was incredibly lame.
There were plenty of stories they could have told with the original Atlanta setting. Instead they just randomly left, introduced a whole new plot thread and then abandoned that plot thread. The worst part was that the "tense, dramatic music finale" had nothing to do with zombies, it just had to do with this random building we hadn't heard of before this episode.
If your ending was going to be "drive off into the sunset," they should have postponed the departure from Atlanta for an episode, come up with a zombie-related climax, and then ended with them departing for the CDC but making it far enough away that reaching it required another 6 episodes of road trip.
There were plenty of stories they could have told with the original Atlanta setting. Instead they just randomly left, introduced a whole new plot thread and then abandoned that plot thread. The worst part was that the "tense, dramatic music finale" had nothing to do with zombies, it just had to do with this random building we hadn't heard of before this episode.
If your ending was going to be "drive off into the sunset," they should have postponed the departure from Atlanta for an episode, come up with a zombie-related climax, and then ended with them departing for the CDC but making it far enough away that reaching it required another 6 episodes of road trip.
J
Joe Johnson
I agree with that to a certain extent. The CDC seemed like it was supposed to be a multi-episode arc, not just a one episode quickie.
The leaving Atlanta bit is straight out of the comics, though it made more sense in them: They weren't leaving to find a cure for Jim, they were leaving because they were attacked by the zombies and it was no longer safe to stay there. They ended up leaving to try and find a more secure location to call home, as far from the city as they could get, even if it meant it might be harder to get supplies.
Considering they are likely going to be having a few episodes of road trip before they get to the prison (assuming that's the plan for next season), they had some serious series fatigue if they had had it before going to the CDC. In all honesty, they should have just NOT done the CDC episode, considering it added virtually nothing to the plot.
I keep seeing complaints about not enough zombies. If that's all you want to see this is not the show for you. The zombies are merely a tool used to tell a human story. It was this way in the comics, and it will apparently be that way in the show. The real heart of the story is focusing on the people as they struggle to survive. Zombies are not the focus, and they shouldn't be.
Ehhhh, I don't know if it added nothing to the plot. We got some explanation into the workings of a zombie (which I don't think has been done before, but I could be wrong). And the doctor character turned out to be very nihilistic. It shows the kind of mental state that people in the world might be turning into. It also gave the people a temporary safe haven, even though it wound up being not so safe (as we've seen with the near-rape scene).
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Tress: This show would be so much better without the zombies.
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Tress: This show would be so much better without the zombies.
The CDC was actually a great idea by the writers and I will tell you why (especially to those who think it served no purpose): The CDC episode served to do one thing, and quite well: It took away any possible hope. They enter the second season with NO. HOPE. Nothing. It has, as they so aptly said, all gone away.
I think it was a brilliant way to show it.
I think it was a brilliant way to show it.
That's what I took from it too, Espy. You could see they were so close to the edge that several people actually gave up.
On top of that, even faced with the prospect of NO. HOPE., each of them still decided to move on and not just take the easy way out and die with the CDC (granted, one needed help to make that decision). They've made a choice to go on fighting this crazy, horrible world, for better or for worse.
I'm really going to miss this show until the second season starts up.
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I think it also helped make you feel that there really was not going to be much relief ever again. They found what was essentially a panacea; a locked down compound with food, wine, electricity. And then in one foul swoop, it was torn right out from under them. Them leaving the CDC actually felt like the end of every Incredible Hulk episode with David Banner standing on the side of the road - just pure unadulterated despair.
If Season 2 follows the same path as the comics, they will find a prison that will give them all of that as well. Once the clear it out first anyway.
If Season 2 follows the same path as the comics, they will find a prison that will give them all of that as well. Once the clear it out first anyway.
The prison was the source of a lot more angst as we witness Rick go slightly insane, Michonne's entry, the Governor's dual attacks, pregnancies, psychokillers, etc. They spent a lot of time there, both in comic time and in real world time (witness different seasons, planting a garden, etc)
Here's my breakdown of what I'm expecting in the following seasons.
Season 2 - They go the farm and the prison, meet the family and the convicts (I hope they can get Jorge Garcia to play Axel!), find out Lori is pregnant (perhaps she sleeps/is raped by Shane down the line to make that whole story even more fucked up) . Storyline will likely follow the comics pretty closely, except Michonne shows up sooner (this has already been confirmed). Season will end when Rick, Daryl, Glenn, and Michonne head for the Woodbury. Last scene will be them finding out that Merle is the Governor and him removing Rick's hand.
Season 3 - They'll try to escape, but Daryl will sell them out when they try to leave, alerting Merle to their escape. They get away, but lead the Governor to the prison. They'll probably drag this out a bit longer, with the prison coming under siege, but the events will likely be the same (leaving it blank for those who haven't read that far, do to super duper double spoilers. They'll leave the prison. Season will likely end with them meeting the Hunters.
Season 4 - Finishing up with the Hunters, finding of the Alexandria Safe-Zone Community. The storyline there hasn't been resolved in the comics, so who knows what will happen here.
Season 3 - They'll try to escape, but Daryl will sell them out when they try to leave, alerting Merle to their escape. They get away, but lead the Governor to the prison. They'll probably drag this out a bit longer, with the prison coming under siege, but the events will likely be the same (leaving it blank for those who haven't read that far, do to super duper double spoilers. They'll leave the prison. Season will likely end with them meeting the Hunters.
Season 4 - Finishing up with the Hunters, finding of the Alexandria Safe-Zone Community. The storyline there hasn't been resolved in the comics, so who knows what will happen here.
It has nothing to do with not enough zombies. It has to do with the climax of the season having nothing to do with zombies.
Also, I don't specifically think the CDC should have had all of season 2 building up to it. I think the CDC SHOULD have been the climax to season 1 IF season 1 had been a full length season. Six episodes of Road Trip with them going "don't worry, we'll get to the CDC and everything will work out" and then they finally get there and THEN there's no hope... that would have worked fine. But instead we got one episode of "hey guys wanna go to the CDC?" "Okay!" (*a few minutes pass in screentime*) "okay we're at the CDC! Wait, nevermind. Whatever."
So your real complaints are... 1)The last episode had "nothing to do with zombies" and 2)They got to the CDC to fast?
Well... It clearly had quite a lot to do with zombies, by saying it didn't all I can think is that maybe we watched different shows. They are the constant threat, the whole episode was about facing them or taking a way out not to mention giving us some understanding about there being no real hope of stopping them.
As to getting to the CDC to fast... I agree with you, it would have been nice to give them some more space but they had 6 episodes and they made them count. It's hardly a big enough deal to get upset about, at least to me, but hey... go nuts.
Well... It clearly had quite a lot to do with zombies, by saying it didn't all I can think is that maybe we watched different shows. They are the constant threat, the whole episode was about facing them or taking a way out not to mention giving us some understanding about there being no real hope of stopping them.
As to getting to the CDC to fast... I agree with you, it would have been nice to give them some more space but they had 6 episodes and they made them count. It's hardly a big enough deal to get upset about, at least to me, but hey... go nuts.
My issue is that the pacing was all wrong. The truly great thing about the first five episodes were how well they understood pacing. Giving us time to take in the desolation rather than throwing a bajillion zombie scares at us at once. Giving various other moments time to sink in. The climax of your season/half-season should be relevant to whatever the characters were doing for the rest of the season and the emotional connections they've built up, not a new plot you threw in at the last minute. Random nameless black woman deciding to die was utterly meaningless - I had no idea who she was yet or why I should care.
The CDC had been mentioned before, but it wasn't anything anyone especially cared about before episode 5. I haven't even read the comics and it still felt added in for no reason. If you only have six episodes, you should spend them telling one cohesive story with emotional arcs that build towards a particular conclusion. There were loads of other climaxes they could have done that would have worked nicely, with or without the same "and now they're heading off into the sunset without quite knowing what they're doing" ending.
The dramatic sad music playing towards the end didn't make me go "wow, what a sad, hopeless scene." It just made me laugh. They already had a world of zombies and zero food to supply them with hopelessness. Adding more didn't make it bleak, it just made it ridiculous.
The CDC had been mentioned before, but it wasn't anything anyone especially cared about before episode 5. I haven't even read the comics and it still felt added in for no reason. If you only have six episodes, you should spend them telling one cohesive story with emotional arcs that build towards a particular conclusion. There were loads of other climaxes they could have done that would have worked nicely, with or without the same "and now they're heading off into the sunset without quite knowing what they're doing" ending.
The dramatic sad music playing towards the end didn't make me go "wow, what a sad, hopeless scene." It just made me laugh. They already had a world of zombies and zero food to supply them with hopelessness. Adding more didn't make it bleak, it just made it ridiculous.
I don't think people will debate you on the fact the show ran too quickly. It definitely felted rushed and some people are absolutely useless or have no point other than being "a survivor" that will get eaten at some point. I hate it as well.
But they only ordered a 6 episode series and took a HUGE risk on a zombie drama. It paid off INCREDIBLY. Here's to them not sucking next season and take the negative feedback and make the show even more interesting.
No sense whining about spoiled milk. It's done.
I'd rather take that than another fucken Gossip Git or Vampire Fairies on the fucken tube.
But they only ordered a 6 episode series and took a HUGE risk on a zombie drama. It paid off INCREDIBLY. Here's to them not sucking next season and take the negative feedback and make the show even more interesting.
No sense whining about spoiled milk. It's done.
I'd rather take that than another fucken Gossip Git or Vampire Fairies on the fucken tube.
I hear your frustrations Raemon, everyone wishes they had more time but I can't agree that the CDC served no purpose as myself and others have already pointed out the rather obvious purpose it served. It's fine if we disagree though. While it was rushed I think it served the overall narratives arc quite well.
I'm not sure if this is a random shot at the masculinity of Vampire Diaries or if you know a lot about True Blood to hate it.[/QUOTE]
Everytime I see the Vampire Diaries or True Blood, I secretly worry that someone will make an Anita Blake series on HBO... or at least the first couple books of it anyway. You'd NEVER see Narcissus in Chains or later on TV.
I'm not sure if this is a random shot at the masculinity of Vampire Diaries or if you know a lot about True Blood to hate it.[/QUOTE]
You'd NEVER see Narcissus in Chains or later on TV.[/QUOTE]
I know nothing about this book, but True Blood is often hilariously over-the-top sexual and violent.
Let me put it this way: One of the plots of the books BEFORE Anita's powers became fueled be sex and everyone she knew started worshiping her as the strongest being on the planet (despite the fact she treats them all like shit) involves were-wolf on human bestiality and were-wolf on were-wolf on were-panther guro/vore/necrophilia (Google Guro and Vore if you want to know what they mean.)
Coincidentally, Narcissus in Chains is the book the author wrote immediately after her husband left her and she started fucking a guy half her age. In it, Anita Blake's were-wolf boyfriend starts acting like a douchebag and leaves her, but Anita meets a new guy who's so much better than he was anyway. You do the math.
Coincidentally, Narcissus in Chains is the book the author wrote immediately after her husband left her and she started fucking a guy half her age. In it, Anita Blake's were-wolf boyfriend starts acting like a douchebag and leaves her, but Anita meets a new guy who's so much better than he was anyway. You do the math.
That's pretty much how I feel about some of my favourite shows, like Dexter or Doctor Who. Even a bad episode is still a damn good piece 'o television.
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I'm betting they meet up with the Hispanic family again because I'm pretty sure they're supposed to be Allen, Donna, and the twins. Then they'll find Wilshire Estates. After that attack, they'll meet up with Herschel, Otis, Billy, Maggie, and the rest of the farm people. THEN they reach the prison.
They are definitely going to meet up with Michonne before the prison. Kirkman already confirmed this, as she was a fan favorite and he wanted to get her in sooner.
Also, since the new issue is out...
Uh oh... looks like the Safe Zone might be in trouble. The gunfire from the last issue drew out all those zombies in the surrounding neighborhoods. Looks like they have a Horde on their hands... and Andrea is stuck in the tower on the other side of town!
Seriously, why the fuck haven't these people gone into a tornado siren tower, set up a battery/generator, and set the thing to test every 7 days yet? You'd only have to wait out a group 7 days tops then, as the loud noise would pull them away from your location. Hell, you could stick the broadcaster in a truck or something, then just drive it away from the settlement, broadcast, then drive back.
Seriously, why the fuck haven't these people gone into a tornado siren tower, set up a battery/generator, and set the thing to test every 7 days yet? You'd only have to wait out a group 7 days tops then, as the loud noise would pull them away from your location. Hell, you could stick the broadcaster in a truck or something, then just drive it away from the settlement, broadcast, then drive back.
Been awhile, but things just got crazy in the Safe Zone.
Things are crazy. The walls have been breached, half the group is outside the walls, more than half the remaining folks are dead, and their is no end in sight. Things weren't even this bad when the prison was overrun.
Here's the Death count so far. Only counting the ones who matter. Anyone who isn't a named character is likely dead at this point.
-Morgan
-Sophia
-Ron (Sophia's Son)
-The Mayor
Oh, and Carl got shoot in the face when the Mayor did his suicide run. He's lost an eye and a good part of his face, but he's not dead... yet. Anyone wanna place bets on if he lives or dies?
Here's the Death count so far. Only counting the ones who matter. Anyone who isn't a named character is likely dead at this point.
-Morgan
-Sophia
-Ron (Sophia's Son)
-The Mayor
Oh, and Carl got shoot in the face when the Mayor did his suicide run. He's lost an eye and a good part of his face, but he's not dead... yet. Anyone wanna place bets on if he lives or dies?
That'll depend on whether he lives or dies. If he lives, then he'll be shot (possibly somewhere else). If he dies, then I dunno.
I gotta say though, I'm impressed they had the guts to show just how stupid that zombie gut thing is. It only works if your quiet and don't draw attention, but when you have a screaming child... the results aren't pretty. Really, it's one of those ideas that sounds brilliant and will work, but is entirely stupid in retrospect.
I gotta say though, I'm impressed they had the guts to show just how stupid that zombie gut thing is. It only works if your quiet and don't draw attention, but when you have a screaming child... the results aren't pretty. Really, it's one of those ideas that sounds brilliant and will work, but is entirely stupid in retrospect.